Current Events > Bully victim stabs his tormentors, killing one of them

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Paragon21XX posted...

The only guy that ever tried to torment me I gave a bloody nose in the middle of choir class (I didn't really get into trouble with the school either as they knew about his behavior issues and knew he had it coming).

I was also playfully teased in junior high by high school girls a few grades above me; it was unwanted, but I can't say I hated it either.

A lot of guys hate that, like this teacher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nZBsQAs6SE

Ammonitida posted...

According to this, the bullying by the victims only happened on the day of the stabbing. This was not a case of continuous bullying over a long period of time (at least from the victims).

http://abcnews.go.com/US/metal-detectors-brought-nyc-school-day-deadly-stabbing/story?id=50152210

Police said the suspect, Abel Cedeno, gave them a detailed statement in which he indicated the two stabbing victims only started bothering him on the day he allegedly stabbed each of them once in the chest.

Bob Boyce, chief of detectives for the New York Police Department, said Cedeno told investigators he had been verbally harassed by other students before the start of school "but not these two individuals."

When the time comes for his legal team to argue for leniency, that's not going to look good.

Ammonitida posted...

That's not what I read. According to my sources, the two victims were merely throwing pencils at him. In order for self-defense to be legally viable, you must present evidence that you had reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, and I'm afraid that being hit by pencil does not clear that threshold.

If the above is true, this was hardly self defense. Unless they were whipping those pencils at him and they were sharp as fuck. Seems like the kid just snapped due to an onslaught of bullying he was enduring from multiple sources.

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this is what happens when liberal america doesnt do anything about bullying in schools, theyd rather suspend or expell a victim if they fight back instead of just the attacker, theyd rather have people get beat up and hope that help comes just in time. and this is what happens when people cry for help and get nothing done in return, then when people defend themselves they say " oh god why did this happen? "

But I do agree with this. I hate zero tolerance policies that punish all parties involved in a fight. If one side is clearly standing up for himself against a bully, then they shouldn't be punished. However, I don't know if I'd extend that to assault with a deadly weapon.
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He's 18 and stabbed two kids so I doubt the legal system is gonna feel too bad about the bullying
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That_Happened posted...

Ammonitida posted...

According to this, the bullying by the victims only happened on the day of the stabbing. This was not a case of continuous bullying over a long period of time (at least from the victims).

http://abcnews.go.com/US/metal-detectors-brought-nyc-school-day-deadly-stabbing/story?id=50152210

Police said the suspect, Abel Cedeno, gave them a detailed statement in which he indicated the two stabbing victims only started bothering him on the day he allegedly stabbed each of them once in the chest.

Bob Boyce, chief of detectives for the New York Police Department, said Cedeno told investigators he had been verbally harassed by other students before the start of school "but not these two individuals."

When the time comes for his legal team to argue for leniency, that's not going to look good.

Ammonitida posted...

That's not what I read. According to my sources, the two victims were merely throwing pencils at him. In order for self-defense to be legally viable, you must present evidence that you had reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, and I'm afraid that being hit by pencil does not clear that threshold.

If the above is true, this was hardly self defense. Unless they were whipping those pencils at him and they were sharp as fuck. Seems like the kid just snapped due to an onslaught of bullying he was enduring from multiple sources.

Awesome posted...

this is what happens when liberal america doesnt do anything about bullying in schools, theyd rather suspend or expell a victim if they fight back instead of just the attacker, theyd rather have people get beat up and hope that help comes just in time. and this is what happens when people cry for help and get nothing done in return, then when people defend themselves they say " oh god why did this happen? "

But I do agree with this. I hate zero tolerance policies that punish all parties involved in a fight. If one side is clearly standing up for himself against a bully, then they shouldn't be punished. However, I don't know if I'd extend that to assault with a deadly weapon.

his lawyer can argue that the two kids could have just stood up and stabbed the kid with a pencil. his lawyer will have it easy, and the kid is on suicide watch currently so it wont be a problem. this will definitely get on nationwide news and spark a debate that should be the last one, " don't bully, because if you do you might end up dead " , because evil people dont care about what they are doing but they themselves dont like the possibility of getting hurt or killed.

human hypocrisy.
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his lawyer can argue that the two kids could have just stood up and stabbed the kid with a pencil.

