Current Events > Kotaku spoke to the girl who made the allegations against NeoGAF owner EviLore

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Weird, I thought this was a new incident but apparently it's the same one from 2015 that was already reported but people are angry about it now for some reason.

And still no one cares that he was selling revenge porn.

NeoGAF is such a weird place.
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Akagami_Shanks posted...

brief physical relationship

well I guess it didn't affect her as much as she's making it out to be if she ended up fucking him anyway.

Having sex and ending up in a relationship with your abuser isn't that uncommon
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Aeriis posted...

Sami1000 posted...

Then later he *gasp* squeezed someone's butt?

I mean, that is sexual assault...

It happened in a bar, where people drink, and girl was asking for a drink and maybe flirting with him. If it was at somehwere else like in a grocery store, or a buss etc. It would have been really wrong, but even then i wouldn't say the guy should be fucking crucified and his site taken down.
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I'm having trouble figure out what world some of you are living in where barging in on a woman in the bathroom, stripping naked, and getting in the shower with her as your first move is "just an innocent mistake."
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That_Happened posted...

I'm having trouble figure out what world some of you are living in where barging in on a woman in the bathroom, stripping naked, and getting in the shower with her as your first move is "just an innocent mistake."

This.
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Perfectchaos007 posted...

Having sex and ending up in a relationship with your abuser isn't that uncommon

How did he abuse her?
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Creeped her out so bad that she sexed him up anyway.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Perfectchaos007 posted...

Having sex and ending up in a relationship with your abuser isn't that uncommon

How did he abuse her?

sexual harassment is a form of abuse. Then after she rejected his advances, he resented her. Thats emotional abuse.
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That_Happened posted...

I'm having trouble figure out what world some of you are living in where barging in on a woman in the bathroom, stripping naked, and getting in the shower with her as your first move is "just an innocent mistake."

And what perfect seduction stories do you have where everything went exactly as planned? Did you missed the part where he was drunk too? Or maybe you think men are immune to drunken stupidity? You're only focus 5 seconds of an entire night, where signals were sent and signals were misread.

She said no, he backed off. That's all there is to it.
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Perfectchaos007 posted...

sexual harassment is a form of abuse. Then after she rejected his advances, he resented her. Thats emotional abuse.

He didn't sexually harass her. Who hasn't resented people for rejection. It's human nature. If that is your definition for abuse, then everything is abuse.

When the hell did the world get so soft?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Perfectchaos007 posted...

sexual harassment is a form of abuse. Then after she rejected his advances, he resented her. Thats emotional abuse.

He didn't sexually harass her. Who hasn't resented people for rejection? It's human nature. If that is your definition for abuse, then everything is abuse.

When the hell did the world get so soft?

I mean showing your naked body to a woman in an unsolicited fashion has to be sexual harassment otherwise it would be legal to flash your dick to random women in the streets.
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Again, you don't go into a shower uninvited with a chick with a boyfriend. It's just creepy. I wouldn't say it's assault though but whatever.

Though she did bang him later so... maybe she like what she saw and when she broke up with her bf went to hit that.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

That_Happened posted...

I'm having trouble figure out what world some of you are living in where barging in on a woman in the bathroom, stripping naked, and getting in the shower with her as your first move is "just an innocent mistake."

And what perfect seduction stories do you have where everything went exactly as planned?

When things don't "go as planned" usually it's a case of "I thought she was into me so I asked her out but she had a boyfriend" or "we were snuggling on the couch and I tried to kiss her but she backed away". You don't go from flirting with someone you've never been physical with to "Hey I'm going to join your shower unannounced." That's not a simple innocent mistake no matter how hard you wish it was.

Did you missed the part where he was drunk too? Or maybe you think men are immune to drunken stupidity?

If you sexually assault someone while drunk, are you suddenly off the hook? This law is new to me.
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Perfectchaos007 posted...

I mean showing your naked body to a woman in an unsolicited fashion has to be sexual harassment otherwise it would be legal to flash your dick to random women in the streets.

That's called Indecent Exposure.

They're friends. They're in a hotel room. They've been hanging out. In some parts of the world, that's called a date. He wanted to have sex, she didn't. How many times have that happened?

It's not sexual harassment. It's seduction gone wrong.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

They're friends. They're in a hotel room. They've been hanging out. In some parts of the world, that's called a date.

