Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 140: The Calm Before the Tweetstorm

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StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:05:21 PM #402:	Kenri posted... StealThisSheen posted... So, instead of voicing concerns up front about a pledge of team unity, you'd just lie about it and then break it later without a second thought? Good to know. I'd probably try to bring up issues beforehand, but in the current climate I'd have to read the situation to see if I'd be punished just for that alone. But regardless, a dumb pledge is worth literally nothing to me. Don't force me to pledge to dumb things and then I won't have to "break your trust" or whatever. So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888252001] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>So, instead of voicing concerns up front about a pledge of team unity, you'd just lie about it and then break it later without a second thought? Good to know.</quote> I'd probably try to bring up issues beforehand, but in the current climate I'd have to read the situation to see if I'd be punished just for that alone. But regardless, a dumb pledge is worth literally nothing to me. Don't force me to pledge to dumb things and then I won't have to "break your trust" or whatever.</quote> So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/11/17 6:06:48 PM #403:	StealThisSheen posted... So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then. I dont get how this is hard. Would you rather get punished for saying youll do a thing, or for doing the thing? You might as well do the thing. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:888252085] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then.</quote> I dont get how this is hard. Would you rather get punished for saying youll do a thing, or for doing the thing? You might as well do the thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/11/17 6:08:41 PM #404:	This is going in a pointless circle. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:888252198] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>This is going in a pointless circle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:08:56 PM #405:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... StealThisSheen posted... So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then. I dont get how this is hard. Would you rather get punished for saying youll do a thing, or for doing the thing? You might as well do the thing. It's hard because people who lack the integrity to be honest upfront, and would think less enough of people to directly lie to them are not people I would consider "noble." --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888252209] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then.</quote> I dont get how this is hard. Would you rather get punished for saying youll do a thing, or for doing the thing? You might as well do the thing.</quote> It's hard because people who lack the integrity to be honest upfront, and would think less enough of people to directly lie to them are not people I would consider "noble."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/11/17 6:10:03 PM #406:	StealThisSheen posted... So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then. If being up front about it might prevent you from protesting, then absolutely...? Foresight and conviction aren't mutually exclusive. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:888252263] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>So instead of having the conviction to go "This is dumb" up front for fear of getting punished, you'd rather lie first, then get punished when you break it later...? Okay then.</quote> If being up front about it might prevent you from protesting, then absolutely...? Foresight and conviction aren't mutually exclusive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/11/17 6:12:32 PM #407:	StealThisSheen posted... It's hard because people who lack the integrity to be honest upfront, and would think less enough of people to directly lie to them are not people I would consider "noble." uh, do you think lying is absolutely morally wrong? why? what if you can save lives by lying? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:888252386] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>It's hard because people who lack the integrity to be honest upfront, and would think less enough of people to directly lie to them are not people I would consider "noble."</quote> uh, do you think lying is absolutely morally wrong? why? what if you can save lives by lying?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:12:35 PM #408:	And to be clear, I'm not trying to insult these type of people who I'm saying aren't "noble." I wouldn't necessarily think bad of them just based on that I'm just not going to herald them as some noble hero, either, which is basically what the argument is about. I don't think that what he did is noble because he took dishonest means to achieve something he could have achieved without being dishonest. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888252392] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>And to be clear, I'm not trying to insult these type of people who I'm saying aren't "noble." I wouldn't necessarily think bad of them just based on that I'm just not going to herald them as some noble hero, either, which is basically what the argument is about. I don't think that what he did is noble because he took dishonest means to achieve something he could have achieved without being dishonest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 10/11/17 6:14:10 PM #409:	lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team. Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well. Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:888252463] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team.</quote> Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well.