Poll of the Day > Why do Atheists want so much to convert Christians into non-believers?

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Leave Xtians in peace
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Seems like you got that backwards. Either way, though:

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Because religious people are ruining the planet with their bullshit.
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DistantMemory posted...

Seems like you got that backwards.

Not really. It's not usually presented as "you must convert to the church of Dawkins," so I can understand your confusion, but a good many atheists are quite aggressive about trying to convince religious people they shouldn't be religious.
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adjl posted...

DistantMemory posted...

Seems like you got that backwards.

Not really. It's not usually presented as "you must convert to the church of Dawkins," so I can understand your confusion, but a good many atheists are quite aggressive about trying to convince religious people they shouldn't be religious.

Yes really. You can judge your perception of atheists based on Internet activity on whichever obscure forum if you like, but out there in the meatspace it ain't atheists that are knocking on people's doors or trying to legislate their theological views.

DistantMemory posted...

but out there in the meatspace it ain't atheists that are knocking on people's doors or trying to legislate their theological views.

It's pretty much just Mormons and JW's knocking on people's doors, and you definitely do get atheists trying to legislate the atheist equivalent of theological views (deeply-held moral beliefs, namely).

Jen0125 posted...

Because religious people are ruining the planet with their bullshit.

Also not really. Most of the "ruining the planet" going on is a consequence of unchecked greed, which is the opposite of what most religions preach. That's not to say there aren't a whole lot of bad things going on in the name of some religion or another, but in terms of catastrophic global implications, it's those worshiping at the Temple of Mammon that you need to really worry about.
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Because its funny

I don't have time or energy to go around trying to convert random people to believe anything
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adjl posted...

Also not really. Most of the "ruining the planet" going on is a consequence of unchecked greed, which is the opposite of what most religions preach.

But a lot of that uses religion as an easy way to grab people. Religion is a very powerful tool that you can use to sell an idea.
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Jen 125 abortions
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Adjl what religions preach and what their followers do are two totally different things. I'm not interested in arguing with you and I also don't spend my time trying to convert people to be non-believers so it's really a non issue.
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Jen0125 posted...

Because religious people are ruining the planet with their bullshit.

Wrong, so very wrong.
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cause everyone should be tired of Christian supremacy
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What year is it, like what is it based on?

adjl posted...

DistantMemory posted...

Seems like you got that backwards.

Not really. It's not usually presented as "you must convert to the church of Dawkins," so I can understand your confusion, but a good many atheists are quite aggressive about trying to convince religious people they shouldn't be religious.

Also, the Christians (if they're doing it right, according to their greatest commandments) should be trying to reach others in love in an effort to "save" them from a bad outcome.

Atheists on the other hand (especially on the internet), tend to reach others with condescension at best and hate at worst, in an effort to make religious people feel like idiots. They don't give a shit about the outcome of religious people.
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lmao oh its toe-fucker again. Looking forward to your next ban.
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impatientperson posted...

But a lot of that uses religion as an easy way to grab people. Religion is a very powerful tool that you can use to sell an idea.

You can, but most of the money-related ills facing the world have nothing to do with religion. They're more about people exploiting other people and/or the planet for money, and you don't need religion to do that.

Jen0125 posted...

Adjl what religions preach and what their followers do are two totally different things.

That's axiomatically false. If a follower of a religion doesn't follow what that religion preaches, they aren't a follower of the religion. Literally by definition.

shipwreckers posted...

Atheists on the other hand (especially on the internet), tend to reach others with condescension at best and hate at worst, in an effort to make religious people feel like idiots. They don't give a s*** about the outcome of religious people.

Most atheist proselytizing is indeed more about self-righteous condescension, largely from teenagers who just discovered Dawkins and feel super-duper smart, but it is important to recognize that most atheists don't push it on other people, much like most religious people don't push it on other people. It's no more fair to paint all atheists with the same brush than it is to act like all Christians are Mormons, or like all Muslims are terrorists.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Because religious people are ruining the planet with their bullshit.

