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FLUFFYGERM 10/06/17 1:16:14 AM #51:	EverHeardOfIt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... tell me again how we need to "establish axioms" we need to agree on certain basic ethical statements before we can follow those statements to their conclusion why cant you just tell me which system of ethics you used to deem it unethical to use animals for food <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887902761] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverHeardOfIt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>tell me again how we need to "establish axioms"</quote> we need to agree on certain basic ethical statements before we can follow those statements to their conclusion</quote> why cant you just tell me which system of ethics you used to deem it unethical to use animals for food</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverHeardOfIt 10/06/17 1:28:41 AM #52:	FLUFFYGERM posted... EverHeardOfIt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... tell me again how we need to "establish axioms" we need to agree on certain basic ethical statements before we can follow those statements to their conclusion why cant you just tell me which system of ethics you used to deem it unethical to use animals for food because I haven't quantified my entire system of ethics, and ethics doesn't always have hard borders, it can be fuzzy. but there are certain things I hold true, for example human life has value for its consciousness, amoeba life does not (there are fuzzy cases in the middle) killing animals for no reason is wrong, killing them for survival is not wrong (there are fuzzy cases in the middle) Ethics is naturally fuzzy. what I tend to conclude with eating meat though is that is falls firmly on the not fuzzy side of the scale. First world meat consumption is generally solely for pleasure, this places it closer to the "no reason" side than the "survival" side. Cows and pigs are mammals, which puts them much more into the valuable side than the non-valuable. Do you value your tasting pleasure more than the life of high level mammals? that's a question you need to answer for yourself, but it can and should be informed by knowledge of high level non-primate mammal similarity to us <cite>EverHeardOfIt posted [p:887903259] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverHeardOfIt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>tell me again how we need to "establish axioms"</quote> we need to agree on certain basic ethical statements before we can follow those statements to their conclusion</quote> why cant you just tell me which system of ethics you used to deem it unethical to use animals for food</quote> because I haven't quantified my entire system of ethics, and ethics doesn't always have hard borders, it can be fuzzy. but there are certain things I hold true, for example human life has value for its consciousness, amoeba life does not (there are fuzzy cases in the middle) killing animals for no reason is wrong, killing them for survival is not wrong (there are fuzzy cases in the middle) Ethics is naturally fuzzy. what I tend to conclude with eating meat though is that is falls firmly on the not fuzzy side of the scale. First world meat consumption is generally solely for pleasure, this places it closer to the "no reason" side than the "survival" side. Cows and pigs are mammals, which puts them much more into the valuable side than the non-valuable. Do you value your tasting pleasure more than the life of high level mammals? that's a question you need to answer for yourself, but it can and should be informed by knowledge of high level non-primate mammal similarity to us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 10/06/17 6:11:10 PM #53:	FLUFFYGERM posted... well, most animals don't really comprehend what's going on. they're just motor functions. Lol, people still believe this. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:887942913] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>well, most animals don't really comprehend what's going on. they're just motor functions.</quote> Lol, people still believe this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 10/06/17 6:31:10 PM #54:	EverHeardOfIt posted... Do you value your tasting pleasure more than the life of high level mammals? The problem here is that you're never going to get this guy to even accept the notion that non-human animals even can suffer. He literally (like most people, particularly religious people, sadly) believes that animals are organic robots that don't even experience the world subjectively. Exactly as conscious as a Rube Goldberg machine. What these people fail to realize is that pain and misery is such a low-level mental process that you just don't need anywhere near human-level intelligence to experience it fully. And why would you? The purpose of those things is to avoid harmful situations. It's not a side effect of "higher consciousness". You wouldn't argue that a baby or a small child can't suffer pain or sadness like an adult can, would you? Yet a 2-year-old is only about as smart as a dog, so why can't a dog experience sadness or pain? It just reeks of special pleading and a mystical understanding of the human experience --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:887943897] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverHeardOfIt posted...</cite> <quote>Do you value your tasting pleasure more than the life of high level mammals?