Current Events > 'It's OK to be white' flyers posted at UC Davis campus, many offended

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HokagoTeaTime posted...

the losers who came up with these signs are literally banking on moderate white people being unable to understand this and getting upset at the left-wing reaction to the signs

They're banking on liberals freaking out about the sentence "it's okay to be white" and inevitably making anti-white/racist comments that will point out how idiotic and hypocritical their identity politics movement is.

And so far, that plan is working brilliantly.
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There's no need for such a sign though
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HokagoTeaTime posted...

the losers who came up with these signs are literally banking on moderate white people being unable to understand this and getting upset at the left-wing reaction to the signs. That's their whole plan.

People keep talking shit about how oh this isn't happening in a vacuum, and what about the context!

Okay.

Okay. Fine. Context. Let's get some context. The context behind the message is: trollish people on 4chan, observing that the left has a racism problem towards white people that they try to keep underwraps, and in response to a similar isolated message provoking a ridiculous reaction of it being thought a "hate crime" decided to construct this message, and took great care to emphasise it be as minimalist as possible. No extra crap. Just the message and the message alone. And they put out this message with the intent, the expectation, that extremists on the left would have a hostile reaction to it, and they wanted this to happen to expose those people, that the left keeps furiously denying exists. Make it harder to deny there's a problem in this country towards white people by inviting the problem to openly out themselves, which they did and are still doing.

That is the context. That is it, outside a vacuum.

...And the side opposing it still comes out looking worse.

Here let me help the liberals and anyone else having a problem. If someone says, "It's okay to be white" go "Yep" and then that's the end of it.

*dusts hands off*

If you fight it, you will lose. Don't go down as "the people who opposed saying it's okay to be white"

Learn what "bad optics" is. Learn basic PR. Learn to pick your battles. Learn compassion and understanding for white people too, if you lack that.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

There's no need for such a sign though

True there really isn't, it's only goal is to get people feisty.

But people should NOT get feisty about a sentence like that, that's the whole problem.

People should laugh it off and go, "okay..... that was a stupid flyer."
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

There's no need for such a sign though

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8913

At UC Davis, it looks like there is.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

There's no need for such a sign though

on a college campus? yeah there is, actually
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Tmk posted...

If you fight it, you will lose. Don't go down as "the people who opposed saying it's okay to be white"

Learn what "bad optics" is. Learn basic PR. Learn to pick your battles.

That I will absolutely agree with.
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I will not deny that it's ENTIRE goal is to rile people up.

The problem is that should not rile people up under ANY circumstance and if it does, your only proving the entire point it's trying to make.

This is exactly the reaction it's looking for:
Whoever is posting these photos, I dont think theyre realizing how triggering these posters are for people, says Lee.

Guess who looks bad here, not the right (or even altright)
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Dustin1280 posted...

I will not deny that it's ENTIRE goal is to rile people up.

But why would trolls think this would be successful? What is it about being white that angers people?
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

I will not deny that it's ENTIRE goal is to rile people up.

But why would trolls think this would be successful? What is it about being white that angers people?

I think you are trying to argue the same point I am dude...
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Dustin1280 posted...

I think you are trying to argue the same point I am dude...

No, I'm not arguing. I'm asking you what's the answer to the question. In your opinion, why is "it's ok to be white" such a triggering phrase for many people?
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

I think you are trying to argue the same point I am dude...

No, I'm not arguing. I'm asking you what's the answer to the question. In your opinion, why is "it's ok to be white" such a triggering phrase for many people?

Because people are stupid and don't have thick skin anymore. Anything that can be taken even slightly offensively gets blown WAY out of proportion...

This shouldn't have been offensive to anyone and yet people are being "triggered" by it.

A normal person would look at that flyer and go Yes and wonder why it was even posted to begin with.
A crazy person will somehow take offensive because of the "secret motives" of said flyer that is NOT actually offensive to anyone.
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Dustin1280 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

I think you are trying to argue the same point I am dude...

No, I'm not arguing. I'm asking you what's the answer to the question. In your opinion, why is "it's ok to be white" such a triggering phrase for many people?

Because people are stupid and don't have thick skin anymore. Anything that can be taken even slightly offensively gets blown WAY out of proportion...