I don't see that going very far, but honestly what do I know?
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thronedfire2 posted...

He's 18 and stabbed two kids so I doubt the legal system is gonna feel too bad about the bullying

hes a flamboyant and most likely gay hispanic male whos been called a fruitcake for years and has been getting physically assaulted. its more like the ny public school department is going to have a legal problem for inaction, and its been going on for years and many kids have committed suicide nationwide because the psycho adults in the school systems dont want victims to punch the attackers in the face.
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because the psycho adults in the school system dont want victims to punch the attackers in the face.

Which would have been a superior idea in every way than potentially premeditated murder.
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ITT: a shocking amount of people okay with a child being stabbed to death. Bunch of former bullying victims on a revenge fantasy?
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Wow he is cute.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Awesome posted...

because the psycho adults in the school system dont want victims to punch the attackers in the face.

Which would have been a superior idea in every way than potentially premeditated murder.

you do know one punch in the face can result in death right?

Hornezz posted...

ITT: a shocking amount of people okay with a child being stabbed to death. Bunch of former bullying victims on a revenge fantasy?

when you defend yourself from violence things happen, if the kid wasnt getting tormented he would be doing homework right now instead of being in a jail cell under suicide watch.
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Whats worse? The girl who got stabbed to death by her bully or this kid who stabbed his bully to death?
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mortimerjames posted...

Whats worse? The girl who got stabbed to death by her bully or this kid who stabbed his bully to death?

it just shows its a cruel world where bad people are being allowed to walk freely.
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The Bronx doesn't play. Well, NYC in general doesn't play. I know tons of people that have been pummeled or stabbed/shot for little shit all around the city but especially in the BX.

Not sure how the atmosphere is now, but 10 years ago these students would straight up fuck teachers up if they got in their way. Especially the Latin Kings in the BX.

He probably took the hood mentality and just decided to kill them. If you fuck someone up in NYC, you didn't only attack that person, you've attacked their whole crew, and they do come out for revenge all the time. Killing someone probably stopped further action.
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Awesome posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Awesome posted...

why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.

You can't murder people because someone called you derogatory names.

yeah because its okay when the person being bullied decides to kill themselves when they get no help from other people? in the real world you have to protect yourself, if people call you names it will escalate to violence by any side. hopefully this gets to be a national issue, and these savage bullies all over the world can think twice about bothering someone else.

its come down to this because a lot of humans are evil and like violence but when things get turned around they complain and cry.

In the real world, you still can't assault someone cause they called you a name.
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Awesome posted...

you do know one punch in the face can result in death right?

Which would be more of an accident than actual premeditated murder/stabbing with a knife.
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FF_Redux posted...

I ended my bullying in 5th grade with a rock.

It was a gang of older girls that bullied me for a long time, it escalated and one day they stole a very important paper from me and kept mocking me and stuff, they surrounded me and started throwing rocks at me. I threw one back, hit the leader on the head and she started to bleed a lot, blood was everywhere, she got like 20 stiches but was fine. I thought I killed her, I was so scared.

But no one bullied me after that.

Ctrl + f "blood was everywhere"

Topic: Success
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Can't believe people are actually defending this. Fuck the world today. Seriously.

Words should never be punishable by death.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

FF_Redux posted...

I ended my bullying in 5th grade with a rock.

It was a gang of older girls that bullied me for a long time, it escalated and one day they stole a very important paper from me and kept mocking me and stuff, they surrounded me and started throwing rocks at me. I threw one back, hit the leader on the head and she started to bleed a lot, blood was everywhere, she got like 20 stiches but was fine. I thought I killed her, I was so scared.

But no one bullied me after that.

I would never hit a girl.

Neither did he, lol
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mortimerjames posted...

Whats worse? The girl who got stabbed to death by her bully or this kid who stabbed his bully to death?

Of course the victim of a bully dying. How is this even a question?

I have no pity for bullies. Its 100% their own fault whatever happens next, if their victim fights back.
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This kid is going to jail and he's going to be there for a long time. Being bullied is an awful feelings and no one should go through it, but it's also wrong to stab someone.

He was looking for an excuse to use that knife and if they physically attacked him before getting stabbed, then I don't feel sorry for those kids.

