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I am seeing almost every woman on my Facebook posting this, what does it mean?
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It means they've been sexually harassed or assaulted at some point in their lives.
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SaikyoStyle posted...

It means they've been sexually harassed or assaulted at some point in their lives.

Ah, thanks. Now one of them on my Facebook is saying that these people only care because it is trending now, but before this women like her received no support when they detailed their encounters.
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Vol2tex posted...

SaikyoStyle posted...

It means they've been sexually harassed or assaulted at some point in their lives.

Ah, thanks. Now one of them on my Facebook is saying that these people only care because it is trending now, but before this women like her received no support when they detailed their encounters.

More often than not, they were summarily dismissed as spiteful goldbrickers trying to ruin their assailant's reputation with unfounded accusations. I don't expect that to end any time soon.
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Saw it this morning and I just hid every one of them.

I hate how they lump everything together like they're the same. I'm a guy and I've been sexually harassed by a gay guy, so being sexually harassed by someone in your lifetime is fairly common. One of my straight friends had his ass grabbed by a gay guy...is that sexual assault?

I'm pretty sure every woman has faced some sort of harassment, but again, it's nothing out of the ordinary. I feel like this whole trend is about male shaming.
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Yeah sure you have.
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me too thanks
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Saw it this morning and I just hid every one of them.

I hate how they lump everything together like they're the same. I'm a guy and I've been sexually harassed by a gay guy, so being sexually harassed by someone in your lifetime is fairly common. One of my straight friends had his ass grabbed by a gay guy...is that sexual assault?

I'm pretty sure every woman has faced some sort of harassment, but again, it's nothing out of the ordinary. I feel like this whole trend is about male shaming.

You literally just made something that's about seeking support and showing how common it is, about you.

You must be an amazing person. /s
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Oh wow, this girl on my page wrote:


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it means "please don't forget about me today"
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Asherlee10 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I feel like this whole trend is about male shaming.

How do you figure that?

Isn't it obvious? People have been trying to pin Affleck since this Weinstein episode started. It's been a witch hunt to find more men and the media has overly negative toward men for the past couple weeks.

In many instances, men wanting sex from women is not harassment. Of course there are real instances of harassment, but a women saying no a couple times to a persistent man doesn't make it so.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I think you have a very misguided view of not only what constitutes sexual harassment, but also that you think this is a manhunt. I suppose you're just going to ignore the men that have come out to say that they were sexually harassed, some assaulted in Hollywood.

There's been a manhunt since November 2016. You don't feel it because you're not a man...how can you? Yes, there are male victims, but many woman don't even want to hear it, because it's 'their' platform and they will only be used to shame men.

I've seen so many instances of women making harassment claims over little things. A man sends a dick pic. That's harassment for some people. Dumb and misguided, but if that is harassment, then every woman has been harassed. Men messaging women they don't know. That's considered harassment by some.

By today's standards, everyone has been sexually harassed. And anyone looking at twitter, many of today's twitter post make negative generalized statements about men. So yeah, no manhunt at all....right.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

By today's standards, everyone has been sexually harassed.

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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

There's been a manhunt since November 2016. You don't feel it because you're not a man...how can you? Yes, there are male victims, but many woman don't even want to hear it, because it's 'their' platform and they will only be used to shame men.

I've seen so many instances of women making harassment claims over little things. A man sends a dick pic. That's harassment for some people. Dumb and misguided, but if that is harassment, then every woman has been harassed. Men messaging women they don't know. That's considered harassment by some.

By today's standards, everyone has been sexually harassed. And anyone looking at twitter, many of today's twitter post make negative generalized statements about men.

Jesus christ this is a mess of a post. No, there hasn't been a "major shamming of men since the election" you dolt, not unless you're an over sensitive ass who equates stories about other people to represent you. Men should be, and have been, encouraged to speak out against their own cases as well, and the vast majority of women would admit that as well, regardless of what you see random people on Twitter saying to prove your own confirmation bias.

Sending a sexually explicit picture unsolicited is absolutely sexual harassment, and you'd have to be ignorant to think otherwise. And bombarding someone you don't know repeatedly when they don't want to speak to you is also harassment, although it's not necessarily of the sexual nature, but it can be.