</quote> Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:14:59 PM #410:	Mr Lasastryke posted... StealThisSheen posted... It's hard because people who lack the integrity to be honest upfront, and would think less enough of people to directly lie to them are not people I would consider "noble." uh, do you think lying is absolutely morally wrong? why? what if you can save lives by lying? I should clarify there are obviously deeper layers to this But I'm not about to compare kneeling at a football game to having lives at risk --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888252498] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>It's hard because people who lack the integrity to be honest upfront, and would think less enough of people to directly lie to them are not people I would consider "noble."</quote> uh, do you think lying is absolutely morally wrong? why? what if you can save lives by lying?</quote> I should clarify there are obviously deeper layers to this But I'm not about to compare kneeling at a football game to having lives at risk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 10/11/17 6:16:15 PM #411:	Can only imagine 40 some people agreeing to kneel during a coin toss for the few who wish to protest but someone being unwilling to stand for the 40 others during the national anthem which shows respect to the millions. Can only imagine. Such a swell guy. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:888252562] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>Can only imagine 40 some people agreeing to kneel during a coin toss for the few who wish to protest but someone being unwilling to stand for the 40 others during the national anthem which shows respect to the millions. Can only imagine. Such a swell guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/11/17 6:18:22 PM #412:	https://twitter.com/ashleyconnick/status/918154935900033025 Person asks in good faith to get an explanation of what cisgender means, gets one, and almost immediately grasps it. IT'S NOT HARD --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:888252676] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ashleyconnick/status/918154935900033025 Person asks in good faith to get an explanation of what cisgender means, gets one, and almost immediately grasps it. IT'S NOT HARD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 10/11/17 6:19:29 PM #413:	Corrik posted... lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team. Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well. Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself. Not what I am saying but nice try champ. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:888252724] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team.</quote> Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well.</quote> Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself.</quote> Not what I am saying but nice try champ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 10/11/17 6:20:18 PM #414:	lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team. Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well. Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself. Not what I am saying but nice try champ. That is what Coach Kilmer did so maybe make better examples. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:888252766] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team.</quote> Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well.</quote> Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself.</quote> Not what I am saying but nice try champ.</quote> That is what Coach Kilmer did so maybe make better examples.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/11/17 6:21:01 PM #415:	StealThisSheen posted... I should clarify there are obviously deeper layers to this But I'm not about to compare kneeling at a football game to having lives at risk yeah, how big of a deal the guy lying is to you obviously depends on how much you care about the kneeling at the football game. if you don't give a crap about the kneeling you'll just think he's a douche for being dishonest, but if you think it's an extremely important protest you'll probably view him a lot more positively. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:888252808] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I should clarify there are obviously deeper layers to this But I'm not about to compare kneeling at a football game to having lives at risk</quote> yeah, how big of a deal the guy lying is to you obviously depends on how much you care about the kneeling at the football game. if you don't give a crap about the kneeling you'll just think he's a douche for being dishonest, but if you think it's an extremely important protest you'll probably view him a lot more positively.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/11/17 6:21:31 PM #416:	Sidebar that's always bugged me and may have been brought up sometime before either in this discussion or the many others. ...Why is kneeling taken as a sign of disrespect in the first place? To me it's always been a sign of respect. People didn't kneel before kings and ** to show their disrespect! This has always bugged me about the discussion. From the very beginning it never struck me as disrespect at all, the gesture is just an alternate showing of respect to me. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:888252832] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>Sidebar that's always bugged me and may have been brought up sometime before either in this discussion or the many others. ...Why is kneeling taken as a sign of disrespect in the first place? To me it's always been a sign of respect. People didn't kneel before kings and ** to show their disrespect! This has always bugged me about the discussion. From the very beginning it never struck me as disrespect at all, the gesture is just an alternate showing of respect to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 10/11/17 6:22:48 PM #417:	mostly because they always ask you to 'please stand and remove your hats' and they are going counter to it --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:888252890] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>mostly because they always ask you to 'please stand and remove your hats' and they are going counter to it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/11/17 6:22:59 PM #418:	https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/918186649917513729 Trump's the one actually dishonoring America with pretty much every word he says I don't know of any other American with as much contempt for the First Amendment as him. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:888252902] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/918186649917513729 Trump's the one actually dishonoring America with pretty much every word he says I don't know of any other American with as much contempt for the First Amendment as him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/11/17 6:23:16 PM #419:	xp1337 posted... Sidebar that's always bugged me and may have been brought up sometime before either in this discussion or the many others. ...Why is kneeling taken as a sign of disrespect in the first place? To me it's always been a sign of respect. People didn't kneel before kings and **** to show their disrespect! This has always bugged me about the discussion. From the very beginning it never struck me as disrespect at all, the gesture is just an alternate showing of respect to me. it's all about context. in this case standing = showing respect, so kinda doing the opposite = disrespect. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:888252917] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Sidebar that's always bugged me and may have been brought up sometime before either in this discussion or the many others. ...Why is kneeling taken as a sign of disrespect in the first place? To me it's always been a sign of respect. People didn't kneel before kings and **** to show their disrespect! This has always bugged me about the discussion. From the very beginning it never struck me as disrespect at all, the gesture is just an alternate showing of respect to me.</quote> it's all about context. in this case standing = showing respect, so kinda doing the opposite = disrespect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/11/17 6:25:29 PM #420:	okay so you're disrespecting the stadium announcer by ignoring them With regards to the flag/anthem, to the extent any of this is somehow about them, I still never saw it as anything more than an alternate way of showing respect. That it is different than the typical way draws attention to it, which is kind of the point. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:888253039] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>okay so you're disrespecting the stadium announcer by ignoring them With regards to the flag/anthem, to the extent any of this is somehow about them, I still never saw it as anything more than an alternate way of showing respect. That it is different than the typical way draws attention to it, which is kind of the point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 10/11/17 6:26:32 PM #421:	Corrik posted... lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team. Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well. Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself. Not what I am saying but nice try champ. That is what Coach Kilmer did so maybe make better examples. Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:888253095] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team.</quote> Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well.</quote> Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself.</quote> Not what I am saying but nice try champ.</quote> That is what Coach Kilmer did so maybe make better examples.</quote> Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/11/17 6:27:16 PM #422:	Mr Lasastryke posted... it's all about context. in this case standing = showing respect, so kinda doing the opposite = disrespect. Is it a binary choice though? And would kneeling even be the opposite in that case? Again, Kaepernick started this off by sitting during the anthem. If there had to be an "opposite" here to standing that would have been it, to me. It's been mentioned before but he switched to kneeling after he had a long discussion with a veteran who took issue with sitting and wanted to work with him to find a better way. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:888253135] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>it's all about context. in this case standing = showing respect, so kinda doing the opposite = disrespect.</quote> Is it a binary choice though? And would kneeling even be the opposite in that case? Again, Kaepernick started this off by sitting during the anthem. If there had to be an "opposite" here to standing that would have been it, to me. It's been mentioned before but he switched to kneeling after he had a long discussion with a veteran who took issue with sitting and wanted to work with him to find a better way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:27:54 PM #423:	Mr Lasastryke posted... StealThisSheen posted... I should clarify there are obviously deeper layers to this But I'm not about to compare kneeling at a football game to having lives at risk yeah, how big of a deal the guy lying is to you obviously depends on how much you care about the kneeling at the football game. if you don't give a crap about the kneeling you'll just think he's a douche for being dishonest, but if you think it's an extremely important protest you'll probably view him a lot more positively. I guess my issue boils down to that the team tried to come to a compromise. It's not even just the "No kneeling during the anthem" rule he went against... He basically spit in the face of their compromise, too. They tried to compromise with "We'll kneel at coin toss," and he agreed to it. Instead of going "No, that's not good enough," or "No, I don't feel right just doing that," he agreed to it. So for all intents and purposes, they thought they had come up with a compromise and that the team was unified. If it wasn't for that, I'd be bugged by it less, because I think the rule is dumb. But he flat out told his teammates "Yes, this is a fair compromise" by agreeing to it, when he had no intention of compromising at all. These are innocent people who didn't come up with the rule, and instead tried to come up with a way to help get around it, and he didn't show them any respect whatsoever. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888253172] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I should clarify there are obviously deeper layers to this But I'm not about to compare kneeling at a football game to having lives at risk</quote> yeah, how big of a deal the guy lying is to you obviously depends on how much you care about the kneeling at the football game. if you don't give a crap about the kneeling you'll just think he's a douche for being dishonest, but if you think it's an extremely important protest you'll probably view him a lot more positively.</quote> I guess my issue boils down to that the team tried to come to a compromise. It's not even just the "No kneeling during the anthem" rule he went against... He basically spit in the face of their compromise, too. They tried to compromise with "We'll kneel at coin toss," and he agreed to it. Instead of going "No, that's not good enough," or "No, I don't feel right just doing that," he agreed to it. So for all intents and purposes, they thought they had come up with a compromise and that the team was unified. If it wasn't for that, I'd be bugged by it less, because I think the rule is dumb. But he flat out told his teammates "Yes, this is a fair compromise" by agreeing to it, when he had no intention of compromising at all. These are innocent people who didn't come up with the rule, and instead tried to come up with a way to help get around it, and he didn't show them any respect whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 10/11/17 6:29:45 PM #424:	lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... lordloki12 posted... Corrik posted... ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team. Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well. Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself. Not what I am saying but nice try champ. That is what Coach Kilmer did so maybe make better examples. Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that. Actually he very clearly did not hold the asoect of the team above all. He held a few chosen few as gods and used the team to manipulate those he could to those fews benefit. Watch the movie again. And watch Remember the Titans for how a team acts when it comes together. Burteer's speech to Julius about putting the team above himself is what you should focus on. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:888253284] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>ITT people who don't understand how Team sports work and how to be a Team.</quote> Seems we have a few Coach Kilmers in here as well.</quote> Oh my god can u believez it. If you stand for the national anthem then your coach is forcing you to play hurt and in a state in which you could kill yourself.</quote> Not what I am saying but nice try champ.</quote> That is what Coach Kilmer did so maybe make better examples.</quote> Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that.</quote> Actually he very clearly did not hold the asoect of the team above all. He held a few chosen few as gods and used the team to manipulate those he could to those fews benefit. Watch the movie again. And watch Remember the Titans for how a team acts when it comes together. Burteer's speech to Julius about putting the team above himself is what you should focus on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:30:03 PM #425:	lordloki12 posted... Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that. It's not about putting the team above all else at all. It's about simple human decency of not lying to those who are actually trying to work with you. He can say screw you to the school/whoever came up with the rule all he wants, but lying to the teammates who tried to help with a way of kneeling that wasn't against the rule is just not a good look. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888253303] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that.</quote> It's not about putting the team above all else at all. It's about simple human decency of not lying to those who are actually trying to work with you. He can say screw you to the school/whoever came up with the rule all he wants, but lying to the teammates who tried to help with a way of kneeling that wasn't against the rule is just not a good look.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket_pub 10/11/17 6:30:59 PM #426:	StealThisSheen posted... If he wanted attention for the protest/cause itself, he could have just as easily voiced his issues early on, then went to a reporter or somebody if he got punished/kicked off the team. Hey SEP, I feel where you are coming from on integrity, but this is a dumb argument. This is where "division 3 backup" matters. If he got cut before the game, no one would have given him the time of day. Nobody gives a shit about a divsion 3 player getting cut for something that happened off the field, unless like rape or murder are involved. The fact that he did this on the field is the ONLY reason it got any attention and is why we are even having this conversation. --- Blasting off <cite>redrocket_pub posted [p:888253359] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>If he wanted attention for the protest/cause itself, he could have just as easily voiced his issues early on, then went to a reporter or somebody if he got punished/kicked off the team.