Metal detectors will help, but it doesn't solve the bullying problem. What happens when a big bully punches another kid? Metal detectors won't solve that problem. Most schools turn a blind eye to bullying and pretend it doesn't exist. That's why we continue to hear about victims snapping and doing crazy things, like shooting or stabbing the bully.

Schools need to do a better job of discouraging bullying, not keep throwing money at it. That's how most local governments handle bullying, throw money at it, instead of actually tackling the problem.
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What's with all the murder apologists in this topic, you people are sick. Being picked on or even punched doesn't give a free pass to murder whoever is doing it with a deadly weapon.
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again, youd rather have this kid kill himself? he complained for years about bullying and nothing was done, so the kid decided it wont happen anymore and it wont. it shows how people dont realize what the real world is about.
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voldothegr8 posted...

What's with all the murder apologists in this topic, you people are sick. Being picked on or even punched doesn't give a free pass to murder whoever is doing it with a deadly weapon.

You can talk after you have been bullied for years 5 days per week for hours each day.
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Sami1000 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

What's with all the murder apologists in this topic, you people are sick. Being picked on or even punched doesn't give a free pass to murder whoever is doing it with a deadly weapon.

You can talk after you have been bullied for years 5 days per week for hours each day.

You also have to consider your mental health issues, though. People without those issues may not feel a need to actually murder their bullies. I think punching/fighting the bully is fine, but assault with a knife on someone who only started picking on you today? No way.
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end bullies 2k17
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That_Happened posted...

You also have to consider your mental health issues, though. People without those issues may not feel a need to actually murder their bullies. I think punching/fighting the bully is fine, but assault with a knife on someone who only started picking on you today? No way.

You would be shocked at how many normal people want to kill their bullies. Punching? lol. You'll just get a beat down in return.

I think most people can be pushed to the edged if they're bullied enough. And bullying isn't just verbal bullying, it's physical too. Being shoved to the floor, getting punched comes with bullying.
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Just want to say that when i was bullied at school the thought of something very drastic did occur but my more logical decision led me to stop going, get a GED instead and to be honest was a very good decision and can get all the things i wanted with said GED. I mean its a billion times better than reacting as such in this story.
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school's didn't do enough to prevent the tragedy.
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BillWardsPants posted...

I have no horse in this race.

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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Punching? lol. You'll just get a beat down in return.

Probably, but bullies generally aren't going to keep coming back to the kids that challenge them. They want something easy. Get a couple of good punches in and even if they end up winning the fight they probably won't come back for more.
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That_Happened posted...

Probably, but bullies generally aren't going to keep coming back to the kids that challenge them. They want something easy. Get a couple of good punches in and even if they end up winning the fight they probably won't come back for more.

It depends on the bully really. I've seen the type where they back down once you stand up to them. I've handled a few of those in my life. I've also seen some that are sociopaths, or in gangs. Standing up those types will only get you hurt badly.
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thronedfire2 posted...

He's 18 and stabbed two kids so I doubt the legal system is gonna feel too bad about the bullying

hes a flamboyant and most likely gay hispanic male whos been called a fruitcake for years and has been getting physically assaulted. its more like the ny public school department is going to have a legal problem for inaction, and its been going on for years and many kids have committed suicide nationwide because the psycho adults in the school systems dont want victims to punch the attackers in the face.

But letting him get off free is going to justify what he did and they won't let that happen
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More people need to fight back against bullies but the problem is when it is a gang of them, there is no fair fight ,and some don't care if you stand up to them as they are little sociopaths or psychos.
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BillWardsPants posted...

I have no horse in this race.

This

That_Happened posted...

You also have to consider your mental health issues, though. People without those issues may not feel a need to actually murder their bullies. I think punching/fighting the bully is fine, but assault with a knife on someone who only started picking on you today? No way.

Why do people keep saying that the bullying only started that day. The article says this

at a news conference on Wednesday afternoon Chief Boyce said it appeared the three students had been locked in a running dispute over the first weeks of the school year,

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i have no problem with people fighting back against bullies, murder is not ok and this kid should be charged for sure
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Kid's wrong, should go to prison for a long time, if not life.
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I'm not trying to be dramatic but I think I'm lucky I'm alive. People would go beyond bullying me like drowning me or choking me. My nervous system is set to anxious.
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tangentally related to topic, but the hospital where the kid was transferred to, St Barnabas, is where my dad did his residency.
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