Right, so very right.

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That's axiomatically false. If a follower of a religion doesn't follow what that religion preaches, they aren't a follower of the religion. Literally by definition.

Oh, so there are no religious people, cool

RCtheWSBC posted...

lmao oh its toe-fucker again. Looking forward to your next ban.

I don't care if I get banned, but you're one stinky n1ggr3ess
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Goodness, you're an idiot. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.
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Well that escalated quickly

MICHALECOLE posted...

Well that escalated quickly

Gfaqs needs to bring back KOS and user map bans.
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i've had Christians harass me far more than atheists but I do live in a "bible belt"

one time was when I worked fast food and we got a usual sunday crowd, and this guy would always talk to me about coming to their church. I finally told him "you do realize i'm working here every sunday cleaning up after you guys right. this is our busiest day, they ain't gonna let me off"

and another case where a co-worker wouldn't stop preaching to me all shift because he found out I was agnostic.

other cases too but those where the ones that came to mind as of making this post.
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TC I hope you know it doesn't matter if you delete your posts once they're marked.
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oh
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And I surely marked them. ;)
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If he really didn't care about being banned he wouldn't hide his bullshit by deleting those posts.
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And suspended. Good game, TC.
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Will the administration please try a little harder to keep him off this website? I remember when I couldn't make a new account for nearly 2 months after racking up consecutive ToS violations. He was back within the week.
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No, they won't.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

That's axiomatically false. If a follower of a religion doesn't follow what that religion preaches, they aren't a follower of the religion. Literally by definition.

Oh, so there are no religious people, cool

Oh, there can be religious people. It's just that a whole lot of them kind of make up their own religion instead of actually following the one they claim to follow.

mooreandrew58 posted...

i've had Christians harass me far more than atheists but I do live in a "bible belt"

It is very much a regional thing. That's one of the reasons the Internet inflates people's sense of atheists' aggression, since atheists aren't the minority online that they are in much of the real world.
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They're worst than religious people haha

MoreRpgs posted...

They're worst than religious people haha

Eh, it's not really something you can generalize. Some atheists are more obnoxious than some religious people, and vice versa.
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posers. true atheists don't give a shit what you believe, ok?
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They don't. Just as the majority of Christians (no longer) try to convert people.

Then again, no atheist has ever told my mother that she, my sisters and I are going to hell for not being Christians(Catholic)
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adjl posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

That's axiomatically false. If a follower of a religion doesn't follow what that religion preaches, they aren't a follower of the religion. Literally by definition.

Oh, so there are no religious people, cool

Oh, there can be religious people. It's just that a whole lot of them kind of make up their own religion instead of actually following the one they claim to follow.

mooreandrew58 posted...

i've had Christians harass me far more than atheists but I do live in a "bible belt"

It is very much a regional thing. That's one of the reasons the Internet inflates people's sense of atheists' aggression, since atheists aren't the minority online that they are in much of the real world.

yeah I got into an argument with a friend online once, religion was apart of it. and he spouted off with "we must be living in two different americas" in kind of a snarky way trying to downplay my side of the argument, to which I had to reply "we sort of do, you live on the west coast and I live in the south east. i'm pretty sure there is a difference"
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FolkenRawr posted...

Then again, no atheist has ever told my mother that she, my sisters and I are going to hell for not being Christians(Catholic)

To be fair, that's a pretty meaningless comment to anyone that doesn't already believe in Hell. It's still mean-spirited, but it's kind of like trying to curse a Jewish person by saying "may you never eat bacon again!"
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mooreandrew58 posted...

yeah I got into an argument with a friend online once, religion was apart of it. and he spouted off with "we must be living in two different americas" in kind of a snarky way trying to downplay my side of the argument, to which I had to reply "we sort of do, you live on the west coast and I live in the south east. i'm pretty sure there is a difference"

