Current Events > A chart on deaths by guns in different countries

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http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/one-chart-blows-all-liberal-gun-control-arguments-to-pieces

The link name is kinda funny. But yeah, interesting information to take into consideration. I do think we need a more thorough check up on mental health though before purchasing a firearm.
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All the article needs is a black pro-life transwoman presenting the chart.
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What people really need to take away from that photo is that Sweden and Norway have a lot of guns too.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

What people really need to take away from that photo is that Sweden and Norway have a lot of guns too.

And their gun laws are exactly the same as in America too, right?
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Interesting right?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

And their gun laws are exactly the same as in America too, right?

Not different enough to stop Anders Breivik.

But to reiterate, all freedoms come with a price.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

And their gun laws are exactly the same as in America too, right?

Not different enough to stop Anders Breivik.

But to reiterate, all freedoms come with a price.

How many mass shootings have they had since Breivik? How many has America had in the same time period? Why is it that America pays a steeper price for their freedoms compared to those two countries?

And you never answered my original question; do they have the same exact gun laws as America does?
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I think the stats state there's actually more deaths from gun violence, mass shootings included, in other countries around the world. More deaths than the US I'm pretty sure what that article is stating as a fact. Not are the gun laws the same. Different..

A study sanctioned by Obama, btw.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

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I think the stats state there's actually more deaths from gun violence, mass shootings included, in other countries around the world. More deaths than the US I'm pretty sure what that article is stating as a fact. Not are the gun laws the same. Different..

A study sanctioned by Obama, btw.

I don't know about you but I don't like to pat myself on the back by comparing my nation to a failed state like Venezuela.
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It's almost like the top ten countries are third world shit holes
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A_Good_Boy posted...

How many mass shootings have they had since Breivik? How many has America had in the same time period? Why is it that America pays a steeper price for their freedoms compared to those two countries?

Well the US does have a population that is more than 20x their combined population so you'd expect it to happen ~20x or whatever it is more here in total if it were the same rate.
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Again, it kind of sounds to me like a strawman falacy.

I bring up concrete facts and the rebuttal is "Well over here we have.."

Is it not a fact that there are more deaths from gun violence in other countries, and that US is actually not the most violent when it comes to gun violence/deaths?
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Anyone who actually thinks the US is the most violent has been living in a hell of a bubble. Usually people specify by saying "within the first world" or "within the developed world" or something, but some people have gotten into the habit of leaving that part out, which makes the statement insanely incorrect.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

How many mass shootings have they had since Breivik? How many has America had in the same time period? Why is it that America pays a steeper price for their freedoms compared to those two countries?

Well the US does have a population that is more than 20x their combined population so you'd expect it to happen ~20x or whatever it is more here in total if it were the same rate.

You still dodging that question bud?
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FaytlessHearts posted...

Again, it kind of sounds to me like a strawman falacy.

I bring up concrete facts and the rebuttal is "Well over here we have.."

Is it not a fact that there are more deaths from gun violence in other countries, and that US is actually not the most violent when it comes to gun violence/deaths?

Do you also congratulate yourself for coloring inside the lines better than your nieces and nephews?
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Sweden does mandatory conscription, and when you finish your term you get to keep your gun. So basically all adults have a gun but they also passed the military background checks and are deemed stable normal human beings.
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I don't know if you can attribute the price to the freedom.

Vermont has some of the least gun control in the US. Why does it also have one of the lowest homicide rates? Same with Utah.

I think that reveals that it is other factors that are the most important.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

Again, it kind of sounds to me like a strawman falacy.

I bring up concrete facts and the rebuttal is "Well over here we have.."

Is it not a fact that there are more deaths from gun violence in other countries, and that US is actually not the most violent when it comes to gun violence/deaths?

I dunno man, if you want to pat yourself on the back for having less gun deaths than fucking Colombia and Swaziland, you go ahead and do that
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lilORANG posted...

Sweden does mandatory conscription, and when you finish your term you get to keep your gun. So basically all adults have a gun but they also passed the military background checks and are deemed stable normal human beings.

Are you getting confused with Switzerland? Though Sweden did recently bring back conscription I think. I don't know if they get to keep their guns though. They do in Switzerland.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

lilORANG posted...

Sweden does mandatory conscription, and when you finish your term you get to keep your gun. So basically all adults have a gun but they also passed the military background checks and are deemed stable normal human beings.