And again, you're using YOUR OWN confirmation bias and echo chamber of Twitter to shape your perceptions as a whole. Stop it.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Jesus christ this is a mess of a post. No, there hasn't been a "major shamming of men since the election" you dolt, not unless you're an over sensitive ass who equates stories about other people to represent you. Men should be, and have been, encouraged to speak out against their own cases as well, and the vast majority of women would admit that as well, regardless of what you see random people on Twitter saying to prove your own confirmation bias.

Sending a sexually explicit picture unsolicited is absolutely sexual harassment, and you'd have to be ignorant to think otherwise. And bombarding someone you don't know repeatedly when they don't want to speak to you is also harassment, although it's not necessarily of the sexual nature, but it can be.

And again, you're using YOUR OWN confirmation bias and echo chamber of Twitter to shape your perceptions as a whole. Stop it.

And using YOUR OWN confirmation bias to shape your perceptions. When people start generalizing about men, right there in printed media, expressed by women...it's confirmation bias. And what you using to back up your statement....feelings?

And you just proved my point. If sending a dick pic is sexual harassment, then every women has been harassed. Every guy on Grindr has been sexually harassed. And many straight men has been sexually harassed. But guess what, people like you dilute the meaning of sexual harassment and do a disservice to all the women who has faced real sexual harassment.
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me three
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"Wahhhh poor me and only me." -GreatEvilEmpire
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SaikyoStyle posted...

"Wahhhh poor me and only me."

Feels empowering, doesn't it? It's just an illusion. Let me know when you have something to offer.
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ThyCorndog posted...

me three

I've been waiting to see someone post this.
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me too d
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

SaikyoStyle posted...

"Wahhhh poor me and only me."

Feels empowering, doesn't it? It's just an illusion. Let me know when you have something to offer.

Nobody would bother sexually harassing you.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

And you just proved my point. If sending a dick pic is sexual harassment, then every women has been harassed. Every guy on Grindr has been sexually harassed. And many straight men has been sexually harassed. But guess what, people like you dilute the meaning of sexual harassment and do a disservice to all the women who has faced real sexual harassment.

Sending someone an unsolicited sexually explicit picture is by any reasonable and standard definition sexual harassment. Your entire tirade about "every X" experiencing such doesn't change that reality.

And at the risk of opening this can of worms, what do YOU feel is "real sexual harassment"?
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't have to be of the male sex in order to tabulate who has come forward about their sexual assault incidents. There are both men and women, even you mentioned that. That means that this isn't just a hunt for male predators. It's a hunt for who is doing it.

Doesn't seem like it to me. There is only negativity toward men and everyone is jumping on board. You don't have to take my word for it. There is a thread on Trump and Woody Allen in the first few pages. People have a manhunt mentality for the past couple weeks.

Sending unwanted pornography to someone is harassment. Why would you think it isn't? This is why we have indecent exposure laws.

So are we going devalue the meaning of real sexual harassment by lumping unwanted dick pics in there? The standards for sexual harassment is so low these days that anyone can claim it. I don't condone it and I've never sent unwanted dick pics, but in a couple years, the term 'sexual harassment' will be meaningless.

Let's pretend for a moment that what you just wrote is a reality. Even if it was and everyone has experienced sexual harassment and/or sexual assault. Something would need to be done about it. That is not tolerable. Why would you think it is?

Something is being done about it. Real sexual harassers are being sued and prosecuted every day. What isn't helping society is when people are trying to claim everything as sexual harassment. A woman claimed that a man looking at her chest is sexual harassment. Another claiming an unwanted message on Facebook asking for a date is sexual harassment. Males trying to have sex with females is as old as time itself. Some men are just terrible with their approach, but it shouldn't be demonize, or worse, criminalized by society because they aren't good with women.

Lumping sexual assault with sexual harassment hurts women a lot more than men. There's a huge difference and if this trend continues, society will become desensitize to the term 'sexual assault'.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Sending someone an unsolicited sexually explicit picture is by any reasonable and standard definition sexual harassment. Your entire tirade about "every X" experiencing such doesn't change that reality.