You're hilarious buddy.
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How would you guys react if some naked guy came into the shower while you were in there?

You can argue semantics on what qualifies "abuse", but in what world is it an honest mistake to just join someone in the shower uninvited? Writing it off as them just being drunk or purely speculating whether signals were being tossed really seems like you're reaching to pass this off as excusable behavior.

I'm not even saying throw the book at this guy or string him up because sure we don't know the whole story or whatever, but trying to make excuses for it or treat it like it isn't a super creepy thing to do is just fucked up.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

I'm not even saying throw the book at this guy or string him up because sure we don't know the whole story or whatever, but trying to make excuses for it or treat it like it isn't a super creepy thing to do is just fucked up.

Exactly right.
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Virus731 posted...

Again, you don't go into a shower uninvited with a chick with a boyfriend. It's just creepy. I wouldn't say it's assault though but whatever.

Though she did bang him later so... maybe she like what she saw and when she broke up with her bf went to hit that.

So what if she had a BF? Welcome to the world of dating where some men and women are constantly looking for a stronger mate. People break up and people make up all the time.

Like I said. What he did was stupid, but people are taking things way out of proportion because of their irrational hatred.
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The fact she has a sexual relationship with him later really discredit's her story in my opinion. I know girls don't like being hit on when it's unwelcomed but it's also not okay to lead someone on and then blame them.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

How would you guys react if some naked guy came into the shower while you were in there?

You can argue semantics on what qualifies "abuse", but in what world is it an honest mistake to just join someone in the shower uninvited? Writing it off as them just being drunk or purely speculating whether signals were being tossed really seems like you're reaching to pass this off as excusable behavior.

I'm not even saying throw the book at this guy or string him up because sure we don't know the whole story or whatever, but trying to make excuses for it or treat it like it isn't a super creepy thing to do is just fucked up.

Yes, it's a bit creepy. It's stupid and it's awkward. And yet, that moved probably worked for a lot of men and it may have worked if she wasn't puking in the shower. He probably didn't even know she was puking when he walked in naked.

But you know what, they did had sex eventually. He got it right the 2nd time. Not every seduction will go perfectly. Strong men will make the first move, that's why they get so much sex with women. Men are allowed to make mistakes when there is no intent to harm someone.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Men are allowed to make mistakes when there is no intent to harm someone.

"It's ok your honor. I didn't intend to sexually assault her. I'm free to go."
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That_Happened posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Men are allowed to make mistakes when there is no intent to harm someone.

"It's ok your honor. I didn't intend to sexually assault her. I'm free to go."

Sexual assault implies someone was assaulted... she saw an unsolicited dong from a friend, said no and he backed off. If that's enough to drag someone's name through the mud I think that is fucked up.
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That_Happened posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Men are allowed to make mistakes when there is no intent to harm someone.

"It's ok your honor. I didn't intend to sexually assault her. I'm free to go."

Stop taking my words out of context to keep your loony narrative going. He didn't sexually assault her. He backed off when she said no. That's reality.

Maybe you have this fantasy in your head where things turned out differently, where he sexually assaulted her so you can justify your hatred for him. That_Didn't_Happen.
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Now I'm not disputing this happened but who stays in a hotel room with a guy and gets drunk with him when they have a bf? I'd be getting some mixed feelings if a girl agreed to do that with me and she had a bf.
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glitteringfairy posted...

Now I'm not disputing this happened but who stays in a hotel room with a guy and gets drunk with him when they have a bf? I'd be getting some mixed feelings if a girl agreed to do that with me and she had a bf.

This has been a theme through out the entire topic and the virgins of CE keep saying "that's doesn't mean she wants sex!!!!"

probably because in their experiences no one wants to have sex with them
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Virus731 posted...

she saw an unsolicited dong from a friend

Don't minimize it. Stating it this way makes it seem like she just happened to see a dong by accident from a guy she trusted. What actually happened is a guy she thought she could trust barged in on her while she was naked and vomiting, stripped off his own clothes, and snuck into the shower with her from behind as a surprise.

If that's *not* a reason to drag someone's name through the mud then I think *you're* fucked up.
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Virus731 posted...

probably because in their experiences no one wants to have sex with them

I'm getting that sense but in a different way. A bunch of guys who never get laid thinking "Well if we're alone in a hotel room that might be my ONE CHANCE, so I could see myself doing something similar."
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It's absolutely sexual harassment. Same as sending an unsolictated dick pic would be as well
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That_Happened posted...