</quote> Hey SEP, I feel where you are coming from on integrity, but this is a dumb argument. This is where "division 3 backup" matters. If he got cut before the game, no one would have given him the time of day. Nobody gives a shit about a divsion 3 player getting cut for something that happened off the field, unless like rape or murder are involved. The fact that he did this on the field is the ONLY reason it got any attention and is why we are even having this conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/11/17 6:31:33 PM #427:	StealThisSheen posted... I guess my issue boils down to that the team tried to come to a compromise. Why did they have to compromise in the first place? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:888253390] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I guess my issue boils down to that the team tried to come to a compromise.</quote> Why did they have to compromise in the first place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 10/11/17 6:32:33 PM #428:	StealThisSheen posted... lordloki12 posted... Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that. It's not about putting the team above all else at all. It's about simple human decency of not lying to those who are actually trying to work with you. He can say screw you to the school/whoever came up with the rule all he wants, but lying to the teammates who tried to help with a way of kneeling that wasn't against the rule is just not a good look. They weren't working with him. The team leaders voted to do the opposite of what he wanted. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:888253444] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah he held the importance of the team above all else. Not unlike some people in this topic. Sending in injured players is only the most extreme example from that.</quote> It's not about putting the team above all else at all. It's about simple human decency of not lying to those who are actually trying to work with you. He can say screw you to the school/whoever came up with the rule all he wants, but lying to the teammates who tried to help with a way of kneeling that wasn't against the rule is just not a good look.</quote> They weren't working with him. The team leaders voted to do the opposite of what he wanted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:34:16 PM #429:	lordloki12 posted... They weren't working with him. The team leaders voted to do the opposite of what he wanted. The opposite of what he wanted would have been "No kneeling at all." They tried to work with those that wanted to protest, period. And, again, if he doesn't agree with it... Then he should have had the conviction to say "I don't agree with this" instead of agreeing with it for an entire week. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888253541] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote> They weren't working with him. The team leaders voted to do the opposite of what he wanted. </quote> The opposite of what he wanted would have been "No kneeling at all." They tried to work with those that wanted to protest, period. And, again, if he doesn't agree with it... Then he should have had the conviction to say "I don't agree with this" instead of agreeing with it for an entire week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 10/11/17 6:34:42 PM #430:	redrocket_pub posted... StealThisSheen posted... If he wanted attention for the protest/cause itself, he could have just as easily voiced his issues early on, then went to a reporter or somebody if he got punished/kicked off the team. Hey SEP, I feel where you are coming from on integrity, but this is a dumb argument. This is where "division 3 backup" matters. If he got cut before the game, no one would have given him the time of day. Nobody gives a shit about a divsion 3 player getting cut for something that happened off the field, unless like rape or murder are involved. The fact that he did this on the field is the ONLY reason it got any attention and is why we are even having this conversation. Even as a D3 backup, you guys are literally acting like we live in a world where he can't tweet this out and have it catch fire ahead of time. The road's been paved for this. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:888253568] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>redrocket_pub posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>If he wanted attention for the protest/cause itself, he could have just as easily voiced his issues early on, then went to a reporter or somebody if he got punished/kicked off the team.</quote> Hey SEP, I feel where you are coming from on integrity, but this is a dumb argument. This is where "division 3 backup" matters. If he got cut before the game, no one would have given him the time of day. Nobody gives a shit about a divsion 3 player getting cut for something that happened off the field, unless like rape or murder are involved. The fact that he did this on the field is the ONLY reason it got any attention and is why we are even having this conversation.</quote> Even as a D3 backup, you guys are literally acting like we live in a world where he can't tweet this out and have it catch fire ahead of time. The road's been paved for this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:37:11 PM #431:	Kenri posted... StealThisSheen posted... I guess my issue boils down to that the team tried to come to a compromise. Why did they have to compromise in the first place? That's beside the point If you want ice cream before dinner, and mom says you can't have ice cream before dinner, but then dad comes in with a cookie for you and goes "Mom says we can't have ice cream, but let's have a cookie instead," and you go "Cool, dad. I'll have a cookie, I won't have ice cream," is it then fair to tell dad he can't be upset if you have the ice cream anyway and get sick? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888253713] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I guess my issue boils down to that the team tried to come to a compromise.</quote> Why did they have to compromise in the first place?