And at the risk of opening this can of worms, what do YOU feel is "real sexual harassment"?

Repeated sexual advances after a person says no to another person, usually in a professional workplace setting and some social settings. The term 'harassment' is usually defined as something that is repetitive. If one person says no, and the pursuer aggressively continue in an intimidating manner, that is sexual harassment.

There is a difference between courtship (even if clumsy at times) and sexual harassment. Some people are starting mistake one for the other.
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If a guy flashes his junk to a girl on the dance floor at a bar? Should that be considered sexual harassment?
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GreatEvilEmpire spittin' TRUTH BOMBS in this topic.

Just another witch hunt against men.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I think you have a very misguided view of not only what constitutes sexual harassment, but also that you think this is a manhunt. I suppose you're just going to ignore the men that have come out to say that they were sexually harassed, some assaulted in Hollywood.

There's been a manhunt since November 2016. You don't feel it because you're not a man...how can you? Yes, there are male victims, but many woman don't even want to hear it, because it's 'their' platform and they will only be used to shame men.

I've seen so many instances of women making harassment claims over little things. A man sends a dick pic. That's harassment for some people. Dumb and misguided, but if that is harassment, then every woman has been harassed. Men messaging women they don't know. That's considered harassment by some.

By today's standards, everyone has been sexually harassed. And anyone looking at twitter, many of today's twitter post make negative generalized statements about men. So yeah, no manhunt at all....right.

shut the actual fuck up

you really gonna use dick pics as an example for "fake" harassment? what a fucking loser.
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metralo posted...

shut the actual fuck up
you really gonna use dick pics as an example for "fake" harassment? what a fucking loser.

So you're what? 32 and still living in your mom's basement? I used many examples, but you're too dumb to read.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Well, yes this is going to stir up the dust. We don't know if males and females play equal roles in sexual assault against others because so many men do not report those crimes. Recently, Dwayne Johnson revealed that he was sexually assaulted by a Hollywood Exec. At least some are starting to come forward.

It's Terry Crews, not Dwayne Johnson. Know your men, Asherlee.

I don't think it devalued sexual harassment when, by definition, unsolicited dick pics meet that criteria already. Again, this is why we have indecent exposure laws.

I hear what you're trying to say, but I feel like your gauge for what is and is not sexual harassment isn't exactly tuned well.

I already defined what sexual harassment means (to me) in another post.

Harassment is defined as: The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

For something defined as harassment, it should be something that is repeated more than once. The first action is not harassment. If the first action is unwanted, the 2nd action can be considered borderline harassment. Doing it a 3rd time can definitely be considered harassment.

So no, sending a dick pic as the first message to someone is not sexual harassment. It may be indecent exposure, lewd and an unwanted advance, but it doesn't fall under the definition of harassment until the person does it more than once or follow up with additional unwanted advances. And messaging someone on Facebook for a date is definitely not sexual harassment unless the person does it repeatedly after getting declined. At that point, some would consider it persistence, and others consider it harassment...depending on who you ask.
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I understand people wanting to speak about about their experiences, but this seems too much to be shifting the blame away from Hollywood's sick culture and trying to act like it's a societal problem and not one specific to Hollywood. The Catholic Church's sexual misconduct was only addressed at all because it was recognized as a specific institutional problem and they were hounded for it. Talking about rape in general, while valid, in this case takes away from the specific conversation about abuse in Hollywood. It makes me worry that nothing will be done, and Hollywood will be allowed to just continue on its course.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Harassment is defined as: The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

Where do you find your definition? A quick Google search for "sexual harassment" gives this version from dictionary.com:

"harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks."

Another definition of "harassment" states:

"aggressive pressure or intimidation"

Arguably, repetitive actions could be considered aggressive, but I don't think that is the only thing that could be considered "aggressive". Grievous single actions involving unwarranted touching or indecent exposure that jump to a more unacceptable behavior could certainly also fall under that definition.

