Board 8 > I hate the left.

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Vlado posted...

If you can get addicted to it, it's a problem that must be rooted out.

Time to get rid of everything then. Porn, video games, blogging, etc.
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rock what are you doing
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TheRock1525 posted...

Time to get rid of everything then. Porn, video games, blogging, etc.

The internet.
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what if I'm addicted to asceticism
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redrocket_pub posted...

rock what are you doing

Bringing us one step closer to the crash.
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I agree with you on everything in the first paragraph, but I have no issues with the left. Maybe it's because I've only been to twitter once and it was because I was checking for updates on a ddos in Diablo 3 and the battlenet app had no info and just "check tiwtter for upd8s" plus I stopped even checking Facebook when a local pokemon go group switched to slack, and I don't use any other social media. I've never knowingly had a sjw type get offended by anything I've said or done irl and the only online interactions I've had with those types have been on this site and have been mostly positive or neutral. I also enjoy spouting sjw ideologies to troll trump supports/alt-right/religious people because it is fun to watch them have meltdowns.

When I talk about my beliefs, no one seems triggered. I say things like "I'll use the pronouns you want so long as they aren't made up ones because that's not how pronouns work" and no one gives me shit for it.

I'm relatively careful what I say to/around people, but within reason, and I've always made the same relative level of effort to not offend throughout my entire life... and I turned 30 before I ever even heard or saw terms like "social justice," sjw, safe space, trigger warning and all that other stuff. At the same time, I would be very quick to jump down someone's throat for getting offended for no reason at me and I would one-up them hard on the shaming and anger. I can have a very intimidating presence, am incapable of presenting myself as intimidated and am very articulate and selective with my words, so if some sjw gives me trouble and is looking for an argument, they will ended up humbled and regretful of trying to teach me a lesson. So far, that's never happened.
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KB trolled better, was more missed, and didn't act like he didn't care about politics while talking about politics.

Try again in a few years.
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Pronouns are made up though. All language is made up. This is just a language thing here, but words are made up all the time. Poets invent them, they get invented to describe new technologies, someone uses a word they thought was a word but wasn't before and it catches on. It's how language evolves and grows. Language is a shared delusion we use to communicate, there is no language fairy who comes from on high to teach us the right way to language.
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Vlado posted...

There's nothing sad about improving your quality of life by abandoning harmful habits.

You are the most pornographically addicted person I'v ever seen. Not necessarily sexual pornography, but emotional and political pornography. Every single one of your posts is some form of intellectual masturbation. Also run babe brawl religiously...
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Its really funny watching the left try to defend their mob mentality one day after they bullied a 23 year old girl into killing herself.

It's also quite funny to watch a grown man throw temper tantrums over being unable to beat the Abyss Watchers.
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Tomba42 posted...

Pronouns are made up though. All language is made up. This is just a language thing here, but words are made up all the time. Poets invent them, they get invented to describe new technologies, someone uses a word they thought was a word but wasn't before and it catches on. It's how language evolves and grows. Language is a shared delusion we use to communicate, there is no language fairy who comes from on high to teach us the right way to language.

That's all fine, but pronouns have a specific function. They are passively spoken words, in that you don't actively select them mentally before speaking them. They just roll off the tongue automatically and intuitively. If I have to pause to think of the word I want to use, it isn't really a pronoun. I'm not comfortable having to mentally pause to select a word to use in a pronoun context. It feels like it goes against the natural process of the language part of the brain and I'm not okay with that. I'm fine using she for a biological male or he for a biological female if that's what is preferred and I'm more than happy to use they for anyone who prefers that, but other options just do not work for me as pronouns because I just can't consider them pronouns at all.
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What exactly is the topic of this topic?

Politics topic 4,387. Yawn.

FigureOfSpeech posted...

I'm fine using she for a biological male or he for a biological female if that's what is preferred and I'm more than happy to use they for anyone who prefers that

What if they look like a "he" but prefer "she" and you have to keep correcting yourself in your mind before saying the wrong pronoun? Then it causes too much strain on your brain and you're not cool with that right? They should just use "he" to make you feel more comfortable.

What you're saying is everyone needs to cater to your brain and make sure you never feel too uncomfortable thinking about how to address someone. That's pretty weak.