</quote> The problem here is that you're never going to get this guy to even accept the notion that non-human animals even can suffer. He literally (like most people, particularly religious people, sadly) believes that animals are organic robots that don't even experience the world subjectively. Exactly as conscious as a Rube Goldberg machine. What these people fail to realize is that pain and misery is such a low-level mental process that you just don't need anywhere near human-level intelligence to experience it fully. And why would you? The purpose of those things is to avoid harmful situations. It's not a side effect of "higher consciousness". You wouldn't argue that a baby or a small child can't suffer pain or sadness like an adult can, would you? Yet a 2-year-old is only about as smart as a dog, so why can't a dog experience sadness or pain? It just reeks of special pleading and a mystical understanding of the human experience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverHeardOfIt 10/07/17 1:29:15 AM #55:	Seriously tho why are you not vegan if falafel exists <cite>EverHeardOfIt posted [p:887963320] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote>Seriously tho why are you not vegan if falafel exists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 10/07/17 1:31:22 AM #56:	EverHeardOfIt posted... Seriously tho why are you not vegan if falafel exists Sigless user logic --- Drawn for me by Volkswagen_Bros, ShinobiNinjaX, Popcorn_Fairy and Nayr626. https://imgur.com/gallery/B4o8m It was all a dream, I used to read Word Up magazine <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:887963399] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverHeardOfIt posted...</cite> <quote>Seriously tho why are you not vegan if falafel exists</quote> Sigless user logic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 10/07/17 1:33:56 AM #57:	I'm about to order a burger with extra bacon rn --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:887963501] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote>I'm about to order a burger with extra bacon rn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverHeardOfIt 10/07/17 1:41:27 AM #58:	Turbam posted... I'm about to order a burger with extra bacon rn Don't do it what if I post lots of cow and pig emoji will you do it then they don't want to be eatenthey're very said you don't love them <cite>EverHeardOfIt posted [p:887963766] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Turbam posted...</cite> <quote>I'm about to order a burger with extra bacon rn</quote> Don't do it what if I post lots of cow and pig emoji will you do it then they don't want to be eatenthey're very said you don't love them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Volkswagen_Bros 10/07/17 1:43:16 AM #59:	Every time I read these topics, I get the cravings for a juicy, greasy cheeseburger with bacon and a fried egg on top. --- Look! my foot is on the rope! My FOOT is on the rope. If it weren't for that ref, I would've been champion! - Alexa Bliss <cite>Volkswagen_Bros posted [p:887963841] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote>Every time I read these topics, I get the cravings for a juicy, greasy cheeseburger with bacon and a fried egg on top.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverHeardOfIt 10/07/17 1:44:42 AM #60:	Volkswagen_Bros posted... Every time I read these topics, I get the cravings for a juicy, greasy cheeseburger with bacon and a fried egg on top. I won't deny they taste good but I feel like a lot of people say this as a psychological way of doubling down in the face of cognitive dissonance <cite>EverHeardOfIt posted [p:887963901] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Volkswagen_Bros posted...</cite> <quote>Every time I read these topics, I get the cravings for a juicy, greasy cheeseburger with bacon and a fried egg on top.</quote> I won't deny they taste good but I feel like a lot of people say this as a psychological way of doubling down in the face of cognitive dissonance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 10/07/17 1:49:00 AM #61:	EverHeardOfIt posted... Turbam posted... I'm about to order a burger with extra bacon rn Don't do it what if I post lots of cow and pig emoji will you do it then they don't want to be eatenthey're very said you don't love them --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:887964057] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverHeardOfIt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Turbam posted...</cite> <quote>I'm about to order a burger with extra bacon rn</quote> Don't do it what if I post lots of cow and pig emoji will you do it then they don't want to be eatenthey're very said you don't love them</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 10/07/17 7:32:36 AM #62:	EverHeardOfIt posted... Seriously tho why are you not vegan if falafel exists I'm not eating something that Bill O'Reilly rubbed on someone's vag --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:887971349] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverHeardOfIt posted...</cite> <quote>Seriously tho why are you not vegan if falafel exists</quote> I'm not eating something that Bill O'Reilly rubbed on someone's vag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InYourWalls1 10/07/17 12:15:26 PM #63:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... I'm not eating something that Bill O'Reilly rubbed on someone's vag Why did you need to remind me of that --- The fully enlightened earth radiates disaster triumphant <cite>InYourWalls1 posted [p:887980819] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not eating something that Bill O'Reilly rubbed on someone's vag</quote> Why did you need to remind me of that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverHeardOfIt 10/08/17 7:14:31 PM #64:	Chicks dig chickpeas <cite>EverHeardOfIt posted [p:888060173] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote>Chicks dig chickpeas</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 10/08/17 7:20:13 PM #65:	What's your favorite type of beans --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:888060516] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote>What's your favorite type of beans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverHeardOfIt 10/08/17 7:23:10 PM #66:	emblem boy posted... What's your favorite type of beans GAR-BAN-ZO <cite>EverHeardOfIt posted [p:888060653] in Another ve... [t:75844613]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>What's your favorite type of beans</quote> GAR-BAN-ZO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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