Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 150: Moore votes the better to speak Frank(en)ly

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Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Like, when you literally are saying that you, personally, get to decide if something is offensive for somebody else, you've already lost the argument.

You can't just say "They don't actually find it offensive, those Native Americans just have ulterior motives." That makes you a moron.

I didn't again say that someone could not find it offensive. I said that saying it is a racial slur is factually incorrect and saying it is one is due to ulterior motives or incompetency.

Prove it's not a racial slur. Because right now, the FACTS show that the actual people to whom it would be a slur are saying "yes, it's a slur".

Read a dictionary. Look up racial slurs. See if it is listed.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I wonder if "Corrik makes shit up again" will soon be a headline on CNN's front page

Not my fault you guys are struggling.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik I just gave you a literal screenshot of the front page having multiple headlines about it?

Not the CNN front page.
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I can also confirm it is on the front page of CNN
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Corrik posted...

I would say you just need a little more education on what exactly constitutes racism. You sound like you are on your way because you did not jump to just a racist conclusion and actually took time to analyze it. It is factually not a racist slur.

If you make a bad joke and I say "okay Wayne Brady". Did I just say a racial slur to offend you?

You should be careful trying to align with people who live on calling people racists and think only white people can be racist. Their rhetoric is illogical and super dangerous.

Well context is very important, and unfortunately the past few years have caused me to assume the worse of people a bit more than I used to. It's the awkward position of wanting to have faith in people, but having a great deal of difficulty actually doing that.

If you called me Wayne Brady, I wouldn't immediately assume racism. I would, however, question why you called me that in the first place. I could probably think up several possibilities, but then that lack of faith rears its ugly head and.... I'd unfortunately be a bit suspicious if I didn't know you well enough.

I think the whole "Only white people can be racist" sentiment is borderline... err... "mentally deficient". Of course, I typically don't speak to people who actually believe that so no concerns with me siding with those types there. Of course there's also that fine line between people who call out racism, and people who think everything is racist. One is often mistaken for the other(Intentionally or otherwise). I have no issue with people... what's the phrase that gets thrown around a lot? Oh yes, "Call a spade a spade"(Heh)

But there's also a dangerous thought process that gets thrown around that amounts to "Nothing is racist! Only racists talk about racism! Stop discussing racism!" that serves no purpose other than to silence actual grievances. Those people would count me as their enemy.
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charmander6000 posted...

I can also confirm it is on the front page of CNN

It isn't but nice try. It is a headline in their world section.

Anywho. Going to sleep. Carry on with your nonsense til 500. We will get a new topic ready for ya.
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Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Please Corrik, explain to me how Trump is using Pocahontas for ANY other reason beyond her being a Native American? 'Cause your Wayne Brady example doesn't quite work if the person is calling you Wayne Brady because they think you're telling unfunny jokes.

Seriously, if Trump wanted to poke fun at Elizabeth Warren for fudging her heritage, he could EASILY call her Lyin' Lizzy. It's got better alliteration, it rolls off the tongue, and more specifically, it addresses the fucking thing you're claiming his attack is based on. Hell, it works better than Lyin' Ted, who got down on his knees and started kissing Trump's ass after the convention.

He is making fun of her falsely claiming she was a Native American minority. Not that she was a Native American. Again. As stated 400 times. A clear difference.

Then why did he feel the need to attack her on the "Native American" part and not the "falsely claiming" part?

Are you serious right now? Do you not even know the fucking topic being discussed?

Are YOU serious? Either Trump is using Pocahontas as a derogatory slur to insult Elizabeth Warren's questionable Native American heritage, or Pocahontas was a middle-aged white woman merely PRETENDING to be Native American, in which case Donald Trump is remarkably skilled at finding the exact right example to compare his foe to.

Again, there is no reason to insult Elizabeth Warren by specifically calling her Pocahontas unless it's in a racial context. Just because she's white doesn't suddenly make attacking her with a racial slur okay.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik posted...

I would say you just need a little more education on what exactly constitutes racism. You sound like you are on your way because you did not jump to just a racist conclusion and actually took time to analyze it. It is factually not a racist slur.

If you make a bad joke and I say "okay Wayne Brady". Did I just say a racial slur to offend you?

You should be careful trying to align with people who live on calling people racists and think only white people can be racist. Their rhetoric is illogical and super dangerous.

Well context is very important, and unfortunately the past few years have caused me to assume the worse of people a bit more than I used to. It's the awkward position of wanting to have faith in people, but having a great deal of difficulty actually doing that.

