Poll of the Day > Could you stop eating a particular animal if asked?

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Doctor Foxx
10/12/17 2:25:39 PM
#51:


Zeus posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
And, depending on your definition of meat, apparently fish isn't even considered meat.


There's only one definition of meat. The only people who claim fish isn't meat are people who want to pretend to be vegetarian.


Well, technically no. There's a long history of breaking the two up for some reason, and it's not just fake-vegetarians. To this day, you still articles comparing meat and fish despite the fact that intuitively you'd think they'd belong in the same category.

Not that I subscribe to the view myself, mind you. I'm just acknowledging the prevalence of the belief.

That's purely some Catholic Church nonsense relating to lent that has spilled over into the broader culture. Fish and seafood = meat, except to Catholics on fridays. They also consider beaver to be fish (and not meat). A beaver is not a fish, and even if it were, that's still meat. And that's not the only exception they have made. Capybara, alligator, manatee, puffin, goose, muskrat, guinea pig...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-upon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/

Culinarily you treat fish different from other meat types, but that's true of any meat. You don't cook poultry like beef, nor do you cook scallops or cod like you would cook pork.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat#Nutritional_information

look at that nutritional information of fish, a kind of meat
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Revelation34
10/12/17 4:32:30 PM
#52:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Zeus posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
And, depending on your definition of meat, apparently fish isn't even considered meat.


There's only one definition of meat. The only people who claim fish isn't meat are people who want to pretend to be vegetarian.


Well, technically no. There's a long history of breaking the two up for some reason, and it's not just fake-vegetarians. To this day, you still articles comparing meat and fish despite the fact that intuitively you'd think they'd belong in the same category.

Not that I subscribe to the view myself, mind you. I'm just acknowledging the prevalence of the belief.

That's purely some Catholic Church nonsense relating to lent that has spilled over into the broader culture. Fish and seafood = meat, except to Catholics on fridays. They also consider beaver to be fish (and not meat). A beaver is not a fish, and even if it were, that's still meat. And that's not the only exception they have made. Capybara, alligator, manatee, puffin, goose, muskrat, guinea pig...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-upon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/

Culinarily you treat fish different from other meat types, but that's true of any meat. You don't cook poultry like beef, nor do you cook scallops or cod like you would cook pork.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat#Nutritional_information

look at that nutritional information of fish, a kind of meat


Partly religion but it's also the nutrient profile for why it's treated different.
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RedPixel
10/12/17 5:37:21 PM
#53:


InfestedAdam posted...
RedPixel posted...
My wife and I went vegan 2 months ago and have noticed a huge gain in our energy levels.

Were you folks vegetarian before going vegan or it was a straight jump to being vegan?

Ate meat quite a lot.
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Cruddy_horse
10/12/17 5:42:51 PM
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Mover_of_Zigs posted...
Could I? Yes.
Would I? No.

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Nade Duck
10/12/17 5:51:29 PM
#55:


Far-Queue posted...
Nade Duck posted...
if it was for medical reasons sure, not really a fan of dying.

not really a fan of dropping something i enjoy because someone is a judgmental buttmunch either, so probably wouldn't drop it otherwise.

Buttmunch is terribly underserved as a descriptor.

i disagree! plus it's fun to say.
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Zeus
10/12/17 6:56:34 PM
#56:


Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
And, depending on your definition of meat, apparently fish isn't even considered meat.


There's only one definition of meat. The only people who claim fish isn't meat are people who want to pretend to be vegetarian.


Well, technically no. There's a long history of breaking the two up for some reason, and it's not just fake-vegetarians. To this day, you still articles comparing meat and fish despite the fact that intuitively you'd think they'd belong in the same category.

Not that I subscribe to the view myself, mind you. I'm just acknowledging the prevalence of the belief.


How the fuck did you miss the post right before this post?


How the fuck did you not understand what I was saying? Get you and your Dictionary.com definition out of here.

