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Soviet_Poland 11/04/17 5:13:51 PM #51:	Godnorgosh posted... r4X0r posted... If you don't think it's fair, then become the capitalist and employ people. "If you don't think it's fair, then partake in it." Some of you are consumed by solipsism. Not everyone who brings this up is looking out only for themselves. Because discussing it on GameFAQs makes you an activist lol. Majority of the discussion here is self-serving too, even if it's in the guise of some important political discourse. People put way too much identity in their political beliefs, more than is healthy, and choose to exude it in every facet of their life. --- "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete." <cite>Soviet_Poland posted [p:889759063] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't think it's fair, then become the capitalist and employ people.</quote> "If you don't think it's fair, then partake in it." Some of you are consumed by solipsism. Not everyone who brings this up is looking out only for themselves.</quote> Because discussing it on GameFAQs makes you an activist lol. Majority of the discussion here is self-serving too, even if it's in the guise of some important political discourse. People put way too much identity in their political beliefs, more than is healthy, and choose to exude it in every facet of their life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/04/17 5:18:38 PM #52:	I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? I'm trying to invest in my own family, but a giant chunk of my paycheck is pissed away through taxes. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:889759307] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? I'm trying to invest in my own family, but a giant chunk of my paycheck is pissed away through taxes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/04/17 5:19:50 PM #53:	r4X0r posted... It's so funny talking with people who took ECON101 at the community college and think they're Peter Schiff. If I own a business and you work for me, and I realize that my business will work fine without you and I fire you, I no longer have to pay your wages. I have more profit. Your wages were cutting into my profit. Without you, I have more profit. I was quite literally, by the simple definition of what "share" means, sharing my profit with you. averagejoel posted... the whole point is that they're not getting enough of it If you don't think you're being paid enough, tell your employer to pay you more, or go find a job that pays you what you think you're worth. in other words, you value money over people --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:889759375] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>It's so funny talking with people who took ECON101 at the community college and think they're Peter Schiff. If I own a business and you work for me, and I realize that my business will work fine without you and I fire you, I no longer have to pay your wages. I have more profit. Your wages were cutting into my profit. Without you, I have more profit. I was quite literally, by the simple definition of what "share" means, sharing my profit with you. <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>the whole point is that they're not getting enough of it</quote> If you don't think you're being paid enough, tell your employer to pay you more, or go find a job that pays you what you think you're worth.</quote> in other words, you value money over people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/04/17 5:21:01 PM #54:	tennisdude818 posted... I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:889759429] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills?</quote> no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/04/17 5:22:10 PM #55:	Nomadic View posted... Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job. All of this, right here. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889759482] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job.</quote> All of this, right here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/04/17 5:23:21 PM #56:	REMercsChamp posted... ArchiePeck posted... The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set. Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce? Why? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889759536] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set.</quote> Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce?</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 5:24:32 PM #57:	darkjedilink posted... REMercsChamp posted... ArchiePeck posted... The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set. Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce? Why? Because they're people. People come before money. --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889759589] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set.</quote> Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce?</quote> Why?</quote> Because they're people. People come before money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/04/17 5:24:53 PM #58:	averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:889759610] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills?</quote> no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from</quote> This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 11/04/17 5:26:35 PM #60:	Godnorgosh posted... r4X0r posted... If you don't think you're being paid enough, tell your employer to pay you more, or go find a job that pays you what you think you're worth. There are far, far more workers than there are jobs that pay the true value of the labor being done. Your solution is an individualist one which disregards capitalism's obvious systemic failures. Who gets to decide what the "true value" is absent price? --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:889759692] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't think you're being paid enough, tell your employer to pay you more, or go find a job that pays you what you think you're worth.</quote> There are far, far more workers than there are jobs that pay the true value of the labor being done. Your solution is an individualist one which disregards capitalism's obvious systemic failures.</quote> Who gets to decide what the "true value" is absent price?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 11/04/17 5:28:26 PM #61:	darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job. All of this, right here. What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits" --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:889759786] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job.</quote> All of this, right here.</quote> What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 11/04/17 5:38:35 PM #63:	tennisdude818 posted... averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what. ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:889760286] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills?</quote> no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from</quote> This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what.</quote> ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brandunh11 11/04/17 5:45:54 PM #65:	Godnorgosh posted... The workers themselves would agree on what their labor is worth. Not their employers. Thats never been how the value of ANYTHING is determined. Supply and demand determines the value of something and that includes the price of labor. --- http://i.imgur.com/MDQBi2C.jpg http://tinyurl.com/TooMuchMonta <cite>brandunh11 posted [p:889760650] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>The workers themselves would agree on what their labor is worth. Not their employers.