Current Events > Should Halal meat be illegal? (meat prepared according to Islamic law)

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Halal is meat considered "clean" to eat according to traditional Islamic law. The meat is prepared using the following steps:

1. A prayer is offered to Allah.
2. The animal's throat is slit, severing the jugular vein. Animal must be conscious.
3. The animal is hung upside down to allow the blood to drain out (animal is still alive at this point).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJL_TjHH31M

Sounds inhumane if true
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This is some barbaric inhumane shit.
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Returning_CEmen posted...

Sounds like every other meat business in the world

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Returning_CEmen posted...

Sounds inhumane if true

The big plot twist is that Kosher meat is just as bad.

SlashmanSG posted...

Returning_CEmen posted...

Sounds like every other meat business in the world

Nah, we usually do quick kills with a bolt gun.
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First of all, I'm not sure this is true. I worked in a factor that offered Muslim-approved Halal food, and they used a stunner and a bolt gun.

Second, that is literally how farmers have been killing their animals for years. My mom used to tell stories about how my grandfather used to shoot his animals, then run up and slit their throats to finish them off.

Either way, I'd like to actually hear more about the practice from qualified experts, since 90% of anything with the words 'Islam' in it on Youtube is some white supremacist backed propaganda.

God gave us dominion over animals, so we can do whatever the fuck we want. "Inhumanity" doesn't come into it.
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CiIantro posted...

Halal is meat considered "clean" to eat according to traditional Islamic law. The meat is prepared using the following steps:

1. A prayer is offered to Allah.
2. The animal's throat is slit, severing the jugular vein. Animal must be conscious.
3. The animal is hung upside down to allow the blood to drain out (animal is still alive at this point).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJL_TjHH31M

that's fucking brutal? Is that real?!?!?!

Why isn't PETA all over this? They lose their shit over mario bros 3 having a raccoon suit!

CiIantro posted...

1. A prayer is offered to Allah.
2. The animal's throat is slit, severing the jugular vein. Animal must be conscious.
3. The animal is hung upside down to allow the blood to drain out (animal is still alive at this point).

Kosher slaughter is all but identical.

It may actually be much safer for people, than caving in the animal's skull with a captive bolt stunner.

Yes. That is just torturous

Why doesn't PETA fight against things like this?
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Dash_Harber posted...

First of all, I'm not sure this is true. I worked in a factor that offered Muslim-approved Halal food, and they used a stunner and a bolt gun.

Second, that is literally how farmers have been killing their animals for years. My mom used to tell stories about how my grandfather used to shoot his animals, then run up and slit their throats to finish them off.

Either way, I'd like to actually hear more about the practice from qualified experts, since 90% of anything with the words 'Islam' in it on Youtube is some white supremacist backed propaganda.

It is permissible (but definitely not required) to stun the animal before slitting their throat, yes. Must still be conscious and bled out though.

@awesome999 posted...

Yes. That is just torturous

Why doesn't PETA fight against things like this?

https://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-muslim-ritual-slaughter/

They do.

Lol you should worry about how your chickens, cows, pigs, etc are treated and mass slaughtered after
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Dash_Harber posted...

First of all, I'm not sure this is true. I worked in a factor that offered Muslim-approved Halal food, and they used a stunner and a bolt gun.

Second, that is literally how farmers have been killing their animals for years. My mom used to tell stories about how my grandfather used to shoot his animals, then run up and slit their throats to finish them off.

Either way, I'd like to actually hear more about the practice from qualified experts, since 90% of anything with the words 'Islam' in it on Youtube is some white supremacist backed propaganda.

It's true.
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If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...
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CiIantro posted...

It is permissible to stun the animal before slitting their throat, yes. Must still be conscious and bled out though.

Those two things contradict each other. Anyway, it's literally how every government approved facility does it, then.

Also, bleeding out is actually the proper way to prepare any meat, for anyone. They teach you how to bleed and gut meat in any basic hunting class. Every factory does it. Blood is incredibly dangerous to consume as it is generally incredibly susceptible to disease and parasites.

Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Fam, you are gonna make me turn Vegan.
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Returning_CEmen posted...

Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Fam, you are gonna make me turn Vegan.

Just wait until you find out what happens to potatoes.

Returning_CEmen posted...

Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Fam, you are gonna make me turn Vegan.

flexitarianism is better.
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Dash_Harber posted...

