Current Events > 12 year old me knew from the start that the Iraq war was wrong and stupid

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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 12:10:25 PM
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Why did a 12 year old living in another country get it right when Hilary Clinton got it wrong?
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A_Good_Boy
11/27/17 12:10:52 PM
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Only Hillary, huh?
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eston
11/27/17 12:11:07 PM
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Antifar
11/27/17 12:12:15 PM
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It's a fair question.
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 12:12:36 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up
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darkphoenix181
11/27/17 12:13:23 PM
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because you didn't actually get it right

either your parent or teacher told you this and you believed them because you trusted them

except they likely also didn't get it right

because they only told you this after listening to a politician or celebrity who they trusted
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Antifar
11/27/17 12:13:54 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Trump didn't.

Trump wasn't in Congress, but his statements on the matter at the time were in support of the war
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/19/donald-trump-confronted-with-past-support-for-iraq-war
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A_Good_Boy
11/27/17 12:13:58 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up

Were all 3 of those people in the same exact position to vote for the war at the time? If they were, would they have?
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 12:14:02 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
because you didn't actually get it right

either your parent or teacher told you this and you believed them because you trusted them

except they likely also didn't get it right

because they only told you this after listening to a politician or celebrity who they trusted

No, I came up with it all by myself.

The news said that a war was starting and I was just like "why? That's dumb"
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 12:14:44 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up

Were all 3 of those people in the same exact position to vote for the war at the time? If they were, would they have?

Bernie actively voted against it, which is why he should have been president.

Trump was probably running his reality show at the time, but he didn't vote for it.

Voting against > not voting > voting for
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A_Good_Boy
11/27/17 12:15:11 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up

Were all 3 of those people in the same exact position to vote for the war at the time? If they were, would they have?

Bernie actively voted against it, which is why he should have been president.

Trump was probably running his reality show at the time, but he didn't vote for it.

Voting against > not voting > voting for

That's one question, now answer the second one.
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darkphoenix181
11/27/17 12:15:38 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
because you didn't actually get it right

either your parent or teacher told you this and you believed them because you trusted them

except they likely also didn't get it right

because they only told you this after listening to a politician or celebrity who they trusted

No, I came up with it all by myself.

The news said that a war was starting and I was just like "why? That's dumb"


and what made you think that was dumb?
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 12:16:06 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up

Were all 3 of those people in the same exact position to vote for the war at the time? If they were, would they have?

Bernie actively voted against it, which is why he should have been president.

Trump was probably running his reality show at the time, but he didn't vote for it.

Voting against > not voting > voting for

That's one question, now answer the second one.

The second question?

I don't know if Trump would have voted for it, sometimes he's isolationist and sometimes he isn't.

Bernie wouldn't have voted for it, because he didn't.
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 12:16:35 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
because you didn't actually get it right

either your parent or teacher told you this and you believed them because you trusted them

except they likely also didn't get it right

because they only told you this after listening to a politician or celebrity who they trusted

No, I came up with it all by myself.

The news said that a war was starting and I was just like "why? That's dumb"


and what made you think that was dumb?

Because invading another country in the year 2003 is fucking dumb. We're no longer primitive apes who have to go to war and invade other countries, that's what people in the middle ages did
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A_Good_Boy
11/27/17 12:17:07 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up

Were all 3 of those people in the same exact position to vote for the war at the time? If they were, would they have?

Bernie actively voted against it, which is why he should have been president.

Trump was probably running his reality show at the time, but he didn't vote for it.

Voting against > not voting > voting for

That's one question, now answer the second one.

The second question?

I don't know if Trump would have voted for it, sometimes he's isolationist and sometimes he isn't.

Bernie wouldn't have voted for it, because he didn't.

You gonna bulldoze straight past post 8?
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darkphoenix181
11/27/17 12:17:25 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Because invading another country in the year 2003 is f***ing dumb. We're no longer primitive apes who have to go to war and invade other countries, that's what people in the middle ages did


all this came from your schooling and parents

you didn't come up with this yourself

for one, saying "it is 2003! we are better!"

is not something a kid who has no experience CAN say

you barely know anything about what happened in any year

you were just a parrot and now you look back as if that was something great
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 1:35:20 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
You gonna bulldoze straight past post 8?

Post 8 is irrelevant because I don't think Trump should have won either, I think Bernie should have won.

But not voting for it is still superior to voting for it.

darkphoenix181 posted...
all this came from your schooling and parents

you didn't come up with this yourself

Yes, you're absolutely correct. There's no way that a 12 year old could have come to the conclusion that killing people is wrong on their own. You clearly know better
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Lonestar2000
11/27/17 1:40:19 PM
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@darkphoenix181 posted...
because you didn't actually get it right

either your parent or teacher told you this and you believed them because you trusted them

except they likely also didn't get it right

because they only told you this after listening to a politician or celebrity who they trusted

So the Iraq war was a good thing?
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FigureOfSpeech
11/27/17 1:59:50 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up


How was trump in a position to vote on that?
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 5:22:47 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up


How was trump in a position to vote on that?