RedPixel posted...
We haven't just gone vegan, we quit eating GMOs and processed foods.


lol...
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Zeus
10/12/17 6:57:56 PM
#57:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Zeus posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
And, depending on your definition of meat, apparently fish isn't even considered meat.


There's only one definition of meat. The only people who claim fish isn't meat are people who want to pretend to be vegetarian.


Well, technically no. There's a long history of breaking the two up for some reason, and it's not just fake-vegetarians. To this day, you still articles comparing meat and fish despite the fact that intuitively you'd think they'd belong in the same category.

Not that I subscribe to the view myself, mind you. I'm just acknowledging the prevalence of the belief.

That's purely some Catholic Church nonsense relating to lent that has spilled over into the broader culture. Fish and seafood = meat, except to Catholics on fridays. They also consider beaver to be fish (and not meat). A beaver is not a fish, and even if it were, that's still meat. And that's not the only exception they have made. Capybara, alligator, manatee, puffin, goose, muskrat, guinea pig...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-upon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/

Culinarily you treat fish different from other meat types, but that's true of any meat. You don't cook poultry like beef, nor do you cook scallops or cod like you would cook pork.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat#Nutritional_information

look at that nutritional information of fish, a kind of meat


While today it's more widely claimed among Catholics, it's a historical differentiation. And, as others have noted, a way to eat your fish and be vegetarian, too.
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Doctor Foxx
10/12/17 7:39:10 PM
#58:


Zeus posted...
While today it's more widely claimed among Catholics, it's a historical differentiation. And, as others have noted, a way to eat your fish and be vegetarian, too.

Vegetarians do not eat fish. Pescetarians do. There's a separate word for that specifically because fish is not vegetarian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism

Pescetarian is a new term relatively speaking. At no point is someone that eats fish a vegetarian. They may otherwise follow a vegetarian diet, but fish makes it non-veg. That's as absurd as saying someone is a vegetarian that eats chicken.
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Zeus
10/12/17 8:32:29 PM
#59:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Zeus posted...
While today it's more widely claimed among Catholics, it's a historical differentiation. And, as others have noted, a way to eat your fish and be vegetarian, too.

Vegetarians do not eat fish. Pescetarians do. There's a separate word for that specifically because fish is not vegetarian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism

Pescetarian is a new term relatively speaking. At no point is someone that eats fish a vegetarian. They may otherwise follow a vegetarian diet, but fish makes it non-veg. That's as absurd as saying someone is a vegetarian that eats chicken.


That's what I was alluding to, although they were called "pesco vegetarians" or some nonsense when I first learned about them. And, speaking of, supposedly there are "pollo vegetarians."
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MoreRpgs
10/12/17 8:51:35 PM
#60:


Not really
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elg3cko
10/12/17 9:35:11 PM
#61:


dedbus posted...
If that particular animal asked. But probably just that one in particular.


hahaha!
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elg3cko
10/12/17 9:54:18 PM
#62:


I'm on board with Pescatarian being Vegetarians still, but it feels like a system cheat.
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Revelation34
10/13/17 3:55:10 AM
#63:


Zeus posted...
Get you and your Dictionary.com definition out of here.


I don't use dictionary.com. It isn't a real dictionary.

elg3cko posted...
I'm on board with Pescatarian being Vegetarians still, but it feels like a system cheat.


They literally can't be a vegetarian though.
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rab103
10/13/17 6:14:41 AM
#64:


I'll never stop
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Mover_of_Zigs
10/13/17 9:32:46 AM
#65:


Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
Get you and your Dictionary.com definition out of here.


I don't use dictionary.com. It isn't a real dictionary.

elg3cko posted...
I'm on board with Pescatarian being Vegetarians still, but it feels like a system cheat.


They literally can't be a vegetarian though.

Fish aren't vegetables, ok?
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RedPixel
10/13/17 1:17:04 PM
#66:


Zeus posted...
RedPixel posted...
We haven't just gone vegan, we quit eating GMOs and processed foods.


lol...