</quote> That's beside the point If you want ice cream before dinner, and mom says you can't have ice cream before dinner, but then dad comes in with a cookie for you and goes "Mom says we can't have ice cream, but let's have a cookie instead," and you go "Cool, dad. I'll have a cookie, I won't have ice cream," is it then fair to tell dad he can't be upset if you have the ice cream anyway and get sick?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 10/11/17 6:37:43 PM #432:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/ashleyconnick/status/918154935900033025 Person asks in good faith to get an explanation of what cisgender means, gets one, and almost immediately grasps it. IT'S NOT HARD This is so wholesome and lovely and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. :3 --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:888253744] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ashleyconnick/status/918154935900033025 Person asks in good faith to get an explanation of what cisgender means, gets one, and almost immediately grasps it. IT'S NOT HARD</quote> This is so wholesome and lovely and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. :3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/11/17 6:40:27 PM #433:	StealThisSheen posted... If you want ice cream before dinner, and mom says you can't have ice cream before dinner, but then dad comes in with a cookie for you and goes "Mom says we can't have ice cream, but let's have a cookie instead," and you go "Cool, dad. I'll have a cookie, I won't have ice cream," is it then fair to tell dad he can't be upset if you have the ice cream anyway and get sick? He can be upset, but as long as you bought the ice cream yourself it's not really a lack of integrity? I said "I'm only gonna have one drink tonight" yesterday and then I had two, wow, I'm such a dishonest person. Also, why they had to compromise is absolutely, 100% not beside the point. It's entirely the point. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:888253882] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>If you want ice cream before dinner, and mom says you can't have ice cream before dinner, but then dad comes in with a cookie for you and goes "Mom says we can't have ice cream, but let's have a cookie instead," and you go "Cool, dad. I'll have a cookie, I won't have ice cream," is it then fair to tell dad he can't be upset if you have the ice cream anyway and get sick?</quote> He can be upset, but as long as you bought the ice cream yourself it's not really a lack of integrity? I said "I'm only gonna have one drink tonight" yesterday and then I had two, wow, I'm such a dishonest person. Also, why they had to compromise is absolutely, 100% not beside the point. It's entirely the point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 10/11/17 6:40:59 PM #434:	StealThisSheen posted... lordloki12 posted... They weren't working with him. The team leaders voted to do the opposite of what he wanted. The opposite of what he wanted would have been "No kneeling at all." They tried to work with those that wanted to protest, period. And, again, if he doesn't agree with it... Then he should have had the conviction to say "I don't agree with this" instead of agreeing with it for an entire week. He wanted to protest during the anthem, the players on the council voted against that. Kneeling before hand is pretty much meaningless. The conviction comes from kneeling during the anthem knowing he would face consequences for that action. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:888253909] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote> They weren't working with him. The team leaders voted to do the opposite of what he wanted. </quote> The opposite of what he wanted would have been "No kneeling at all." They tried to work with those that wanted to protest, period. And, again, if he doesn't agree with it... Then he should have had the conviction to say "I don't agree with this" instead of agreeing with it for an entire week.</quote> He wanted to protest during the anthem, the players on the council voted against that. Kneeling before hand is pretty much meaningless. The conviction comes from kneeling during the anthem knowing he would face consequences for that action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:43:31 PM #435:	lordloki12 posted... He wanted to protest during the anthem, the players on the council voted against that. No they didn't. Kneeling during the anthem was already off the table because of the rule. The whole reason the team leaders went to decide on anything at all was to include some kind of protest You're literally trying to villainize people who didn't have anything to do with the rule and were actually trying to work with those that wanted to protest --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888254050] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote> He wanted to protest during the anthem, the players on the council voted against that.</quote> No they didn't. Kneeling during the anthem was already off the table because of the rule. The whole reason the team leaders went to decide on anything at all was to include some kind of protest You're literally trying to villainize people who didn't have anything to do with the rule and were actually trying to work with those that wanted to protest</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:45:39 PM #436:	Kenri posted... Also, why they had to compromise is absolutely, 100% not beside the point. It's entirely the point. The reason behind why they had to compromise is beside the point because nobody disagrees that the rule is stupid. But those trying to compromise didn't come up with the rule. They were trying to find a way for everybody to still be able to protest without getting in trouble. My issue is with him disrespecting THEM by lying to them, not him disrespecting the rule. Fuck the rule, fuck who came up with the rule. But don't disrespect those trying to help. This argument started because the teammates that tried to help feel betrayed, and I agreed with them, and others basically said "Fuck how they feel" --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888254148] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>Also, why they had to compromise is absolutely, 100% not beside the point. It's entirely the point.