This shouldn't have been offensive to anyone and yet people are being "triggered" by it.

A normal person would look at that flyer and go Yes and wonder why it was even posted to begin with.
A crazy person will somehow take offensive because of the "secret motives" of said flyer that is NOT actually offensive to anyone.

It seems like you know the actual answer but refuse to say it.
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That_Happened posted...

It seems like you know the actual answer but refuse to say it.

I'm simply expressing the answer without generalizing a particular group or groups as a whole...

Only crazy people would take offense to that.
If you take offense to that then you are crazy and should really look at your philosophy on life.
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Pointing out the obvious dogwhistle doesn't make you offended
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Doom_Art posted...

Pointing out the obvious dogwhistle doesn't make you offended

The problem is, there is no reason it should have been pointed out to begin with, regardless of whatever motive was behind the postings.

It's a non-offensive comment. Taking offense or otherwise objecting to it is silly.

20 years ago, people would have laughed at it or looked at it in confusion. These days it's obviously a ploy from the evil racists.
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Dustin1280 posted...

I'm simply expressing the answer without generalizing a particular group or groups as a whole...

Only crazy people would take offense to that.

I'm not taking offense to it. I'm pointing out that you're kind of a hypocrite. These are both quotes from you:

Dustin1280 posted...

I do question the motive of said people that put up said flyer, and surely it was to get a reaction.
True there really isn't (a need for that sign), it's only goal is to get people feisty.

You recognize the history and implications behind it. You know it's a message from trolls. But then you defend the trolls and say "no one should be upset by this." Another poster was 100% right:

HokagoTeaTime posted...

the losers who came up with these signs are literally banking on moderate white people being unable to understand this and getting upset at the left-wing reaction to the signs. That's their whole plan.

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The problem is REGARDLESS of the obvious motive behind it, such a thing should be ignored.

The statement by itself is harmless even if the people behind it are actually racists...

This is still 100% true:

Dustin1280 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Pointing out the obvious dogwhistle doesn't make you offended

The problem is, there is no reason it should have been pointed out to begin with, regardless of whatever motive was behind the postings.

It's a non-offensive comment. Taking offense or otherwise objecting to it is silly.

20 years ago, people would have laughed at it or looked at it in confusion. These days it's obviously a ploy from the evil racists.

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Dustin1280 posted...

The statement by itself is harmless

HokagoTeaTime posted...

The only people who think it's a perfectly harmless message are morons who don't understand anything about rhetoric. Sentences aren't just perfectly unambiguous statements that can be interpreted inside a vacuum; context affects the meaning of anything you say

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Doom_Art posted...

Pointing out the obvious dogwhistle doesn't make you offended

People literally complaining that they're offended does, though.
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I'm a moron because I know full well trolls posted that flyer to get a rise out of people and I don't believe it should have gotten any rise out of anyone.

This goes back to the same thing I have been stating this entire topic.
Dustin1280...

The problem is, there is no reason it should have been pointed out to begin with, regardless of whatever motive was behind the postings.

It's a non-offensive comment. Taking offense or otherwise objecting to it is silly.

20 years ago, people would have laughed at it or looked at it in confusion. These days it's obviously a ploy from the evil racists.

Sorry but getting offended for no other reason than "it was likely posted by racists." is ridiculous...

Would people have been offended if "it's okay to be black." was posted instead?

If so, they are just as bad as the people offended by this posting.
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Dustin1280 posted...

This goes back to the same thing I have been stating this entire topic.

You can keep repeating yourself over and over all you like, and in fact you're going to have to because you know your position doesn't hold water.

You admit that the signs were posted by trolls.
You understand the historical and rhetorical significance behind the message.
But you still defend the trolls.

The only reason you're not offended is because it's not something you personally care about. If it was something that affected you, you'd be bothered. It shouldn't be this hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
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Dustin1280 posted...

Sorry but getting offended for no other reason than "it was likely posted by racists." is ridiculous...

Would people have been offended if "it's okay to be black." was posted instead?

If so, they are just as bad as the people offended by this posting.

People are weak these days, nothing is shrugged off and everyone has thin skin. That's the problem with the society that has been bred.
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Dustin1280 posted...