In either case, there is no explicit mention of repetition, so I have no idea why you deem that must be a criteria. Once is enough and something like a dick pic or flashing your wang at the water cooler is probably enough to warrant come kind of action to be taken regardless what sort of pigeonholed definition you give it.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

So no, sending a dick pic as the first message to someone is not sexual harassment

You're actually crazy, homeboy.
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Ararararagi posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

So no, sending a dick pic as the first message to someone is not sexual harassment

You're actually crazy, homeboy.

He's a redhat, are you surprised?
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To be fair, his definition, I found was taken from legaldictionary.com.

However, the fact that his definition includes the simple word "or", as in:

"repetitive and/or systematic..."

literally means that by his definition that harassment need not be a second or even third time offense.
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snake1989 posted...

I understand people wanting to speak about about their experiences, but this seems too much to be shifting the blame away from Hollywood's sick culture and trying to act like it's a societal problem and not one specific to Hollywood. The Catholic Church's sexual misconduct was only addressed at all because it was recognized as a specific institutional problem and they were hounded for it. Talking about rape in general, while valid, in this case takes away from the specific conversation about abuse in Hollywood. It makes me worry that nothing will be done, and Hollywood will be allowed to just continue on its course.

But it is a societal problem. Every woman has been assaulted or harassed at some point in their life, and most men too. Even if it was unintentional.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

For something defined as harassment, it should be something that is repeated more than once. The first action is not harassment. If the first action is unwanted, the 2nd action can be considered borderline harassment. Doing it a 3rd time can definitely be considered harassment.

So according to your logic, if a guy grabs a girls butt at the bar, its not really sexual harassment unless he does it a couple more times.

If you believe that, then youre truly dense.

Cleo_II posted...

So according to your logic, if a guy grabs a girls butt at the bar, its not really sexual harassment unless he does it a couple more times.

If you believe that, then youre truly dense.

Anything physical is severe enough to be considered sexual harassment. Grabbing someone's butt, groping their breasts is sexual harassment and in some cases, physical assault.

Sending a dick pic is indecent exposure, but sexual harassment? Good luck finding a case of someone getting prosecuted for sexual harassment that wasn't related to a workplace situation or sending it to a minor.

You want to start blurring the lines, then let's talk about people on this board posting unwanted nude and semi-nude photos of men and women.
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shanefu22 posted...

snake1989 posted...

I understand people wanting to speak about about their experiences, but this seems too much to be shifting the blame away from Hollywood's sick culture and trying to act like it's a societal problem and not one specific to Hollywood. The Catholic Church's sexual misconduct was only addressed at all because it was recognized as a specific institutional problem and they were hounded for it. Talking about rape in general, while valid, in this case takes away from the specific conversation about abuse in Hollywood. It makes me worry that nothing will be done, and Hollywood will be allowed to just continue on its course.

But it is a societal problem. Every woman has been assaulted or harassed at some point in their life, and most men too. Even if it was unintentional.

Even if I take your statement to be fully true, this campaign is still serving to draw attention away from the specific Weinstein and Hollywood scandal and re-position it as an indictment of our society. But our society clearly and unequivocally does not approve of his behavior, so I think it's worth recognizing that the only way he perpetuated his own personal rape culture was by hiding it from mainstream culture. Therefore, I think that in this specific case, it's more valuable to talk about the ways in which Weinstein and Hollywood jointly concealed something they knew the wider culture would never stand for, rather than accusing that wider culture of being just as guilty. It blatantly isn't, because within days of this being publicly revealed Weinstein was widely reviled and lost his academy position following the huge scandal that broke.

If this was a problem rooted in wider societal attitudes toward women, I don't think there would have been such a scandal - people would have just accepted it as normal instead of as a heinous crime. There is, however, a cultural problem within Hollywood, hence why this didn't become a scandal internally for so long in spite of it being an open secret.
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snake1989 posted...