What's your recommended plan for better health, Zeus? Lurking the internet and shitposting all day? What's wrong with trying to branch out and improve health?

lol...
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Zeus
10/13/17 3:03:47 PM
#67:


RedPixel posted...
Zeus posted...
RedPixel posted...
We haven't just gone vegan, we quit eating GMOs and processed foods.


lol...

What's your recommended plan for better health, Zeus? Lurking the internet and shitposting all day? What's wrong with trying to branch out and improve health?

lol...


Says the guy who spends all day imagining vast conspiracies where GWB is using GMOs to turn people into frogs or some nonsense. Granted, your hatred of GMOs fits nicely into your anti-science views which inform your irrational credence in nutty conspiracy theories.
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RedPixel
10/13/17 6:34:43 PM
#68:


Zeus posted...
RedPixel posted...
Zeus posted...
RedPixel posted...
We haven't just gone vegan, we quit eating GMOs and processed foods.


lol...

What's your recommended plan for better health, Zeus? Lurking the internet and shitposting all day? What's wrong with trying to branch out and improve health?

lol...


Says the guy who spends all day imagining vast conspiracies where GWB is using GMOs to turn people into frogs or some nonsense. Granted, your hatred of GMOs fits nicely into your anti-science views which inform your irrational credence in nutty conspiracy theories.

I don't listen to Alex Jones if that's what the frog reference is, but I've heard the quote. Funny. Guessing you haven't read up on GMOs all that much either. Doesn't sound that far fetched to me to believe that whatever is engineered to kill/ward off insects (pesticide equivalents) could also have harmful effects on our bodies.

The research on GMOs and the anti-Big Pharma movements both suggest that our health is not in their interests. At all. I mean come on, we live by the rules of the same people who made it illegal to film what goes on in those mass slaughter house farms. I won't be the anti-animal cruelty vegan here, but their living conditions are sicker than anyone can imagine and even affects those who live within miles of it.

If the U.S. truly cared about our health, they'd take preventative measures as opposed to being in the business of "treating" the ill. But they wouldn't profit from that.

But hey, I'm just a nutty conspiracy theorist. I forgot we aren't supposed to ask questions.
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Zeus
10/13/17 7:23:24 PM
#69:


RedPixel posted...
Guessing you haven't read up on GMOs all that much either. Doesn't sound that far fetched to me to believe that whatever is engineered to kill/ward off insects (pesticide equivalents) could also have harmful effects on our bodies.


So basically your rejection of science is based on the organic nonsense movement and the naturalistic fallacy? Despite the fact that so-called "organic" foods also use pesticides? And the fact that repeated scientific studies have debunked the alleged harm from GMOs?

RedPixel posted...
The research on GMOs and the anti-Big Pharma movements both suggest that our health is not in their interests. At all. I mean come on, we live by the rules of the same people who made it illegal to film what goes on in those mass slaughter house farms. I won't be the anti-animal cruelty vegan here, but their living conditions are sicker than anyone can imagine and even affects those who live within miles of it.


So now you're basically trying to tie GMOs into big pharma -- despite the two having no real connection -- in an attempt to tie pharma hate into GMOs so you can discredit them? And, additionally, you're tying in slaughterhouse rules -- which also have very little (in the case of the meat industry, since that's the last step in the process and isn't intrinsically tied to GMOs in the first place) or nothing (in the case of the non-meat industry) to do with GMOs -- in an attempt to evoke emotion and feeling rather than reason and logic.

RedPixel posted...
If the U.S. truly cared about our health, they'd take preventative measures as opposed to being in the business of "treating" the ill. But they wouldn't profit from that.


Another weird segue which doesn't have a real connection with GMOs, especially considering that scientific studies performed by the US government -- which you charge as being unconcerned with our health -- have validated the safety of GMOs. As for "preventative measures" -- if we're playing the tie-the-movements together -- I should point out that the anti-GMO crowd is also the anti-vax crowd who are *very* opposed to preventative measures.
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RedPixel
10/13/17 7:32:57 PM
#70:


Zeus, all I was getting at originally was that I was trying to live a healthy life as I saw fit. I am going to walk away from this one and wish you a good weekend. Have fun touching yourself all night as you argue with other PotDers on your Friday evening.