I'm a moron because I know full well trolls posted that flyer to get a rise out of people and I don't believe it should have gotten any rise out of anyone.

This goes back to the same thing I have been stating this entire topic.
Dustin1280...

The problem is, there is no reason it should have been pointed out to begin with, regardless of whatever motive was behind the postings.

It's a non-offensive comment. Taking offense or otherwise objecting to it is silly.

20 years ago, people would have laughed at it or looked at it in confusion. These days it's obviously a ploy from the evil racists.

Sorry but getting offended for no other reason than "it was likely posted by racists." is ridiculous...

Would people have been offended if "it's okay to be black." was posted instead?

If so, they are just as bad as the people offended by this posting.

"No you don't get! Clearly saying it's ok to be white is all about white supremacy! Duuuurrr!"
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Dustin1280 posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

Literally no reason to be bothered by it unless you don't think it's ok to be white.

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For much of the history of the U.S. its been more than Ok to be white, its been preferable. Thats what the folks tripping over themselves to say yeah thats cool tend to overlook. It makes one wonder what the motivation behind this reassurance is.

@That_Happened
Let me ask you this.

Let's say
a white person was wearing a shirt that said in huge letters "it's okay to be white."

Is that offensive? Should that be taken offensively because that person MIGHT be racist against black people?

Now reverse it

a black person is wearing a shirt that says in huge letters "it's okay to be black."

is that offensive? should that be taken offensively because that person MIGHT be racist against white people?
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

"I don't think whoever did this realizes just how much this will trigger people"

It was 4-chan they knew and they played you all like a fiddle.
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Dustin1280 posted...

@That_Happened
Let me ask you this.

The only people who think it's a perfectly harmless message are morons who don't understand anything about rhetoric. Sentences aren't just perfectly unambiguous statements that can be interpreted inside a vacuum; context affects the meaning of anything you say

If you acknowledge this post, then you will see why your question is ridiculous. If you refuse to acknowledge this post, it's because you're intentionally being dense.
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

@That_Happened
Let me ask you this.

The only people who think it's a perfectly harmless message are morons who don't understand anything about rhetoric. Sentences aren't just perfectly unambiguous statements that can be interpreted inside a vacuum; context affects the meaning of anything you say

If you acknowledge this post, then you will see why your question is ridiculous. If you refuse to acknowledge this post, it's because you're intentionally being dense.

My argument is neither should be considered offensive (even though both have negative context) unless you are unable to let things roll off your shoulders and are easily offended.

Since you didn't answer the question and instead deflected, I'm going to assume that the Black person is ok but the white person is racist or wrong in your opinion.

You are right we won't agree because I don't LOOK for reasons to be offended.

One last thing:
I would never wear a it's okay to be white shirt because I realize how easily people are offended these days.
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Dustin1280 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

@That_Happened
Let me ask you this.

The only people who think it's a perfectly harmless message are morons who don't understand anything about rhetoric. Sentences aren't just perfectly unambiguous statements that can be interpreted inside a vacuum; context affects the meaning of anything you say

If you acknowledge this post, then you will see why your question is ridiculous. If you refuse to acknowledge this post, it's because you're intentionally being dense.

My argument is neither should be considered offensive (even though both have negative context) unless you are unable to let things roll off your shoulders and are easily offended.

Since you didn't answer the question and instead deflected, I'm going to assume that the Black person is ok but the white person is racist or wrong in your opinion.

You are right we won't agree.

FYI the poster you're responding to routinely defends anti white rascism. He's doing it in another topic as we speak
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http://koin.com/2017/11/13/ok-to-be-white-sign-sparks-overpass-clash-in-vancouver

Heres a known white supremacist group using its okay to be white to coopt an action memorializing the death of a black grad student at the hand of Neo nazis

Does everyone here know a dogwhistle is? Why would its okay to be white be a dog whistle for white supremacists?

YourDrunkFather posted...

FYI the poster you're responding to routinely defends anti white rascism. He's doing it in another topic as we speak

Didn't you just get done accusing me of being dishonest? And here you are lying your ass off. Cute.

Dustin1280 posted...