Even if I take your statement to be fully true, this campaign is still serving to draw attention away from the specific Weinstein and Hollywood scandal and re-position it as an indictment of our society. But our society clearly and unequivocally does not approve of his behavior, so I think it's worth recognizing that the only way he perpetuated his own personal rape culture was by hiding it from mainstream culture. Therefore, I think that in this specific case, it's more valuable to talk about the ways in which Weinstein and Hollywood jointly concealed something they knew the wider culture would never stand for, rather than accusing that wider culture of being just as guilty. It blatantly isn't, because within days of this being publicly revealed Weinstein was widely reviled and lost his academy position following the huge scandal that broke.

If this was a problem rooted in wider societal attitudes toward women, I don't think there would have been such a scandal - people would have just accepted it as normal instead of as a heinous crime. There is, however, a cultural problem within Hollywood, hence why this didn't become a scandal internally for so long in spite of it being an open secret.

You say there's no wider problem, Yet we're literally sitting in a topic in which a person is defending people that send unsolicited dick pics as not worthy of being considered a form of sexual harassment. It's just something guys do every once in a while, no?
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ShinyMasamuneZ posted...

snake1989 posted...

Even if I take your statement to be fully true, this campaign is still serving to draw attention away from the specific Weinstein and Hollywood scandal and re-position it as an indictment of our society. But our society clearly and unequivocally does not approve of his behavior, so I think it's worth recognizing that the only way he perpetuated his own personal rape culture was by hiding it from mainstream culture. Therefore, I think that in this specific case, it's more valuable to talk about the ways in which Weinstein and Hollywood jointly concealed something they knew the wider culture would never stand for, rather than accusing that wider culture of being just as guilty. It blatantly isn't, because within days of this being publicly revealed Weinstein was widely reviled and lost his academy position following the huge scandal that broke.

If this was a problem rooted in wider societal attitudes toward women, I don't think there would have been such a scandal - people would have just accepted it as normal instead of as a heinous crime. There is, however, a cultural problem within Hollywood, hence why this didn't become a scandal internally for so long in spite of it being an open secret.

You say there's no wider problem, Yet we're literally sitting in a topic in which a person is defending people that send unsolicited dick pics as not worthy of being considered a form of sexual harassment. It's just something guys do every once in a while, no?

And the rest of the posters seem to be ripping him apart, indicating that his values are not widely accepted. Unless you think one user on an internet forum is more representative of wider society than all of the other users on the same forum. One user named GreatEvilEmpire of all things probably shouldn't be the metric by which we infer the values of mainstream society.

I also didn't say there were no wider problems in regards to societal attitudes toward women, just that they have seemingly no bearing on the Weinstein case except as a means to deflect from the very specific cultural factors that allow this to keep happening in Hollywood. Or to deflect from the allegations that Weinstein himself used his power and influence with the NYT to quash the story when it was originally written in 2004, at least according to the original author at the time. By acting as though it's a societal problem, this normalizes their behavior as simply being par-for-course of an allegedly sick society, but Hollywood seems to churn out a lot more drug-addled and sex-abused individuals than wider society does, and also seems much more capable of covering up its indiscretions using money, influence, and threats.
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snake1989 posted...

And the rest of the posters seem to be ripping him apart, indicating that his values are not widely accepted. Unless you think one user on an internet forum is more representative of wider society than all of the other users on the same forum. One user named GreatEvilEmpire of all things probably shouldn't be the metric by which we infer the values of mainstream society.

I also didn't say there were no wider problems in regards to societal attitudes toward women, just that they have seemingly no bearing on the Weinstein case except as a means to deflect from the very specific cultural factors that allow this to keep happening in Hollywood. Or to deflect from the allegations that Weinstein himself used his power and influence with the NYT to quash the story when it was originally written in 2004, at least according to the original author at the time. By acting as though it's a societal problem, this normalizes their behavior as simply being par-for-course of an allegedly sick society, but Hollywood seems to churn out a lot more drug-addled and sex-abused individuals than wider society does, and also seems much more capable of covering up its indiscretions using money, influence, and threats.

For the record, I think what Weinstein did is disgusting. Just because I argue about the meaning of things doesn't mean I support that pig in any way. I support the rights of people who want to date, the right to fail and make mistakes in the dating world and not have it demonized. Sexual harassment of women is wrong.
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