I'm getting that sense but in a different way. A bunch of guys who never get laid thinking "Well if we're alone in a hotel room that might be my ONE CHANCE, so I could see myself doing something similar."

lmfao none of these neckbeards would have the balls to try anything like this

in fact, I think you're one of them

The Great Muta 22 posted...

It's absolutely sexual harassment. Same as sending an unsolictated dick pic would be as well

You can't arrest someone for sending a single dick pic and honestly harden up. There are so many worse things in this world that can happen than seeing a penis.
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Virus731 posted...

There are so many worse things in this world that can happen than seeing a penis.

If this was simply "seeing a penis" then I'd agree with you. But this is not that, and you know it.
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That_Happened posted...

Virus731 posted...

There are so many worse things in this world that can happen than seeing a penis.

If this was simply "seeing a penis" then I'd agree with you. But this is not that, and you know it.

It's exactly what happened. She turned around, saw a penis, said back off and then he did. What else happened exactly?
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Virus731 posted...

It's exactly what happened. She turned around, saw a penis, said back off and then he did. What else happened exactly?

If a gay guy who was bigger and stronger than you invited himself into your shower, with the intention of making a move on you, you would not equate that to "oh I just saw another penis." And he was drunk and supposedly couldn't control himself? That's a total mind-fuck and a threat to your safety.
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That_Happened posted...

If a gay guy who was bigger and stronger than you invited himself into your shower, with the intention of making a move on you, you would not equate that to "oh I just saw another penis." And he was drunk and supposedly couldn't control himself? That's a total mind-fuck and a threat to your safety.

No one said he couldn't control himself, where did you get that? He made a faux pas and backed away when it was rejected. Also, it wasn't some random dude, it was her friend. If I had a gay friend bigger and stronger than me I'd be like "Dude, fuck right off ok" which is what I'm assuming she said to him.
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Virus731 posted...

Also, it wasn't some random dude, it was her friend.

And women are regularly raped by guys they considered to be friends. It really shouldn't be that hard to put yourself in her shoes but you really struggle with this.

Asking a girl out who has a boyfriend is a "faux pas". Surprising a naked woman by invading her shower is not a "faux pas." That's fucking horrible.
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That_Happened posted...

And women are regularly raped by guys they considered to be friends. It really shouldn't be that hard to put yourself in her shoes but you really struggle with this.

except you brought the comparison of a gay dude into it so obviously you think it's the same thing

simplifying things is real fun
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lol kotaku
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I think the reason this is also taking long for the guy to make a statement is... Can he take all the butt of jokes of him being known forever as THE NAKED MAN if ever Neogaf returns, I'm sure this thing will always come up.

Can you guys take that if you were in such situation? an owner of the big site branded as the naked man combined with the memes, gifs and youtube videos.
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Perfectchaos007 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Perfectchaos007 posted...

Having sex and ending up in a relationship with your abuser isn't that uncommon

How did he abuse her?

sexual harassment is a form of abuse. Then after she rejected his advances, he resented her. Thats emotional abuse.

This cant be a real post
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Rika_Furude posted...

This cant be a real post

You're telling me. That is some real delusion at work.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Perfectchaos007 posted...

I mean showing your naked body to a woman in an unsolicited fashion has to be sexual harassment otherwise it would be legal to flash your dick to random women in the streets.

That's called Indecent Exposure.

They're friends. They're in a hotel room. They've been hanging out. In some parts of the world, that's called a date.

But walking in naked on a girl throwing up in the shower is not making a move. Youre way too socially inept to be having this argument.
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Waypoint managed to talk to the victim, EviLore and the NeoGAF mods.

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qv384d/inside-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd

"I never meant to out him publicly. I never meant to have any of this happen. It was a story that had come up. Instead of just reposting a hashtag, I thought if I described some more details of certain situations that it would become more real for friends in my life."

The two have not spoken in years, according to Malka. He called Leupp "a deeply disturbed, malicious individual," a characterization Leupp, in an interview with me today, attributed to Malka's attempts to gaslight people over his own behavior.

"It's been a perfect storm of misanthropy and opportunism," said Malka, who described the accusations as "totally ridiculous and baseless."