If you called me Wayne Brady, I wouldn't immediately assume racism. I would, however, question why you called me that in the first place. I could probably think up several possibilities, but then that lack of faith rears its ugly head and.... I'd unfortunately be a bit suspicious if I didn't know you well enough.

I think the whole "Only white people can be racist" sentiment is borderline... err... "mentally deficient". Of course, I typically don't speak to people who actually believe that so no concerns with me siding with those types there. Of course there's also that fine line between people who call out racism, and people who think everything is racist. One is often mistaken for the other(Intentionally or otherwise). I have no issue with people... what's the phrase that gets thrown around a lot? Oh yes, "Call a spade a spade"(Heh)

But there's also a dangerous thought process that gets thrown around that amounts to "Nothing is racist! Only racists talk about racism! Stop discussing racism!" that serves no purpose other than to silence actual grievances. Those people would count me as their enemy.

Racism clearly exists. However, the left specifically had gone to just trying to paint anyone against their message as racists.

People in this very topic has stated people are racist if they do not agree with kneeling during the anthem. The sentiment is crazy.
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Screenshots and still cant admit he was wrong.
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Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Please Corrik, explain to me how Trump is using Pocahontas for ANY other reason beyond her being a Native American? 'Cause your Wayne Brady example doesn't quite work if the person is calling you Wayne Brady because they think you're telling unfunny jokes.

Seriously, if Trump wanted to poke fun at Elizabeth Warren for fudging her heritage, he could EASILY call her Lyin' Lizzy. It's got better alliteration, it rolls off the tongue, and more specifically, it addresses the fucking thing you're claiming his attack is based on. Hell, it works better than Lyin' Ted, who got down on his knees and started kissing Trump's ass after the convention.

He is making fun of her falsely claiming she was a Native American minority. Not that she was a Native American. Again. As stated 400 times. A clear difference.

Then why did he feel the need to attack her on the "Native American" part and not the "falsely claiming" part?

Are you serious right now? Do you not even know the fucking topic being discussed?

Are YOU serious? Either Trump is using Pocahontas as a derogatory slur to insult Elizabeth Warren's questionable Native American heritage, or Pocahontas was a middle-aged white woman merely PRETENDING to be Native American, in which case Donald Trump is remarkably skilled at finding the exact right example to compare his foe to.

Again, there is no reason to insult Elizabeth Warren by specifically calling her Pocahontas unless it's in a racial context. Just because she's white doesn't suddenly make attacking her with a racial slur okay.

He is making a joke at her falsely saying she was a minority Native American when she isn't. Nothing more. If you cannot accept that, then just be wrong and go about your merry way. I am not going to be able to make you have common sense. Have to achieve it on your own.
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lordloki12 posted...

Screenshots and still cant admit he was wrong.

I already stated every headline on the front page.
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Corrik posted...

lordloki12 posted...

Screenshots and still cant admit he was wrong.

I already stated every headline on the front page.

and Tony posted the picture proving you wrong. You are the only one who can't see it I guess.
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Corrik posted...

charmander6000 posted...

I can also confirm it is on the front page of CNN

It isn't but nice try. It is a headline in their world section.

Anywho. Going to sleep. Carry on with your nonsense til 500. We will get a new topic ready for ya.

Nope clearly on the first page though you do have to scroll slightly, stop being lazy.
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Corrik posted...

lordloki12 posted...

Screenshots and still cant admit he was wrong.

I already stated every headline on the front page.

gaslighting at its finest
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Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Corrik posted...

Inviso posted...

Please Corrik, explain to me how Trump is using Pocahontas for ANY other reason beyond her being a Native American? 'Cause your Wayne Brady example doesn't quite work if the person is calling you Wayne Brady because they think you're telling unfunny jokes.

Seriously, if Trump wanted to poke fun at Elizabeth Warren for fudging her heritage, he could EASILY call her Lyin' Lizzy. It's got better alliteration, it rolls off the tongue, and more specifically, it addresses the fucking thing you're claiming his attack is based on. Hell, it works better than Lyin' Ted, who got down on his knees and started kissing Trump's ass after the convention.

He is making fun of her falsely claiming she was a Native American minority. Not that she was a Native American. Again. As stated 400 times. A clear difference.

Then why did he feel the need to attack her on the "Native American" part and not the "falsely claiming" part?

Are you serious right now? Do you not even know the fucking topic being discussed?

Are YOU serious? Either Trump is using Pocahontas as a derogatory slur to insult Elizabeth Warren's questionable Native American heritage, or Pocahontas was a middle-aged white woman merely PRETENDING to be Native American, in which case Donald Trump is remarkably skilled at finding the exact right example to compare his foe to.