I would never wear a it's okay to be white shirt because I realize how easily people are offended these days.

I would never wear a it's okay to be white shirt because I've never been made to feel bad by anyone because of my white skin. Like you said, there's no need to make the statement in the first place. It's got nothing to do with anyone being offended.
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

I would never wear a it's okay to be white shirt because I realize how easily people are offended these days.

I would never wear a it's okay to be white shirt because I've never been made to feel bad by anyone because of my white skin. Like you said, there's no need to make the statement in the first place. It's got nothing to do with anyone being offended.

Lucky you, my opinion has been dismissed in the past simply because I am white.

Literally they said "you're white, you don't get an opinion."
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Dustin1280 posted...

Lucky you, my opinion has been dismissed in the past simply because I am white.

Really? Where did this happen? I can remember a handful of times where it happened to me, but it only with militant black people on the internet, via their blogs. Oh and once someone said it to me in person but I shut them down pretty quickly.
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

Lucky you, my opinion has been dismissed in the past simply because I am white.

Really? Where did this happen?

I was at a party and there was a group of people loudly talking about how white people don't understand anything. When I objected and said what exactly don't white people understand their response was "you're white, you don't get an opinion."

I then proceeded to go to another location in the party and avoid that group, because it was obvious they didn't want me near them.

That happened to me personally and I am sure it was a fluke and a rare occurrence. But that attitude is ALL OVER social media.
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Tmk posted...

The only response to the statement "it's okay to be white" should be "Yep"

Or maybe "Yes, it's okay to be any skin color"

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Dustin1280 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

Lucky you, my opinion has been dismissed in the past simply because I am white.

Really? Where did this happen?

I was at a party and there was a group of people loudly talking about how white people don't understand anything. When I objected and said what exactly don't white people understand their response was "you're white, you don't get an opinion."

I then proceeded to go to another location in the party and avoid that group, because it was obvious they didn't want me near them.

That happened to me personally and I am sure it was a fluke and a rare occurrence. But that attitude is ALL OVER social media.

But you aren't offended by this?
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

Lucky you, my opinion has been dismissed in the past simply because I am white.

Really? Where did this happen?

I was at a party and there was a group of people loudly talking about how white people don't understand anything. When I objected and said what exactly don't white people understand their response was "you're white, you don't get an opinion."

I then proceeded to go to another location in the party and avoid that group, because it was obvious they didn't want me near them.

That happened to me personally and I am sure it was a fluke and a rare occurrence. But that attitude is ALL OVER social media.

But you weren't offended?

I shrugged it off and just assumed they were assholes that had no interest in associating with white people.

Being offended never even crossed my mind.
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HokagoTeaTime posted...

The only people who think it's a perfectly harmless message are morons who don't understand anything about rhetoric. Sentences aren't just perfectly unambiguous statements that can be interpreted inside a vacuum; context affects the meaning of anything you say

the losers who came up with these signs are literally banking on moderate white people being unable to understand this and getting upset at the left-wing reaction to the signs. That's their whole plan.

Lmfao! Jesus thanks for the laugh.
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Dustin1280 posted...

I shrugged it off and just assumed they were assholes that had no interest in associating with white people.

Being offended never even crossed my mind.

What if the "you're white so your opinion doesn't matter" was as common in real life as you say it is on Social Media? Then would you be offended?
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That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

I shrugged it off and just assumed they were assholes that had no interest in associating with white people.

Being offended never even crossed my mind.

What if the "you're white so your opinion doesn't matter" was as common in real life as you say it is on Social Media? Then would you be offended?

If that was the case, yeah I suppose I would.

Admittedly black people have this worse then white people in real life and in social media (and it's bullshit), however if you are trying to infer it's as common in real life for black people as it is on social media, then you have more delusions than I initially suspected.

It brings my argument full circle as well. People are too easily offended these days and thick skin is non-existent.
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Dustin1280 posted...

That_Happened posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

I shrugged it off and just assumed they were assholes that had no interest in associating with white people.

Being offended never even crossed my mind.

What if the "you're white so your opinion doesn't matter" was as common in real life as you say it is on Social Media? Then would you be offended?

If that was the case, yeah I suppose I would.

