Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 140: The Calm Before the Tweetstorm

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HashtagSEP
10/09/17 12:44:56 PM
#101:


Corrik posted...
What


It's simple.

McConnell promised us repealing Clean Water was going to bring back Kentucky jobs right away.

It won't.

Thus, he has other motives and lied to us about why he wanted it gone.
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LordoftheMorons
10/09/17 12:46:44 PM
#102:


Fuck Pruitt and fuck Trump
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Corrik
10/09/17 12:48:53 PM
#103:


HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
What


It's simple.

McConnell promised us repealing Clean Water was going to bring back Kentucky jobs right away.

It won't.

Thus, he has other motives and lied to us about why he wanted it gone.

If you say so.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 12:49:24 PM
#104:


It's just not fair to coal if all energy production has to operate under the oppressive standards of low emissions and less runoff waste
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Corrik
10/09/17 12:49:27 PM
#105:


Inviso posted...
But Corrik, I thought it was a bad thing for the EPA to pick winners and losers in how we generate electricity in this country. I don't see why we should be propping up coal since you're so against that practice.

Bad word choice. Not maiming coal anymore. That better?
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HashtagSEP
10/09/17 12:51:06 PM
#106:


Corrik posted...
If you say so.


So you admit that you don't really have any defense to the fact that coal workers are not actually their top priority when it comes to getting rid of these regulations.

Good to know.
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Corrik
10/09/17 12:53:01 PM
#107:


HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
If you say so.


So you admit that you don't really have any defense to the fact that coal workers are not actually their top priority when it comes to getting rid of these regulations.

Good to know.

I don't know what you are referring to
You are telling me hey sally sue said thus and this didnt happen so you should call sally sue a liar. Why aren't you calling her a liar!?!?!


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HashtagSEP
10/09/17 12:55:41 PM
#108:


You are now referring to Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader, as "Sally Sue"
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kevwaffles
10/09/17 12:57:14 PM
#109:


Apparently Corrik isn't just pro-transgender, he's anti-cisgender!
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Peace___Frog
10/09/17 12:57:35 PM
#110:


HashtagSEP posted...
You are now referring to Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader, as "Sally Sue"

If corrik did not hear him say it with his own ears, then it was not said.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 12:57:36 PM
#111:


SEP I get what you're getting at, but you did kind of lead the witness
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Inviso
10/09/17 12:57:49 PM
#112:


There's the walk back. Regardless of your word, this is a case of the EPA picking winners and losers regardless. It's just that under TRUMP, they're picking winners (the coal and oil industries) whose practices go against the very foundation of the agency.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 12:59:27 PM
#113:


I would guess that Corrik would probably abolish the EPA as a whole.

Just a guess though based on his priorities
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HashtagSEP
10/09/17 1:00:13 PM
#114:


Jakyl25 posted...
SEP I get what you're getting at, but you did kind of lead the witness


Howso?
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Corrik
10/09/17 1:00:52 PM
#115:


Jakyl25 posted...
I would guess that Corrik would probably abolish the EPA as a whole.

Just a guess though based on his priorities

Nah. It serves purposes. Just it has been overreaching and operating as a mafia for too long.
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lordloki12
10/09/17 1:02:30 PM
#116:


FYI the Clean Power Plan has not even gone into effect yet. So if you are blaming this for tougher contracts and lost jobs maybe you should be taking a closer look at your bosses.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 1:03:38 PM
#117:


HashtagSEP posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
SEP I get what you're getting at, but you did kind of lead the witness


Howso?


You led him down a tangential path about a statement he had never mentioned, demanding an answer or else his whole argument is moot.
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kevwaffles
10/09/17 1:04:54 PM
#118:


lordloki12 posted...
FYI the Clean Power Plan has not even gone into effect yet. So if you are blaming this for tougher contracts and lost jobs maybe you should be taking a closer look at your bosses.

Hold on, I can answer this one.

"They were afraid to hire because they would eventually go into effect."
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HashtagSEP
10/09/17 1:05:24 PM
#119:


Jakyl25 posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
SEP I get what you're getting at, but you did kind of lead the witness


Howso?


You led him down a tangential path about a statement he had never mentioned, demanding an answer or else his whole argument is moot.


I'm merely stating that they have been saying getting rid of these regulations was to help coal workers/bring jobs back for awhile, now, and it hasn't... So I'm trying to get at why he'd still so adamantly believe it, and why should we.
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Peace___Frog
10/09/17 1:07:57 PM
#120:


kevwaffles posted...
lordloki12 posted...
FYI the Clean Power Plan has not even gone into effect yet. So if you are blaming this for tougher contracts and lost jobs maybe you should be taking a closer look at your bosses.

Hold on, I can answer this one.

"They were afraid to hire because they would eventually go into effect."

Wow, you're good at that impersonation.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 1:09:55 PM
#121:


Right I get that, and it makes a point, but I just think it's more effective to nail him on his own points rather than bringing in outside sources
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Inviso
10/09/17 1:11:47 PM
#122:


My general problem with this whole line of argument (and we've seen it from Ulti as well) is that it says something along the lines of "Obama was just propping up green energy companies so they'd make more money" or "The EPA shouldn't be choosing who wins or loses, economically." And fine, those arguments are fine. Except they completely ignore that going the OTHER direction props up pollutant companies so they'd make more money, and that the EPA's decision to NOT regulate is in turn allowing them to choose who wins or loses as well. Again, the goal of the agency is ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, and they're choosing to regulate the companies that threaten our ENVIRONMENT.
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Corrik
10/09/17 1:15:26 PM
#123:


Inviso posted...
My general problem with this whole line of argument (and we've seen it from Ulti as well) is that it says something along the lines of "Obama was just propping up green energy companies so they'd make more money" or "The EPA shouldn't be choosing who wins or loses, economically." And fine, those arguments are fine. Except they completely ignore that going the OTHER direction props up pollutant companies so they'd make more money, and that the EPA's decision to NOT regulate is in turn allowing them to choose who wins or loses as well. Again, the goal of the agency is ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, and they're choosing to regulate the companies that threaten our ENVIRONMENT.

