Current Events > Whats the difference in the Left and Liberals?

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Antifar posted...

The guy Democrats made their VP candidate does: https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/907362134652280833

RebelElite791 posted...

And last I checked I don't know any of those people. Was pretty clearly talking anecdotally and not about elected officials.

Stop being deliberately obtuse and go jerk off to Marx or something.
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RebelElite791 posted...

averagejoel posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

averagejoel posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue.

Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed.

One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you

wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option?

because... lol

Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah?

you clearly said "Clinton and Sanders" at the start of your post >_>

Yeah. And then I was clearly talking about the general election when I said that blind idealism refusing to vote for Clinton gets people killed with someone like Trump in office. And that one of Clinton or Trump was going to be elected, there was no other option.

But I voted for Clinton? I didn't like it, but I was under no illusions that she'd be worse than....THIS

RebelElite791 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html

?

Out of 46 Democratic Senators, his bill has 16 cosponsors. Those do not include the Senate Minority Leader: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/350298-schumer-noncommittal-on-sanderss-medicare-for-all-bill
Here's how the House minority leader views it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-single-payer-isnt-a-litmus-test-for-democrats/2017/09/12/51a50046-97c9-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html
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RebelElite791 posted...

Stop being deliberately obtuse and go jerk off to Marx or something.

I hope you understand why I'm far more concerned with those who have power than the liberals you personally know.
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

But I voted for Clinton? I didn't like it, but I was under no illusions that she'd be worse than....THIS

Then good job! You're not one of the idiots. Thanks for acting pragmatically for the best result.

Antifar posted...

Out of 46 Democratic Senators, his bill has 16 cosponsors. Those do not include the Senate Minority Leader: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/350298-schumer-noncommittal-on-sanderss-medicare-for-all-bill
Here's how the House minority leader views it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-single-payer-isnt-a-litmus-test-for-democrats/2017/09/12/51a50046-97c9-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html

RebelElite791 posted...

Was pretty clearly talking anecdotally and not about elected officials.

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RebelElite791 posted...

Yeah. And then I was clearly talking about the general election when I said that blind idealism refusing to vote for Clinton gets people killed with someone like Trump in office. And that one of Clinton or Trump was going to be elected, there was no other option.

then the Democrats should have considered that before running such a pathetic campaign
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Antifar posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Stop being deliberately obtuse and go jerk off to Marx or something.

I hope you understand why I'm far more concerned with those who have power than the liberals you personally know.

Sure. But I wasn't talking about them. "Liberals" is a far larger and more nebulous group than the relatively small amount of Democrats in office or making policy.
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averagejoel posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Yeah. And then I was clearly talking about the general election when I said that blind idealism refusing to vote for Clinton gets people killed with someone like Trump in office. And that one of Clinton or Trump was going to be elected, there was no other option.

then the Democrats should have considered that before running such a pathetic campaign

So basically "lol fuck you all then let's burn it down"

Really care for your fellow man don't you?
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the point is the liberals in power are more important in this context than the people you know

AlternativeFAQS posted...

the point is the liberals in power are more important in this context than the people you know

RebelElite791 posted...

"Liberals" is a far larger and more nebulous group than the relatively small amount of Democrats in office or making policy.

So saying "liberals" support private healthcare is just stupid.
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no because the one's who actually make policy clearly arent against it

RebelElite791 posted...

averagejoel posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Yeah. And then I was clearly talking about the general election when I said that blind idealism refusing to vote for Clinton gets people killed with someone like Trump in office. And that one of Clinton or Trump was going to be elected, there was no other option.

then the Democrats should have considered that before running such a pathetic campaign

So basically "lol fuck you all then let's burn it down"

Really care for your fellow man don't you?

I never said anything like that. don't pretend I did
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/
Nearly two-thirds of liberal Democrats (64%) now support a single-payer health insurance system, up 13 percentage points since January.

muh liberal centrist boogeymanz

And again, as in my earlier point, pretty much every other country with UHC/SP is a capitalist country, not a "leftist" socialist country.
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the difference is that liberals live in the real world
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RebelElite791 posted...

And again, as in my earlier point, pretty much every other country with UHC/SP is a capitalist country, not a "leftist" socialist country.

It was Labor parties, openly socialist parties that resulted in this, though. A country can have leftist policies without seizing the means of production.
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bevan306 posted...

the difference is that liberals live in the real world

Say those without the imagination to solve our country's problems.
A big part of WHY Trump won is that he was entirely correct when he said America isn't good for most people. The lower and middle classes, particularly inner cities and rural areas, have been left behind for decades.
Trump's solutions, of course, are odious and will/are making things worse, but Hillary Clinton never seemed to recognize how messed up the status quo is, in large part because she was one of the people who helped craft it.

bevan306 posted...

the difference is that liberals live in the real world

hmmmm
http://www.newsweek.com/madam-president-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-america-twitter-alternative-635624

hmmmmmmmm
https://extranewsfeed.com/the-case-for-making-hillary-clinton-president-and-not-mike-pence-after-trump-is-impeached-26052f0d280c

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/
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eh you could probably do better if you tried harder
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This is fairly useful as an answer to TC's question
https://medium.com/@ebruenig/understanding-liberals-versus-the-left-5cff7ea41fd8
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bevan306 posted...

eh you could probably do better if you tried harder

are you talking to me or to the democratic party
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The Admiral posted...

American Liberals who are tired of the constant embarrassment caused by lunacy on their side have started making this distinction. In the US, they're interchangeable.

It's usually the opposite. "Leftists" correct people for calling them "liberals".
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RebelElite791 posted...

Teenage communists have recently decided that they're "leftists" and liberals are all centrists, because they want to keep losing elections

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I consider liberals leftist, progressives more leftist.

in Europe liberal means more classical liberals/libertarianism.
in US liberals means more modern social liberalism.
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