</quote> Thats never been how the value of ANYTHING is determined. Supply and demand determines the value of something and that includes the price of labor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 11/04/17 5:49:33 PM #66:	averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what. ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills If socialists get to decide what I own and earn, then yes it does. The value of my labor is the business of me and the people I'm trading my time for money with. It's nobody else's business. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:889760849] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills?</quote> no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from</quote> This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what.</quote> ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills</quote> If socialists get to decide what I own and earn, then yes it does. The value of my labor is the business of me and the people I'm trading my time for money with. It's nobody else's business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 5:51:12 PM #67:	brandunh11 posted... Godnorgosh posted... The workers themselves would agree on what their labor is worth. Not their employers. Thats never been how the value of ANYTHING is determined. Supply and demand determines the value of something and that includes the price of labor. Sure, in your capitalist, money-loving society that exploits workers --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889760932] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>brandunh11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>The workers themselves would agree on what their labor is worth. Not their employers.</quote> Thats never been how the value of ANYTHING is determined. Supply and demand determines the value of something and that includes the price of labor.</quote> Sure, in your capitalist, money-loving society that exploits workers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Black462 11/04/17 5:53:24 PM #68:	Nomadic View posted... Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job. This I dont see why anyone could honestly complain. Its all selfishness. --- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NF9FVxumXLk/maxresdefault.jpg <cite>Black462 posted [p:889761057] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job.</quote> This I dont see why anyone could honestly complain. Its all selfishness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lderivedx 11/04/17 6:12:04 PM #71:	Between a CEO and a worker, I don't think the CEO is the one that'll be in trouble if the company goes under. --- i cant get off unless we're violating at least four OSHA regulations <cite>lderivedx posted [p:889762034] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote>Between a CEO and a worker, I don't think the CEO is the one that'll be in trouble if the company goes under.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/04/17 6:17:55 PM #72:	tennisdude818 posted... averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what. ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills If socialists get to decide what I own and earn, then yes it does. The value of my labor is the business of me and the people I'm trading my time for money with. It's nobody else's business. if you're making more than your employees while not doing any work yourself, then guess what... you are exploiting them --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:889762341] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills?</quote> no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from</quote> This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what.</quote> ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills</quote> If socialists get to decide what I own and earn, then yes it does. The value of my labor is the business of me and the people I'm trading my time for money with. It's nobody else's business.</quote> if you're making more than your employees while not doing any work yourself, then guess what... you are exploiting them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 11/04/17 6:18:43 PM #73:	Please, comrade. Why so angry? --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:889762380] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote>Please, comrade. Why so angry?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/04/17 6:19:11 PM #74:	loafy013 posted... darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job. All of this, right here. What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits" Do you even know how companies start? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889762405] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job.</quote> All of this, right here.</quote> What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits"</quote> Do you even know how companies start?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/04/17 6:20:15 PM #75:	averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... averagejoel posted... tennisdude818 posted... I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills? no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what. ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills If socialists get to decide what I own and earn, then yes it does. The value of my labor is the business of me and the people I'm trading my time for money with. It's nobody else's business. if you're making more than your employees while not doing any work yourself, then guess what... you are exploiting them If you're so concerned about your boss not paying you enough, how about you quit and start your own business, instead of trying to steal someone else's property? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889762459] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>I work my ass off on nights and weekends at a high stress job that enables me to learn a lot. I don't want to do this forever, but I'm choosing to do it now. I'm not being exploited. What mental gymnastics do you use to justify forcing me to pay other people's bills?</quote> no one has said anything about you paying other people's bills, and I have no idea where this is coming from</quote> This topic is about stealing the means of production from market participants. The socialists get to decide who owns what.</quote> ... which has nothing to do with you paying other people's bills</quote> If socialists get to decide what I own and earn, then yes it does. The value of my labor is the business of me and the people I'm trading my time for money with. It's nobody else's business.</quote> if you're making more than your employees while not doing any work yourself, then guess what... you are exploiting them</quote> If you're so concerned about your boss not paying you enough, how about you quit and start your own business, instead of trying to steal someone else's property?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 6:20:56 PM #76:	darkjedilink posted... loafy013 posted... darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job. All of this, right here. What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits" Do you even know how companies start? Comrade darkjedilink, they start by the wealthy bourgeoisie owning the means of production and exploiting laborers to reap record profits for themselves. --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889762495] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job.</quote> All of this, right here.</quote> What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits"</quote> Do you even know how companies start?