I thought we chose capitalism? As long as "pollutant companies" can operate freely, environment companies are forced to make their companies a better choice financially than the alternative. While the "pollutant companies" are forced to try and stay/be better choice financially while also improving their energy plans to capture the ecofriendlier audience.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 1:17:56 PM
#124:


Unchecked capitalism is the WORST
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Peace___Frog
10/09/17 1:18:35 PM
#125:


Lol, capitalism does not equal free market. Furthermore, your boy in the white house is decidedly against the free market. Your argument fails on every front.
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Inviso
10/09/17 1:19:59 PM
#126:


Like I said, Corrik cares more about money than about people.
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Corrik
10/09/17 1:20:09 PM
#127:


So you both are not capitalists. Got it. Sucks probably living in America then being against capitalism.
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Dancedreamer
10/09/17 1:24:00 PM
#128:


It's always funny how conservatives pretend to care about Coal Jobs, but what they really care about is Coal Companies. They don't care if Billy Bob in Kentucky or West Virginia loses his coal job. They care if guys like Robert Murray can still line their pockets with money.
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dowolf
10/09/17 1:25:53 PM
#129:


Peace___Frog posted...
Lol, capitalism does not equal free market. Furthermore, your boy in the white house is decidedly against the free market. Your argument fails on every front.

guys, guys. I know the urge to jump on Trump is strong, but let's not get counterfactual here.

He's a cheeto, not a boy.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 1:33:14 PM
#130:


Corrik posted...
So you both are not capitalists. Got it. Sucks probably living in America then being against capitalism.


We're socialist enough

We need to be MORE socialist though
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NFUN
10/09/17 1:34:55 PM
#131:


jakyl can you not make any more topics so I can ignore you without missing these thanks
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Peace___Frog
10/09/17 1:38:09 PM
#132:


Corrik, if you were truly capitalist, you'd want the best and brightest to rise to the top.

Given the insane advantage that comes from being born into wealth, shouldn't we have a 100% estate tax so that every individual can reach success on their own merits?
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lordloki12
10/09/17 1:38:31 PM
#133:


Dancedreamer posted...
It's always funny how conservatives pretend to care about Coal Jobs, but what they really care about is Coal Companies. They don't care if Billy Bob in Kentucky or West Virginia loses his coal job. They care if guys like Robert Murray can still line their pockets with money.


But thats just the free market doing it thing right? Corrik thinks a free market means more for the employees forgetting that there is no requirement for the owners to send anything down to them.
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HashtagSEP
10/09/17 1:38:33 PM
#134:


NFUN posted...
jakyl can you not make any more topics so I can ignore you without missing these thanks


Create your own
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Corrik
10/09/17 2:04:25 PM
#135:


Peace___Frog posted...
Corrik, if you were truly capitalist, you'd want the best and brightest to rise to the top.

Given the insane advantage that comes from being born into wealth, shouldn't we have a 100% estate tax so that every individual can reach success on their own merits?

No.

But, there should be a substantial estate tax over a set limit.
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LapisLazuli
10/09/17 2:21:41 PM
#136:


Lol in what world is Jakyl someone on an ignore list.
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 2:23:54 PM
#137:


I argue with Corrik too much
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 2:31:05 PM
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 2:36:58 PM
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dowolf
10/09/17 3:20:39 PM
#140:


When I saw Indians fighting Indians, I really thought we were going to go with how Cortez got different tribes to rally against the Aztecs or something.

"nope."
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 3:25:13 PM
#141:


We needed the Europeans to come over and teach EFFICIENCY in killing natives
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dowolf
10/09/17 3:28:06 PM
#142:


Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/2-big-wildfires-prompt-evacuations-in-Napa-County-12262945.php

Some truly incredible photos of the fire in the slideshow here

also didn't click on this before, but:

"1 dead! Best Disaster Ever, am I right?" --Trump
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 3:31:54 PM
#143:


"In California they're PRAYING for a hurricane to put out these fires!"
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LordoftheMorons
10/09/17 3:33:08 PM
#144:


Can confirm I'm praying for Hurricane Mueller to put out the dumpster fire that is the Trump Presidency
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LordoftheMorons
10/09/17 3:36:32 PM
#145:


Trump forcing his cabinet to put out press statements praising him:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/917462044852531201
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Jakyl25
10/09/17 3:39:07 PM
#146:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Trump forcing his cabinet to put out press statements praising him:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/917462044852531201


I like that he thinks it's newsworthy that these people agree with him
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Peace___Frog
10/09/17 3:41:05 PM
#147:


Again, Trump is accomplishing his goal of lowering the immigrant count by making America so similar to a third world autocratic backwoods country that no one will want to move here.
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FFDragon
10/09/17 3:41:25 PM
#148:


dear leader at work
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LordoftheMorons
10/09/17 3:41:44 PM
#149:


I kind of doubt they even do agree with him (besides Sessions, who's probably jizzing himself over it)
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LordoftheMorons
10/09/17 4:39:33 PM
#150:


Pathetic email from Weinstein to other elites in the entertainment industry:

https://twitter.com/janicemin/status/917485536020905984
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