Irrelevant, he didn't vote for it
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FigureOfSpeech
11/27/17 5:39:05 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up


How was trump in a position to vote on that?

Irrelevant, he didn't vote for it


So there was not a vote that he was eligible to participate in. That is the point you are making. "he is okay because he was not eligible to vote on something and that's the same as him voting the way I agree with."
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bevan306
11/27/17 5:40:07 PM
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you know who else didn't vote for the war in iraq? adolf hitler
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darkphoenix181
11/27/17 5:42:38 PM
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bevan306 posted...
you know who else didn't vote for the war in iraq?


Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr.
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fire810
11/27/17 5:42:50 PM
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I was in high school when they declared the war, and the reaction at the time was, "why? oh well whatever"
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Sativa_Rose
11/27/17 5:45:10 PM
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The real reasons for the war weren't all that bad now that I have gotten older and wiser and understand the full picture more, but the Bush admin. intentionally tried to make it about 9/11, WMDs, and the new war on terror rather than something we had been interested in doing for quite a while.

With the defeat of ISIS, we may now actually see a peaceful democratic Iraq, one can hope.
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A_Good_Boy
11/27/17 5:46:10 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
The real reasons for the war weren't all that bad now that I have gotten older and wiser and understand the full picture more, but the Bush admin. intentionally tried to make it about 9/11, WMDs, and the new war on terror rather than something we had been interested in doing for quite a while.

With the defeat of ISIS, we may now actually see a peaceful democratic Iraq, one can hope.

Lol wat?
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darkphoenix181
11/27/17 5:47:05 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Lol wat?


Saddam kept defying the UN and not letting inspectors do their jobs as well as other things like oppressing his citizens
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Sativa_Rose
11/27/17 5:47:54 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
The real reasons for the war weren't all that bad now that I have gotten older and wiser and understand the full picture more, but the Bush admin. intentionally tried to make it about 9/11, WMDs, and the new war on terror rather than something we had been interested in doing for quite a while.

With the defeat of ISIS, we may now actually see a peaceful democratic Iraq, one can hope.

Lol wat?


Have you been paying attention to the news on Iraq? ISIS has been virtually eliminated except for some remote sections of the desert they are now trying to clear out.
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Darklit_Minuet
11/27/17 5:56:56 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up


How was trump in a position to vote on that?

Irrelevant, he didn't vote for it


So there was not a vote that he was eligible to participate in. That is the point you are making. "he is okay because he was not eligible to vote on something and that's the same as him voting the way I agree with."

Darklit_Minuet posted...
Voting against > not voting > voting for

Bernie > Trump > Clinton
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FigureOfSpeech
11/27/17 6:21:08 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Only Hillary, huh?

She's the only notable person running in the last election who voted for Iraq. Trump didn't. Bernie didn't. They knew what was up


How was trump in a position to vote on that?

Irrelevant, he didn't vote for it


So there was not a vote that he was eligible to participate in. That is the point you are making. "he is okay because he was not eligible to vote on something and that's the same as him voting the way I agree with."

Darklit_Minuet posted...
Voting against > not voting > voting for

Bernie > Trump > Clinton


Trump needs to be out of the equation because he had no ability to vote. Bernie > Hillary is definite truth though so I'm with you there.
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Lonestar2000
11/27/17 7:36:39 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
The real reasons for the war weren't all that bad now that I have gotten older and wiser and understand the full picture more, but the Bush admin. intentionally tried to make it about 9/11, WMDs, and the new war on terror rather than something we had been interested in doing for quite a while.

With the defeat of ISIS, we may now actually see a peaceful democratic Iraq, one can hope.

Not gonna happen unless the Kurds take over.
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Kaname_Madoka
11/27/17 7:38:53 PM
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bevan306 posted...
you know who else didn't vote for the war in iraq? adolf hitler

Gary motherfucking Oak, that's who
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Sativa_Rose
11/27/17 7:49:01 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
The real reasons for the war weren't all that bad now that I have gotten older and wiser and understand the full picture more, but the Bush admin. intentionally tried to make it about 9/11, WMDs, and the new war on terror rather than something we had been interested in doing for quite a while.

With the defeat of ISIS, we may now actually see a peaceful democratic Iraq, one can hope.

Not gonna happen unless the Kurds take over.


They are probably going to have the same semi-autonomy they had before. They aren't getting independence but they aren't going to get gassed by the Iraqi government either. The current Iraqi PM since 2014 is a guy who lived in the UK in exile for like 20 years, got a PhD, and worked as some kind of transportation consultant in London. He's not going to be a genocidal maniac or anything.

Now that ISIS has been defeated peace may not be out of the question. I worry that there will still be the occasional crazy car bomber left over from the ISIS days, but the large scale violence seen over the past several years is hopefully over.
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