Are you getting confused with Switzerland? Though Sweden did recently bring back conscription I think. I don't know if they get to keep their guns though. They do in Switzerland.

idk, probs.
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I always thought the argument was that America had more mass shootings than other developed nations.

Also, unsurprised that we're seeing another radical right-wing extremist site being used as a "legitimate" source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist-papers-project/
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I'm just trying to redirect readers from the strawman falacy that you people have implemented and get back to the actual facts and statistics that are so outrageously ignored or quoted for being wrong. It is almost like the people who are too ignorant to accept it are just flat out uneducated or at the very least brainwashed into believing misinformation..

It's no pat on the back, it's literally just stating fact. Again, this study was given the green light from Obama himself.
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this site lol
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That_Happened posted...

I always thought the argument was that America had more mass shootings than other developed nations.

Also, unsurprised that we're seeing another radical right-wing extremist site being used as a "legitimate" source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist-papers-project/

Honestly all media is bogus. Take it with a grain of salt and you form your own opinion. But are you also the kind to believe fox news and cnn? Both of which have been proven to produce "fake news"?
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FaytlessHearts posted...

Honestly all media is bogus. Take it with a grain of salt and you form your own opinion.

There's a difference between someone who lies to you every once in a while and someone who lies to you every time they speak. Those two people are not on the same level of trustworthiness.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

Honestly all media is bogus.

It's not so much "bogus" as it is gross and rampant confirmation bias.
Report the news that supports your agenda. Ignore or downplay the rest.

Sativa_Rose posted...

What people really need to take away from that photo is that Sweden and Norway have a lot of guns too.

They also have the populations that are the same or lower than NYC, and completely homogeneous societies that respect rule of law far more than some groups do in the U.S. Not remotely comparable on a national scale.
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That_Happened posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Honestly all media is bogus. Take it with a grain of salt and you form your own opinion.

There's a difference between someone who lies to you every once in a while and someone who lies to you every time they speak. Those two people are not on the same level of trustworthiness.

Again, being vague..

Are you trying to discretely say you trust cnn but not fox? Even though both are equally horrible? I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to get at, and it's literally all over the place so I am confused here.

Also, wtf. Why did you just justify lying at all? So now it is alright to lie? Holy shit what the fuck. Please don't have children and instill that it's okay to lie with them.
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The Admiral posted...

societies that respect rule of law far more than some groups do in the U.S.

Agreed. There are some groups in the US that don't respect the law at all. I find it disgusting. These groups are doing tremendous damage to the fabric of our society.

What groups am I talking about? I am sure you already know.

The DNC
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Sativa_Rose posted...

DNC

Pretty much anyone who votes Democrat tbh
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Less people* shot to death in generally peaceful country than other country ravaged by famine and war.

News at 11.

*percentages
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FaytlessHearts posted...

That_Happened posted...

I always thought the argument was that America had more mass shootings than other developed nations.

Also, unsurprised that we're seeing another radical right-wing extremist site being used as a "legitimate" source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist-papers-project/

Honestly all media is bogus. Take it with a grain of salt and you form your own opinion. But are you also the kind to believe fox news and cnn? Both of which have been proven to produce "fake news"?

He believes CNN wholeheartedly, along with WaPo, HuffPo, Vox, and Vice, because he's a racist liberal nutjob.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

That_Happened posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

Honestly all media is bogus. Take it with a grain of salt and you form your own opinion.

There's a difference between someone who lies to you every once in a while and someone who lies to you every time they speak. Those two people are not on the same level of trustworthiness.

Again, being vague..

Are you trying to discretely say you trust cnn but not fox? Even though both are equally horrible? I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to get at, and it's literally all over the place so I am confused here.

I'm laughing at your attempt to compare radical right wing extremist site "The Federalist Papers" to the likes of Fox or CNN. Fox and CNN at least have some journalistic integrity, and your suggestion that "honestly, all media is bogus" can't handwave the fact that you posted a conspiracy site.

Also, wtf. Why did you just justify lying at all? So now it is alright to lie? Holy shit what the fuck. Please don't have children and instill that it's okay to lie with them.

This type of frantic mentally unstable thought process is the type of shit you'd see on Infowars. No wonder your frequent garbage rags.
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I just can't even believe he just tried justifying lying at all.

If I catch you in one lie, how the fuck can I trust you again? Oh sorry I lied last time, I promise I'm not lying this time. What? Dude what the fuck. I can't even wrap my head around that.