Admittedly this is more common for black people to run into in real life (and it's bullshit), however if you are trying to infer it's as common in real life for black people as it is on social media, then you have more delusions than I initially suspected.

To be clear that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
1. anti-minority rhetoric is way more prevalent on social media than anti-white rhetoric, (I think we agree here)
2. and anti-minority rhetoric is way more prevalent in real life than anti-white rhetoric, (we definitely agree here)
3. and until very recently, anti-minority stuff was LEGAL in real life
4. and also very recently, anti-minority groups like neo Nazis and white supremacists have found a newer, louder voice in society.

When you take all of that into context, of course these posters are going to anger people. They're worried that half the country voted for a President who sympathizes with white people who troll minorities like this.
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Dustin1280 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Been a few topics about these signs already. Let me sum up:
The sign itself is fine but I question the motives of the people who put it up.

I actually agree with this one tbh

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That_Happened posted...

To be clear that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
1. anti-minority rhetoric is way more prevalent on social media than anti-white rhetoric, (I think we agree here)
2. and anti-minority rhetoric is way more prevalent in real life than anti-white rhetoric, (we definitely agree here)
3. and until very recently, anti-minority stuff was LEGAL in real life
4. and also very recently, anti-minority groups like neo Nazis and white supremacists have found a newer, louder voice in society.

When you take all of that into context, of course these posters are going to anger people. They're worried that half the country voted for a President who sympathizes with white people who troll minorities like this.

Agreed on points 1+2

3. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that anti-minority stuff was LEGAL in real life until recently...

4. Agreed

I still can't agree on your last point though. The flyers in question were obviously post to get a reaction. But the entire POINT of those flyers was to point out how easily society is offended these days and they did a VERY GOOD job doing so.

They took a harmless statement and due to "hidden context" it became a big deal.

My argument is people need to stop LOOKING for reasons to get offended and shrug off little things like flyers being posted.

This is what USED to happen 20 years ago, but this type of thinking is non-existent in today's society because everyone wants a reason to be offended and actively seeks said reasons out. This isn't just a symptom of the left either, everyone everywhere wants to be offended by something.
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Dustin1280 posted...

3. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that anti-minority stuff was LEGAL in real life until recently...

Redlining was taking place in the 80s and 90s. That's very recently.

Dustin1280 posted...

I still can't agree on your last point though. The flyers in question were obviously post to get a reaction. But the entire POINT of those flyers was to point out how easily society is offended these days and they did a VERY GOOD job doing so.

Damn. Thought I could get you from "why are people so offended at a harmless statement" to "oh, in the larger context the statement isn't harmless at all, and since I can understand why I'd be offended if there was a lot of anti-white rhetoric going around, I could surely understand why these people would be upset." But I can only take the horse to water, I can't make him drink. Oh well. Good discussion.
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That_Happened posted...

Damn. Thought I could get you from "why are people so offended at a harmless statement" to "oh, in the larger context the statement isn't harmless at all, and since I can understand why I'd be offended if there was a lot of anti-white rhetoric going around, I could surely understand why these people would be upset." But I can only take the horse to water, I can't make him drink. Oh well. Good discussion.

I will say this A_Novel_Idea posted a video and that video is the best argument in this entire topic in my opinion.
That took place VERY recently, and so did this flyer thing.

If people are connecting the flyers to that event (which is understandable), I can at least see why some would take offense to the flyers and in particular the exact words used.

What I don't agree with is connecting any statement that could even slightly be pushing a "hidden agenda" to a bigger meaning and taking offense from it. In this case, that recent event would take precedence over my normal concerns.
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A Novel Idea posted...

For much of the history of the U.S. its been more than Ok to be white, its been preferable. Thats what the folks tripping over themselves to say yeah thats cool tend to overlook. It makes one wonder what the motivation behind this reassurance is.

As has been pointed out numerous times, the motivation is to get racist liberal morons to argue that it isn't okay to be white, in the day and age where black community leaders advocate for segregation, college professors openly state they teach their children not to befriend white people, colleges teach that only white people can be racist, and the news media calls Latinos white people to push a racism narrative.

It's literally 'starting a conversation' on anti-white racism.
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