First of all, I'm not sure this is true. I worked in a factor that offered Muslim-approved Halal food, and they used a stunner and a bolt gun.

Second, that is literally how farmers have been killing their animals for years. My mom used to tell stories about how my grandfather used to shoot his animals, then run up and slit their throats to finish them off.

Either way, I'd like to actually hear more about the practice from qualified experts, since 90% of anything with the words 'Islam' in it on Youtube is some white supremacist backed propaganda.

from a quick google search, this article is pretty good:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/may/08/what-does-halal-method-animal-slaughter-involve

But contrary to what many assume, most animals killed by halal methods are stunned before slaughter. FSA estimates suggest that 88% of animals in the UK killed by halal methods were stunned beforehand in a way that many Muslims find religiously acceptable.

this one also seems to be pretty good:
http://halalcertification.ie/halal/islamic-method-of-slaughtering/
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@Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Very valid point.

averagejoel posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

First of all, I'm not sure this is true. I worked in a factor that offered Muslim-approved Halal food, and they used a stunner and a bolt gun.

Second, that is literally how farmers have been killing their animals for years. My mom used to tell stories about how my grandfather used to shoot his animals, then run up and slit their throats to finish them off.

Either way, I'd like to actually hear more about the practice from qualified experts, since 90% of anything with the words 'Islam' in it on Youtube is some white supremacist backed propaganda.

from a quick google search, this article is pretty good:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/may/08/what-does-halal-method-animal-slaughter-involve

But contrary to what many assume, most animals killed by halal methods are stunned before slaughter. FSA estimates suggest that 88% of animals in the UK killed by halal methods were stunned beforehand in a way that many Muslims find religiously acceptable.

this one also seems to be pretty good:
http://halalcertification.ie/halal/islamic-method-of-slaughtering/

So yeah ... pretty much exactly the same as the regular meat industry. The only reason the factory I referenced stopped doing it was because the rules were actually more stringent about cross contamination than their standards (the factory specialized in sausage).

I generally buy Halal chicken because I prefer the taste. I figure the reason is that there is no other meat used as filler. I despise pork products, so something that is guaranteed, 100% chicken is great for me.

Arcanine2009 posted...

Lol you should worry about how your chickens, cows, pigs, etc are treated and mass slaughtered after

This. Ive seen some fucked up videos. I watched how they decapitate male baby chicks going through a conveyer belt. Had to watch it in class.

Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Returning_CEmen posted...

Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Fam, you are gonna make me turn Vegan.

Just wait until you find out what happens to potatoes.

Stahp
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@Cleo_II posted...

Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

I work for a restaurant that uses beef from small slaughterhouses.

Guess what. You cut the animal's throat every time. It's even worse! You know that Achilles tendon in the back of your foot? Well, cows have one too. So while the animal is still alive they pass a meat hook through the leg between the tendon and the bone. Cow tendon is so strong you can then haul up the entire cow by its back legs.

Why do that? If you do it fast the animals own heart pushes most of the blood right out of the animal. Blood in an animal is not a big deal but when you send the meat to a butcher you want all that blood out because it congeals inside the animal and gets in the way when you're making your steak cuts.

I could go on but won't because it isn't relevant to live beef processing.

If you really want to get angry about animals check out how New Zealand transports sheep to other parts of the world that love eating lamb. I would no doubt go batshit insane if I had to be on one of those ships from NZ to Saudi Arabia or points west. IN-SANE!
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CiIantro posted...

@Cleo_II posted...

Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

As I said, it has stricter rules about cross contamination. Chicken is guaranteed to be 100% chicken.

Millennials posted...

Returning_CEmen posted...

Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Fam, you are gonna make me turn Vegan.

flexitarianism is better.

What's that?
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Typical Farm factories aren't any better iirc
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Returning_CEmen posted...

Millennials posted...

Returning_CEmen posted...

Millennials posted...

If this upsets you, I have some shocking news about that factory farm meat most of you probably eat...

Fam, you are gonna make me turn Vegan.

flexitarianism is better.

What's that?

vegetarianism/veganism with occasional meat. fuck being a full time no meat eater.
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Villain posted...

Typical Farm factories aren't any better iirc

you do remember correctly.

in fact, they're quite a bit worse
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I hope the yes votes are vegetarians cause that's actually more humane than the way animals are treated who are the source of the meat everyone loves

CiIantro posted...

@Cleo_II posted...

Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Cleo_II posted...

CiIantro posted...

@Cleo_II posted...

Halal meat at least tastes delicious.

I am gonna call BS on this. The method of slaughter doesn't affect the taste. Any difference you perceive is a placebo.

Have you ever actually had halal meat before? Theres a difference. Halal meat is more tender and higher quality.

Secular prep has waaaay looser quality control.

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.
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Eh, I'm on the fence to be honest. I don't like it at all, but I don't think it's my place to tell them how and where they prepare what they eat. I'll step in and fight back against child brides, but not really so much about how they prepare food.
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lilORANG posted...

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.

It's a hell of a lot more humane than the way wolves or lions would do it.

Questionmarktarius posted...

lilORANG posted...

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.

It's a hell of a lot more humane than the way wolves or lions would do it.

Yes, we are humane. Lions are not lol.
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lilORANG posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

lilORANG posted...

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.

It's a hell of a lot more humane than the way wolves or lions would do it.

Yes, we are humane. Lions are not lol.

What is the 'more humane' way?

Cause, again, it's literally the same way that any other factory farm (or farm, for that matter) would do it. It's not like any farmer gives their livestock sleeping pills and reads them a lullaby before shooting them and cutting their throats.

Dash_Harber posted...

What is the 'more humane' way?

Inert gas asphyxiation, probably.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

What is the 'more humane' way?

Inert gas asphyxiation, probably.

Yes, slowly choking to death is so much faster than having your jugular cut and dying ten seconds later. >_>

Dash_Harber posted...

it's literally the same way that any other factory farm (or farm, for that matter) would do it.

I mean I'm not a fan of the living conditions in factory farms but they at least kill the thing immediately with a bolt gun, not let it bleed out slowly. So yes, that's more humane.
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Dash_Harber posted...

lilORANG posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

lilORANG posted...

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.

It's a hell of a lot more humane than the way wolves or lions would do it.

Yes, we are humane. Lions are not lol.

What is the 'more humane' way?

Cause, again, it's literally the same way that any other factory farm (or farm, for that matter) would do it. It's not like any farmer gives their livestock sleeping pills and reads them a lullaby before shooting them and cutting their throats.

I mean I've done those 3 steps to deer before >_>. Only thing that's different is when I hung them up they were dead

Dash_Harber posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

What is the 'more humane' way?

Inert gas asphyxiation, probably.

Yes, slowly choking to death is so much faster than having your jugular cut and dying ten seconds later. >_>

Just sorta pass out from hypoxia, without suspecting anything.
If you want to be cool about it, use xenon as the inert gas. It's moderately psychoactive (like nitrous) for some unknown reason.

Axiom posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

lilORANG posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

lilORANG posted...

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.

It's a hell of a lot more humane than the way wolves or lions would do it.

Yes, we are humane. Lions are not lol.

What is the 'more humane' way?

Cause, again, it's literally the same way that any other factory farm (or farm, for that matter) would do it. It's not like any farmer gives their livestock sleeping pills and reads them a lullaby before shooting them and cutting their throats.

I mean I've done those 3 steps to deer before >_>. Only thing that's different is when I hung them up they were dead

You convinced a wild deer to take random pills from you, then sang it a lullaby, then killed it?

Dash_Harber posted...

You convinced a wild deer to take random pills from you, then sang it a lullaby, then killed it?

That would certainly make for an interesting hunting video.

Dash_Harber posted...

Axiom posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

lilORANG posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

lilORANG posted...

I think you should kill the animal as humanely as possible and then label the package as halal because let's be honest, they'd never know.

It's a hell of a lot more humane than the way wolves or lions would do it.

Yes, we are humane. Lions are not lol.

What is the 'more humane' way?

Cause, again, it's literally the same way that any other factory farm (or farm, for that matter) would do it. It's not like any farmer gives their livestock sleeping pills and reads them a lullaby before shooting them and cutting their throats.

I mean I've done those 3 steps to deer before >_>. Only thing that's different is when I hung them up they were dead

You convinced a wild deer to take random pills from you, then sang it a lullaby, then killed it?

Well yeah. I am a professional deer whisperer

Axiom posted...

Well yeah. I am a professional deer whisperer

You sound more like a professional guy-who-tries-to-sell-drugs-to-deer-in-some-ill-conceived-after-school-special.

dem mooslem boogeyman, everything dey did are evil!
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