To your above statement, I'm laughing at the fact you clearly believe people that lie to you. That's like saying you caught a dude busting in your wife, then you forgave her and let her be around the same guy, and she promises she's not hitting it again.

Like wut. Wut the fuck kind of logic is that? You literally lost all debateable integrity with me man, I'm done discussing anything with you in this topic because you clearly aren't fully there mentally if you believe people are sincere, that are caught lying to you in the first place..
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darkjedilink posted...

He believes CNN wholeheartedly, along with WaPo, HuffPo, Vox, and Vice, because he's a racist liberal nutjob.

Remember when you repeatedly defended Neo Nazis in Charlottesville, and then blamed liberals for your wife leaving your useless, pathetic, shitposting ass? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

If I catch you in one lie, how the fuck can I trust you again?

Yet you posted a link from The Federalist Papers Project, which lies on a consistent basis, and called it "interesting information to take into consideration."

Explain.
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That_Happened posted...

FaytlessHearts posted...

If I catch you in one lie, how the fuck can I trust you again?

Yet you posted a link from The Federalist Papers Project, which lies on a consistent basis, and called it "interesting information to take into consideration."

Explain.

I'm not explaining anything to you dude. No matter what anyone says, you've already stated you believe liar A over liar B and justified that it's OK to lie in general. I hope you have a good, and safe day sir.
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FaytlessHearts posted...

I'm not explaining anything

No surprises there. Glad you're taking the L.

FaytlessHearts posted...

If I catch you in one lie, how the fuck can I trust you again?

I just can't even believe he just tried justifying lying at all.

Notes: The Federalist Papers Project has overt right wing bias in reporting. It often publishes misleading news stories and conspiracies that amount to fake news. Has a horrible track record with fact checking. (9/12/2016) Updated (6/20/2017)

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This guy is being a real donald trump right now. @That_Happened do you support trump? Cuz I think you do.

"FAKE NEWS!! O btw i lied and it's great, I'm great so it's alright as long as it's just that one lie, trust me"
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It always cracks me up to see admiral use the term "homogenous society" in discussions like this. Literally saying the reason we have more gun violence here is because of minorities.
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Sounds like that chart has pissed people off already.
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only cops should have guns
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If you add up all the mass shooting deaths from the last 50 years, there were 974 victims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

The number is higher if you include accidents, robberies, and family disputes. But those are still as rare as mass shootings, all things considered. In a single Islamic terror attack in Nice, France, a truck driver killed 86 people and injured 458 others. Almost a tenth of 50 years' worth of mass shootings in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack

There are over 300 million guns in America. Over 330 million people. And yet politicians and leftists want us to believe that we have a gun issue, despite the fact that 99.9% of the people who own guns are never implicated in any such violence.

Each year, approximately 30,000 people die in car accidents. That number used to be much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

250,000 deaths per year are due to medical errors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/03/researchers-medical-errors-now-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-united-states

Meanwhile, in 2017 alone, there were 2,118 verified instances of home invasion and 1,736 verified instances of defensive usage of a gun outside of home invasions. These numbers across the same 50 year period are astronomically higher than the number of mass shooting deaths.

So why are leftists insisting on banning firearms? Note that this is referring to the leftists here who have outright said they want to ban firearms. I'm not addressing the people who want more regulations or who want to use regulation as a stepping stone for a ban.

Yes, the number of gun deaths per year is higher if you include gang violence and suicides. But that'd be a disingenuous way to frame the issue, because gang violence and suicides are in their own categories. We're concerned with public safety, and mass shootings are the relevant category here.

Based on the data alone, there is NO real risk to public safety. The mass shootings we've seen recently are anomalies, and while we should definitely take steps and precautions to ensure that they don't happen again.....gun ownership is clearly not to blame.

One thing I see from that chart is there is a strong correlation between American imperialism and gun deaths
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theAteam posted...

One thing I see from that chart is there is a strong correlation between American imperialism and gun deaths

"It's always America's fault!"

literally the federalist
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ScazarMeltex posted...

It always cracks me up to see admiral use the term "homogenous society" in discussions like this. Literally saying the reason we have more gun violence here is because of minorities.

Is it really that big of a surprise that Admiral is a "race realist"?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

theAteam posted...

One thing I see from that chart is there is a strong correlation between American imperialism and gun deaths

"It's always America's fault!"

Hey pal

Correlation does not equal causation
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