Again, there is no reason to insult Elizabeth Warren by specifically calling her Pocahontas unless it's in a racial context. Just because she's white doesn't suddenly make attacking her with a racial slur okay.

He is making a joke at her falsely saying she was a minority Native American when she isn't. Nothing more. If you cannot accept that, then just be wrong and go about your merry way. I am not going to be able to make you have common sense. Have to achieve it on your own.

Then he can EASILY call her a liar. If it's not a racial slur, then why does he need to specifically focus in on the "Native American" aspect of her falsehood? Hell, it'd be SO EASY to attack her just on the basis of lying. "Liberals love affirmative action, because it gets people like Lyin' Lizzy into college and into jobs that they weren't good enough to get on their own." So again, if it's not disparaging based on race, why is it so important to use Pocahontas as his anti-Warren attack? Especially after he's already been called out MONTHS ago for it being a slur BY Native American leadership.
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Corrik posted...

However, the left

Okay see it's this part of your argument that I'm getting bored of. Because yes there are dumbasses on that side of the political spectrum, just as there are dumbasses on every side of every political spectrum. There's an embarrassing amount of people on the left who blow everything out of proportion. There's an embarrassing amount of people on the right who literally sided with actual self admitted(Not someone who merely said something disagreeable) Nazis.

And let's not forget the dumbasses in the middle who said "Well golly, I won't vote because it doesn't matter!", and the ones who think "The middle ground is always right!" without the nuance to realize that yes, sometimes there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way.

Corrik posted...

People in this very topic has stated people are racist if they do not agree with kneeling during the anthem. The sentiment is crazy.

And that sentiment is crazy. But you want to know the really crazy part?

That's a reaction to the people who think kneeling is "Disrespecting America" or "The Flag" or "The Troops". When peaceful protest is made out to be an evil thing. And where did that craziness come from?
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Also, regarding the "Dictionary or Wikipedia's List of Slurs" argument...you do realize that language is ever-changing, right? It could be that Pocahontas isn't on the list because up until Donald Trump, it wasn't used quite so prolifically as a slur. Hell, there are words I know from uncomfortable family gatherings that aren't on the list, but if I heard them used, I'd know damn well they were slurs. So quit being a pedantic ass and admit you're wrong.
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Actually, scratch that. I literally don't want to see Corrik try to explain anything ever again, since he can't even read stuff on the front page of a website
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I kinda hope he makes a new Corrik Containment Topic though, it's pretty nice having actively avoiding the real topics
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It's actually pretty nice to be able to just argue stupidly in this topic while keeping the rest in the real topic
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yeah this series is basically the condensed shitposting thread and then we can pick up back with normal in the other one
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I feel like the minute I left the conversation we immediately regressed to the previous point and never left it again. Circular argument containment topic indeed.
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Lopen posted...

I feel like the minute I left the conversation we immediately regressed to the previous point and never left it again. Circular argument containment topic indeed.

I like how they keep saying that this topic contains all garbage and shit yet here they are all in this topic. Like this topic in 40 hours is going to close while the other topic is at a week or more and still isn't there. Clearly that says something about the people who come in this topic... I think.
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I see what the issue is. You guys are considering every last thing on the main website page as the front page news. Yinz are technically correct as you do not need to go to another link to view it.

I just don't consider anything under the world and USA and other dividers as front page. The front page is the main stories that transgress all categories to me.

But, as considering it all the front page (which now takes it from like 25 to 100 headlines), that headline and article is literally buried at the bottom of the page. If it was considered a major story, it would be at the top where the headlining news is.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik posted...

However, the left

Okay see it's this part of your argument that I'm getting bored of. Because yes there are dumbasses on that side of the political spectrum, just as there are dumbasses on every side of every political spectrum. There's an embarrassing amount of people on the left who blow everything out of proportion. There's an embarrassing amount of people on the right who literally sided with actual self admitted(Not someone who merely said something disagreeable) Nazis.

And let's not forget the dumbasses in the middle who said "Well golly, I won't vote because it doesn't matter!", and the ones who think "The middle ground is always right!" without the nuance to realize that yes, sometimes there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way.

Corrik posted...

People in this very topic has stated people are racist if they do not agree with kneeling during the anthem. The sentiment is crazy.

And that sentiment is crazy. But you want to know the really crazy part?

That's a reaction to the people who think kneeling is "Disrespecting America" or "The Flag" or "The Troops". When peaceful protest is made out to be an evil thing. And where did that craziness come from?

Disappointed in your view. The flag symbolizes America and the troops who served and died to protect said country. Blatantly going against how to respect something is disrespect. I am sorry you do not agree on this as it seems to be a very simple idea of respect to me.