As for the incident described by Leupp, Malka called it "totally harmonious and consensual."

Leupp, however, said she made no indication the night was to turn sexual.

"I pretty clearly remember closing the door," she said, "maybe not closing it all the way, but closing it enough so that I was protected. I wasn't getting naked in front of him and then going 'Oh, I'm going to puke. You wanna come in the shower with me? That's fucking gross."

She called his insistence that such an advance was consensual "delusional."

The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback.

"I had no reason not to trust him still," she said. "It was a creepy thing, but I tend to give people second chances. He had already invited me to go to E3."

Malka and Leupp did have consensual sex one time after the shower incident.

Their next major interaction came later that year, during their E3 trip to Los Angeles. Malka rented an AirBnB for friends to stay at during the week, and claims that their mutual acquaintances knew Malka's and Leupp's relationship was sexual, as they were sharing a bed. But Leupp disputed the sexual nature of the relationship, and while they were sharing a bed, they never had sex at E3.

"I think he felt rejected, and started pursuing this other girl," she said.

According to Malka, he was upfront about a "mutual romantic interest" also coming on the trip, and it "might lead somewhere." He claims an early interaction between the other woman and Malka proved explosive, and resulting in Leupp becoming "increasingly hostile and bitter. He claims she had "two separate public mental breakdowns" before the trip was over. These breakdowns, insisted Malka, were related to a "history of serious mental illness."

Leupp called both of these insinuations "bullshit." Her confrontations with Malka over the weekend were, according to her, because Malka became aggressive towards her. Leupp was also increasingly uncomfortable over how he was pursuing this other girl, by "trying to get her drunk, being really hands-y, taking her away from the group a lot, and isolating her."

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maybe not closing it all the way, but closing it enough so that I was protected

GAF died for this
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TheAnthraxBunny posted...

But walking in naked on a girl throwing up in the shower is not making a move. Youre way too socially inept to be having this argument.

It's a move, even if it's a stupid one.

Don't try to project your social ineptness on me. I've approached over 100 women in real life. How many have you approached? I know a thing or two about seduction, unlike you incels here.
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That_Happened posted...

Virus731 posted...

probably because in their experiences no one wants to have sex with them

I'm getting that sense but in a different way. A bunch of guys who never get laid thinking "Well if we're alone in a hotel room that might be my ONE CHANCE, so I could see myself doing something similar."

This, have people in this topic seriously not ever been in a situation where they have to share a room with someone of the opposite gender?

I've been in both situations where the room arrangement had implications and in situations where I was with friends and we paired up in hotel rooms to save travel costs. Even drank alcohol!

I mean, I guess this is coming from CE users who also believe that a man can't be just friends with an attractive woman, so I shouldn't be surprised.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

TheAnthraxBunny posted...

But walking in naked on a girl throwing up in the shower is not making a move. Youre way too socially inept to be having this argument.

It's a move, even if it's a stupid one.

Don't try to project your social ineptness on me. I've approached over 100 women in real life. How many have you approached? I know a thing or two about seduction, unlike you incels here.

what the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little incel? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the dating world, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on women in the bathroom, and I have over 300 confirmed approaches.
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literal_garbage posted...

what the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little incel? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the dating world, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on women in the bathroom, and I have over 300 confirmed approaches.

Did you also catch them with PokeBalls?
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Who gets into a shower with a naked girl who's puking?"

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qv384d/inside-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I've approached over 100 women in real life.

And I bet every single one of them were wasted, right? Not that you'd think anything is wrong with that.

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Don't try to project your social ineptness on me.

You have no reason to believe I'm socially inept though. You're the one that seems to have a really hard time understanding boundaries. A lot of socially inept people have that in common with you :/
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TheAnthraxBunny posted...

And I bet every single one of them were wasted, right? Not that you'd think anything is wrong with that.

Without self awareness, how you can be aware of anything in the world? Losers want winners to fail so they can feel good about themselves. It basically sums up what this whole situation is about. But guess what, there will always be winners. Always. I slept with a number of those women and one of them became my wife. Nothing wrong with that all.

You have no reason to believe I'm socially inept though. You're the one that seems to have a really hard time understanding boundaries. A lot of socially inept people have that in common with you :/

I can spot people like you from 2 miles away. You can lied through your teeth, but your actions and mindset betrays you. Who are you trying to convince? CE or yourself?
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