You're pulling an Erik again in the sense that you rebut everything whether it's true or not. I could probably post something directly from your head and you'd find a way to battle me.
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benbeverfaqs
10/13/17 8:22:54 PM
#71:


If asked I could give it up, but probably wouldn't, unless there's a good reason.
If it's doctors advice, then of course I'd give it up. That's not asking, that's a medical professional telling me about my health.

I already don't eat red meat. Or chicken. Or any mammal or bird. For good reasons.
I do eat fish or seafood sometimes.
I don't eat gelatin (made from pig skin) but I do eat food additives made from insects.
Doctors encourage eating of fish. But if one told me to stop (for instance if I was allergic to shellfish) I'd stop.
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Zeus
10/13/17 8:40:13 PM
#72:


RedPixel posted...
Zeus, all I was getting at originally was that I was trying to live a healthy life as I saw fit.


And my only concern is the erroneous implication that GMOs are unhealthy. Whether you drink water or soda, eat kale or deep-fried bacon, I don't otherwise care since it's not like we have single-payer health insurance so your choice doesn't affect the population as a whole.

RedPixel posted...
You're pulling an Erik again in the sense that you rebut everything whether it's true or not.


While you're trying to assign both equal importance, I'd argue that there's a pretty meaningful difference between the two.

RedPixel posted...
I could probably post something directly from your head and you'd find a way to battle me.


I'm sorry you feel that way. However, if you promoted the virtues of GMOs, you can be assured I wouldn't come in touting inefficient, overpriced, socially irresponsible organic foods.
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benbeverfaqs
10/13/17 9:12:09 PM
#73:


I do eat genetically modified food (GMO), those are not unhealthy.
It's a mystery to me why people eat food with selected random natural mutations, or with radiation induced mutations, but not with planned, deliberate mutations.
They really should teach more biology in schools..
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CyborgSage00x0
10/13/17 9:14:37 PM
#74:


If it was absolutely critical to my mortal health, sure.
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ChimeraBlue
10/13/17 9:18:56 PM
#75:


Yes, easily.

Just do it.
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Revelation34
10/13/17 11:35:19 PM
#76:


RedPixel posted...
Zeus posted...
RedPixel posted...
Zeus posted...
RedPixel posted...
We haven't just gone vegan, we quit eating GMOs and processed foods.


lol...

What's your recommended plan for better health, Zeus? Lurking the internet and shitposting all day? What's wrong with trying to branch out and improve health?

lol...


Says the guy who spends all day imagining vast conspiracies where GWB is using GMOs to turn people into frogs or some nonsense. Granted, your hatred of GMOs fits nicely into your anti-science views which inform your irrational credence in nutty conspiracy theories.

I don't listen to Alex Jones if that's what the frog reference is, but I've heard the quote. Funny. Guessing you haven't read up on GMOs all that much either. Doesn't sound that far fetched to me to believe that whatever is engineered to kill/ward off insects (pesticide equivalents) could also have harmful effects on our bodies.

The research on GMOs and the anti-Big Pharma movements both suggest that our health is not in their interests. At all. I mean come on, we live by the rules of the same people who made it illegal to film what goes on in those mass slaughter house farms. I won't be the anti-animal cruelty vegan here, but their living conditions are sicker than anyone can imagine and even affects those who live within miles of it.

If the U.S. truly cared about our health, they'd take preventative measures as opposed to being in the business of "treating" the ill. But they wouldn't profit from that.

But hey, I'm just a nutty conspiracy theorist. I forgot we aren't supposed to ask questions.


Man that's some tin foil hat wearing shit right there.
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Mover_of_Zigs
10/14/17 12:35:09 AM
#77:


Totally unrelated, but every time I see the title of this topic I imagine myself in a field somewhere feasting on a gazelle, my face covered in its blood, and a British chap in a top hat walks by and politely asks me to stop.
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