A good portion of America views it that way. If ignorance is the excuse, there has been over a year now to acknowledge this and change the way.

If someone decided to peacefully protest during your loved one's funeral, maybe you would understand moreso the idea of time and place that does not create pain to others.

The entire point of doing that during the anthem was there from the start and was iterated by the person who started it. That they do not support our country due to whatever reason. However, the very beginning is the issue. By doing it, you are not supporting our country. Which signals that the whole point is to disrespect the country from the very onset. It is not an irrational view that it disrespects the country. It was stated from the onset, and the means was to create a shock value which was going to get publicity due to the disrespectful nature of it.

There are better settings for such protest. Just as there was a better setting for Trump's quip. It is sad people do not respect people more to take that into account before doing what they do, especially in prolonged and continuing acts.
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i like how when SEP asked corrik for proof that warren's native american heritage claims were false, corrik completely ignored him and repeated the "TRUMP WAS MOCKING WARREN'S FALSE CLAIMS" thing verbatim.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i like how when SEP asked corrik for proof that warren's native american heritage claims were false, corrik completely ignored him and repeated the "TRUMP WAS MOCKING WARREN'S FALSE CLAIMS" thing verbatim.

She herself has claimed she is at BEST 1/32nd Native American. She has one genealogy report that is contested in accuracy on whether she is even at all. Thus, she is not a Native American minority.

I do not know why you would even argue that aspect.

I posted a CNN article from 2016 which covers this already if you were not up to date on the issue.
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Corrik posted...

She herself has claimed she is at BEST 1/32nd Native American.

that would still make her partially native american.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

She herself has claimed she is at BEST 1/32nd Native American.

that would still make her partially native american.

That would not make her a Native American minority. Are you going to tell me that a person 31/32nds Caucasian and 1/32 of a random minority is a minority?

Please tell me this is not going to be your argument.
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Mostly common sense but IMPORTANT read for this crowd who just do not get it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-trumps-pocahontas-comment-wasnt-a-racial-slur/
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/
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I don't think you get to decide how patriotic someone is just by how much they honor symbols.

If someone doesn't like the state of the country right now then in their view it might be more disrespectful to honor an empty symbol.

I almost didn't want to post this because it's a small point don't want to be another penis in the gangbang but whatever!

This native American thing is so dumb
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pjbasis posted...

I don't think you get to decide how patriotic someone is just by how much they honor symbols.

If someone doesn't like the state of the country right now then in their view it might be more disrespectful to honor an empty symbol.

I almost didn't want to post this because it's a small point don't want to be another penis in the gangbang but whatever!

This native American thing is so dumb

Your opinion is always welcomed.
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Trump literally retweeting a string of anti-Muslim videos this morning
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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump literally retweeting a string of anti-Muslim videos this morning

Came to post this. Holy crap.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump literally retweeting a string of anti-Muslim videos this morning

It's a shame I can't just trust your word for it. Because my next thought "I wondering if these are actually anti-Muslim or just things that can easily be misconstrued as anti-Muslim".

I mean, that's pretty bad either way, but still.
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But ok I looked at it myself.

sigh
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pjbasis posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Trump literally retweeting a string of anti-Muslim videos this morning

It's a shame I can't just trust your word for it. Because my next thought "I wondering if these are actually anti-Muslim or just things that can easily be misconstrued as anti-Muslim".

I mean, that's pretty bad either way, but still.

Thats totally fair. You shouldnt just take my word for it. I just dont know a good way to link to someones re-tweets aside from just linking to their account itself.
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Ehhhh...
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Corrik posted...

Ehhhh...

Say it! I'm curious what another take on it could be.
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pjbasis posted...

Corrik posted...

Ehhhh...

Say it! I'm curious what another take on it could be.

The throwing the boy off a roof video is not an anti-muslim video. Nor is the beating the boy up video. The Virgin Mary video is very debatable.
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What sentiment are the videos meant to invoke, Corrik?
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What do you think the intent was?
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Damn it jak
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I mean this is pretty blatant. Its not like you cant easily search White man attacks Muslim and get a bunch of videos. Assholes exist in every race and every religion, anyone with a brain knows that.

I tried but I cant find any reason behind retweeting those videos other than to pander to his most racist fans... which makes me very sad.
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Jakyl25 posted...

What sentiment are the videos meant to invoke, Corrik?

Anti-immigration, anti-terrorism for the 2 I said.

The virgin Mary one is debatable. That one I could see being anti-muslim as a Muslim not being down with Christianity symbols doesn't seem to out of place.
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Go Heels!
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