</quote> The reason behind why they had to compromise is beside the point because nobody disagrees that the rule is stupid. But those trying to compromise didn't come up with the rule. They were trying to find a way for everybody to still be able to protest without getting in trouble. My issue is with him disrespecting THEM by lying to them, not him disrespecting the rule. Fuck the rule, fuck who came up with the rule. But don't disrespect those trying to help. This argument started because the teammates that tried to help feel betrayed, and I agreed with them, and others basically said "Fuck how they feel"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/11/17 6:47:37 PM #437:	Why would anyone try to enforce a rule that everyone agrees is dumb? How did a rule everyone thinks is dumb even become a rule? Why not just let players accept consequences if they want to? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:888254236] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>Why would anyone try to enforce a rule that everyone agrees is dumb? How did a rule everyone thinks is dumb even become a rule? Why not just let players accept consequences if they want to?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 10/11/17 6:50:32 PM #438:	StealThisSheen posted... lordloki12 posted... He wanted to protest during the anthem, the players on the council voted against that. No they didn't. Kneeling during the anthem was already off the table because of the rule. The whole reason the team leaders went to decide on anything at all was to include some kind of protest You're literally trying to villainize people who didn't have anything to do with the rule and were actually trying to work with those that wanted to protest Kneeling during the anthem is the protest. The team leaders could have voted to kneel during the anthem if they had wanted to. Then they would be facing these consequences as a team. They choose not to so this guy has to do it on his own if he wants to stand by his belief. Which is better for the team. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:888254410] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lordloki12 posted...</cite> <quote> He wanted to protest during the anthem, the players on the council voted against that.</quote> No they didn't. Kneeling during the anthem was already off the table because of the rule. The whole reason the team leaders went to decide on anything at all was to include some kind of protest You're literally trying to villainize people who didn't have anything to do with the rule and were actually trying to work with those that wanted to protest</quote> Kneeling during the anthem is the protest. The team leaders could have voted to kneel during the anthem if they had wanted to. Then they would be facing these consequences as a team. They choose not to so this guy has to do it on his own if he wants to stand by his belief. Which is better for the team.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/11/17 6:50:55 PM #439:	SEP why are you always in long ass debates? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:888254436] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>SEP why are you always in long ass debates?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 6:52:12 PM #440:	Kenri posted... Why would anyone try to enforce a rule that everyone agrees is dumb? How did a rule everyone thinks is dumb even become a rule? Why not just let players accept consequences if they want to? They weren't trying to enforce it. They were basically trying to come up with a way to get around it. They voted on it, then asked the rest of the team if they agreed with what they came up with. Everybody agreed with it, including the player who took a knee. I doubt he was the only player who would have wanted to take a knee during the anthem, but he seemingly did not give any indication that he was against the compromise that was brought up in any way. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888254511] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>Why would anyone try to enforce a rule that everyone agrees is dumb? How did a rule everyone thinks is dumb even become a rule? Why not just let players accept consequences if they want to?</quote> They weren't trying to enforce it. They were basically trying to come up with a way to get around it. They voted on it, then asked the rest of the team if they agreed with what they came up with. Everybody agreed with it, including the player who took a knee. I doubt he was the only player who would have wanted to take a knee during the anthem, but he seemingly did not give any indication that he was against the compromise that was brought up in any way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/11/17 6:56:59 PM #441:	StealThisSheen posted... They weren't trying to enforce it. They were basically trying to come up with a way to get around it. Why do you need to get around a rule that you aren't enforcing? Just break it. That's easier. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:888254759] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>They weren't trying to enforce it. They were basically trying to come up with a way to get around it.