Eeyup. America's not exactly culturally uniform even when you don't count immigrants (though technically every non-native culture in America was an immigrant one at some point, so defining that is hard, but that's beside the point). There are many different Americas, which is weird to realize when using the Internet to pretend everyone's right next to you.
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cause most athiests are left wingers and left wingers have the motto "do as arv says not as arv does"
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You can easily reverse that question for any group. Its because some people are pushy, and arrogantly convinced of their own rightness. Atheists are no less immune to this mindset and attitude then Monotheists, Polytheists and Agnostics are.
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adjl posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

yeah I got into an argument with a friend online once, religion was apart of it. and he spouted off with "we must be living in two different americas" in kind of a snarky way trying to downplay my side of the argument, to which I had to reply "we sort of do, you live on the west coast and I live in the south east. i'm pretty sure there is a difference"

Eeyup. America's not exactly culturally uniform even when you don't count immigrants (though technically every non-native culture in America was an immigrant one at some point, so defining that is hard, but that's beside the point). There are many different Americas, which is weird to realize when using the Internet to pretend everyone's right next to you.

eh i'm of the belief anyone born here is native. when you get down to it, everyone is pretty much a immigrant to everywhere, if you go by the scientific findings pointing to all human life started in africa.

but yeah its like people forget USA is a rather large country. every state has differing laws as well which I feel probably affects how people act to a slight degree, and then rural life and city life can be damn near night and day, even if within the same region.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

I don't have time or energy to go around trying to convert random people to believe anything

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mooreandrew58 posted...

eh i'm of the belief anyone born here is native. when you get down to it, everyone is pretty much a immigrant to everywhere,

That's why it does get hard to draw the line between what cultures are American and what cultures are immigrant, and why it's silly for so many people to be so afraid of refugees bringing their different cultures into America and crushing American culture. For one thing, there is no single "American culture" to be crushed. For another, immigrants have been bringing their cultures and throwing them into America's melting pot for as long as America has existed. It's just that a lot of those cultures have been around for long enough that people forget that.
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I can only judge from personal experience but I havent met a single atheist that tried to convert anyone to atheism.
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

I can only judge from personal experience but I havent met a single atheist that tried to convert anyone to atheism.

Have you ever met anyone that said religion was dumb, or otherwise openly looked down on it?
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adjl posted...

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

I can only judge from personal experience but I havent met a single atheist that tried to convert anyone to atheism.

Have you ever met anyone that said religion was dumb, or otherwise openly looked down on it?

Of course. Thats not trying to convert anyone though. Being intolerant of someone elses beliefs is not the same thing as attempting to convert them.

I mean Ive met Christians who look down on any belief system that isnt theirs. Thats simply intolerant. Attempting to convert someone is something you actively have to do. Simply having a religious debate with someone and saying Your beliefs are stupid doesnt qualify.
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adjl posted...

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

I can only judge from personal experience but I havent met a single atheist that tried to convert anyone to atheism.

Have you ever met anyone that said religion was dumb, or otherwise openly looked down on it?

to be fair thats different than actively trying to convert people. having an opinion isn't the same as trying to make people believe it to. there is a fine line in there somewhere between the two though.

I mean cause if that is attempts at converting, then any christian who spews bible versus, openly talks about christianity in a positive manner on the regular is doing the same
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mooreandrew58 posted...

adjl posted...

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

I can only judge from personal experience but I havent met a single atheist that tried to convert anyone to atheism.

Have you ever met anyone that said religion was dumb, or otherwise openly looked down on it?

to be fair thats different than actively trying to convert people. having an opinion isn't the same as trying to make people believe it to. there is a fine line in there somewhere between the two though.

I mean cause if that is attempts at converting, then any christian who spews bible versus, openly talks about christianity in a positive manner on the regular is doing the same

This.
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adjl posted...

You can, but most of the money-related ills facing the world have nothing to do with religion. They're more about people exploiting other people and/or the planet for money, and you don't need religion to do that.

Sure but a lot of them (the social problems mainly) are also based in either racism or religious prejudice. There are so many laws that are based on stupid/antiquated religious principles.
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