</quote> Comrade darkjedilink, they start by the wealthy bourgeoisie owning the means of production and exploiting laborers to reap record profits for themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 11/04/17 6:29:26 PM #77:	REMercsChamp posted... So a capitalist who owns the means of production makes millions of profits for himself a year, while the guys actually DOING the work are having their labor exploited. It's just not fucking fair. You forgot your gimmick --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:889762964] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>So a capitalist who owns the means of production makes millions of profits for himself a year, while the guys actually DOING the work are having their labor exploited. It's just not fucking fair.</quote> You forgot your gimmick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinksLiege 11/04/17 6:30:07 PM #78:	It's terrifying that some of the people in this topic are allowed to vote. --- This is LinksLiege's signature. It is fantastic. <cite>LinksLiege posted [p:889763012] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote>It's terrifying that some of the people in this topic are allowed to vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Black462 11/04/17 7:37:04 PM #79:	REMercsChamp posted... ArchiePeck posted... The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set. Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce? These people would get payed less. --- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NF9FVxumXLk/maxresdefault.jpg <cite>Black462 posted [p:889766425] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set.</quote> Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce?</quote> These people would get payed less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/04/17 11:03:50 PM #80:	REMercsChamp posted... darkjedilink posted... loafy013 posted... darkjedilink posted... Nomadic View posted... Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job. All of this, right here. What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits" Do you even know how companies start? Comrade darkjedilink, they start by the wealthy bourgeoisie owning the means of production and exploiting laborers to reap record profits for themselves. Close. Most businesses aren't started by people anyone would consider "wealthy" by any means. The guy who started Papa Johns sold his only car to buy a pizza oven that he put in his dad's shop. The guy I work for opened his mechanic shop in a run-down gas station with a couple hundred thousand dollars in loans. The vast majority of businesses and employers are family-owned small businesses, most certainly NOT run by anyone we'd consider "wealthy." And you're right - they own the means of production. Operative word being "own," as in, it's their property - NOT the property of the employees in any way, shape, or form. And this is why Communism ALWAYS fails - it literally requires theft of businesses from people who, as a general rule, know more about those businesses than their employees. Think about it - do you think that the average cashier at a Walmart could run a store - much less the whole company? The average McDonald's employee? Bank teller? If they could, they likely would be. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889780483] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is. The CEO takes all the financial risk. The laborer is free to leave at any time if he doesnt like the job.</quote> All of this, right here.</quote> What risk? You mean being able to write off the loses? We are living in a world where companies "socialize the losses, but privatize the profits"</quote> Do you even know how companies start?</quote> Comrade darkjedilink, they start by the wealthy bourgeoisie owning the means of production and exploiting laborers to reap record profits for themselves.</quote> Close. Most businesses aren't started by people anyone would consider "wealthy" by any means. The guy who started Papa Johns sold his only car to buy a pizza oven that he put in his dad's shop. The guy I work for opened his mechanic shop in a run-down gas station with a couple hundred thousand dollars in loans. The vast majority of businesses and employers are family-owned small businesses, most certainly NOT run by anyone we'd consider "wealthy." And you're right - they own the means of production. Operative word being "own," as in, it's their property - NOT the property of the employees in any way, shape, or form. And this is why Communism ALWAYS fails - it literally requires theft of businesses from people who, as a general rule, know more about those businesses than their employees. Think about it - do you think that the average cashier at a Walmart could run a store - much less the whole company? The average McDonald's employee? Bank teller? If they could, they likely would be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 11/05/17 7:00:14 AM #81:	Black462 posted... REMercsChamp posted... ArchiePeck posted... The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set. Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce? These people would get payed less. The math doesn't check out. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:889793223] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Black462 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set.</quote> Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce?</quote> These people would get payed less.</quote> The math doesn't check out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 11/05/17 7:59:52 AM #82:	Kineth posted... Black462 posted... REMercsChamp posted... ArchiePeck posted... The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set. Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce? These people would get payed less. The math doesn't check out. Yeah, it does. Most businesses only make about 3% profit. Oh, and what if the business LOSES money? Clearly, if all profits are solely the responsibility of the workers, so are losses. Would you say a business losing money means that the workers compensate their employers for the loss? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889794486] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Black462 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>The people doing the labor can negotiate a price they think they are worth. If they can get paid better for their skills elsewhere, they can leave and go there. If they can't get substantially better wages somewhere else, perhaps they need to increase their skill set.</quote> Or how about the owners actually share the profits and pay people for what they produce?</quote> These people would get payed less.</quote> The math doesn't check out.</quote> Yeah, it does. Most businesses only make about 3% profit. Oh, and what if the business LOSES money? Clearly, if all profits are solely the responsibility of the workers, so are losses. Would you say a business losing money means that the workers compensate their employers for the loss?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/06/17 11:45:26 AM #83:	darkjedilink posted... Clearly, if all profits are solely the responsibility of the workers, so are losses. Would you say a business losing money means that the workers compensate their employers for the loss? no because there wouldn't be any bosses if the workers owned things --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:889866311] in What menta... [t:75954783]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Clearly, if all profits are solely the responsibility of the workers, so are losses. Would you say a business losing money means that the workers compensate their employers for the loss?</quote> no because there wouldn't be any bosses if the workers owned things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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