</quote> Why do you need to get around a rule that you aren't enforcing? Just break it. That's easier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 10/11/17 6:57:54 PM #442:	You people argue the dumbest shit --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:888254820] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>You people argue the dumbest shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/11/17 6:59:33 PM #443:	Corrik posted... You people argue the dumbest shit after your brie larson topic i'd say this is a clear example of "pot kettle" >_> --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:888254926] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You people argue the dumbest shit</quote> after your brie larson topic i'd say this is a clear example of "pot kettle" >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 10/11/17 7:02:22 PM #444:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Corrik posted... You people argue the dumbest shit after your brie larson topic i'd say this is a clear example of "pot kettle" >_> No, I am pretty sure you all were the ones who argued for 200 posts there while I responded maybe 15-20 times total. You all just love to argue and over dumb shit. Yeah, he knelt. He knew the consequence. He paid it. Oh well. Too bad. That's lifem. End of discussion. You can delete your last 100 posts or so now. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:888255111] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You people argue the dumbest shit</quote> after your brie larson topic i'd say this is a clear example of "pot kettle" >_></quote> No, I am pretty sure you all were the ones who argued for 200 posts there while I responded maybe 15-20 times total. You all just love to argue and over dumb shit. Yeah, he knelt. He knew the consequence. He paid it. Oh well. Too bad. That's lifem. End of discussion. You can delete your last 100 posts or so now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cybat 10/11/17 7:06:34 PM #445:	LordoftheMorons posted... I don't know of any other American with as much contempt for the First Amendment as him. MWC --- Is it crazy how saying sentences backwards creates backwards sentences saying how crazy it is? <cite>Cybat posted [p:888255390] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know of any other American with as much contempt for the First Amendment as him. </quote> MWC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 10/11/17 7:06:37 PM #446:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Corrik posted... You people argue the dumbest shit after your brie larson topic i'd say this is a clear example of "pot kettle" >_> But in this case, it seems like a double-edged metaphor. It seems that even when I have Corrik on ignore, these topics generate the dumbest shit. I went "Holy shit" because I didn't imagine that one guy choose to stay kneeling would result in such a large, sanctimonious argument. --- Life is unfair by nature - People are unfair by choice. Using this as an excuse for bad behavior is worse than juvenile. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:888255397] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You people argue the dumbest shit</quote> after your brie larson topic i'd say this is a clear example of "pot kettle" >_></quote> But in this case, it seems like a double-edged metaphor. It seems that even when I have Corrik on ignore, these topics generate the dumbest shit. I went "Holy shit" because I didn't imagine that one guy choose to stay kneeling would result in such a large, sanctimonious argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 10/11/17 7:06:45 PM #447:	Corrik, I mean even if that post count disparity between you and others is accurate in that topic ~~I doubt it~~, don't act like you haven't engaged heavily in longer, stupider arguments just in this topic series. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:888255408] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>Corrik, I mean even if that post count disparity between you and others is accurate in that topic I doubt it, don't act like you haven't engaged heavily in longer, stupider arguments just in this topic series.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 10/11/17 7:08:34 PM #448:	kevwaffles posted... Corrik, I mean even if that post count disparity between you and others is accurate in that topic ~~I doubt it~~, don't act like you haven't engaged heavily in longer, stupider arguments just in this topic series. Actually the funny thing is, even though you had to edit to specify who it was, I'll say that it would be equally accurate directed at me. --- Life is unfair by nature - People are unfair by choice. Using this as an excuse for bad behavior is worse than juvenile. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:888255503] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, I mean even if that post count disparity between you and others is accurate in that topic I doubt it, don't act like you haven't engaged heavily in longer, stupider arguments just in this topic series.</quote> Actually the funny thing is, even though you had to edit to specify who it was, I'll say that it would be equally accurate directed at me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/11/17 7:11:37 PM #449:	endless arguments about dumb shit is what board 8 is all about yo! --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:888255668] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>endless arguments about dumb shit is what board 8 is all about yo!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/11/17 7:12:09 PM #450:	We all get in long, dumb arguments That's the true power of these topics --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:888255694] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote>We all get in long, dumb arguments That's the true power of these topics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/11/17 7:12:25 PM #451:	Mr Lasastryke posted... endless arguments about dumb shit is what board 8 is all about yo! save my dumb argument --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:888255719] in Politics C... [t:75857323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>endless arguments about dumb shit is what board 8 is all about yo!</quote> save my dumb argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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