Also you're especially wrong because using "they" for everything requires absolutely 0 thinking.

What's crazy is that you will literally never learn any other language because English is by far the easiest with grammatical gender (except for maybeeee some Asian languages but not quite) and it still gives you too much trouble.
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abolish he/she and just use "it" for everything imo

the Finnish way
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foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

I'm fine using she for a biological male or he for a biological female if that's what is preferred and I'm more than happy to use they for anyone who prefers that

What if they look like a "he" but prefer "she" and you have to keep correcting yourself in your mind before saying the wrong pronoun? Then it causes too much strain on your brain and you're not cool with that right? They should just use "he" to make you feel more comfortable.

What you're saying is everyone needs to cater to your brain and make sure you never feel too uncomfortable thinking about how to address someone. That's pretty weak.

Also you're especially wrong because using "they" for everything requires absolutely 0 thinking.

What's crazy is that you will literally never learn any other language because English is by far the easiest with grammatical gender (except for maybeeee some Asian languages but not quite) and it still gives you too much trouble.

Nope. Incorrect. "What you're saying" as you used the phrase is actually "What I am incorrectly assuming you're saying"

A pronoun is still a pronoun. I would only have to correct myself the first time. After that, it is as natural as it would be if the person preferred the "expected pronoun." I know this because it's not a speculative scenario, it's already proven by experience.

Also, I will literally never learn any other language because I'm terrible at learning other languages. I do speak/write/think in ways that translate easily. I have tried other languages and when it comes to reading and hearing, I'm decent, but speaking and writing, I just get flustered.

Whatever you were trying to do with that post, you failed miserably and I'm wholeheartedly embarrassed for you and ashamed of you for it.
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I'd close my account if I was foolmo right now.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

I know this because it's not a speculative scenario, it's already proven by experience.

Then why are you so afraid of a different pronoun? You'll just have to correct yourself the first time, it's not a big deal.

But the point is, you're defining linguistics based on what makes you feel good. Which you can do but it makes you a 4 year old child at best.

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Also, I will literally never learn any other language because I'm terrible at learning other languages

And yet you're a master of linguistics on gamefaqs.
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foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

I know this because it's not a speculative scenario, it's already proven by experience.

Then why are you so afraid of a different pronoun? You'll just have to correct yourself the first time, it's not a big deal.

But the point is, you're defining linguistics based on what makes you feel good. Which you can do but it makes you a 4 year old child at best.

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Also, I will literally never learn any other language because I'm terrible at learning other languages

And yet you're a master of linguistics on gamefaqs.

Made up words don't function as pronouns. It's not how pronouns work.

"Feel good" "4 year old" what are you on about? I'm defining linguistics on the mental processes that occur with language and citing my own mind as an example and as experience. There is no "feel good." Pronouns aren't associated with feeling. They are a linguistically auto-pilot function and are spoken inadvertently. Otherwise, they are not pronouns. Stop trying to make everything about feelings, ulti.
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Again, stop digging on "made up words". All words are made up you dingus. He and she had to be invented at some point.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

They are passively spoken words, in that you don't actively select them mentally before speaking them.

this is nonsense tbh you select them as actively as any other word
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Tomba42 posted...

Again, stop digging on "made up words". All words are made up you dingus. He and she had to be invented at some point.

No shit. I'm not addressing any simpleton ideas like "words did or did not magically exist before humans"

If that's the angle you're going for, you aren't going to understand the points I am making.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Made up words don't function as pronouns. It's not how pronouns work.

you heard it here

he/she/it have always existed and always will exist

they were created at the moment the universe came into being and will be here until the big crunch
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TC whines too much. What a snowflake.
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Kenri posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

They are passively spoken words, in that you don't actively select them mentally before speaking them.

this is nonsense tbh you select them as actively as any other word

When you are first learning the language, yeah. When was the last time you paused to select a specific word, whether speaking, writing or just in a thought? Think about instances where you've done this. How frequently is the word you pause for a pronoun? They aren't the only types of words this doesn't happen with, but they are one example. Such words should not be substituted with random arbitrary made up words. You wouldn't just up and go "I think from now on I will say 'scree' instead of 'the' and 'zlork' instead of 'and.' That seems logical." I view pronouns the same way.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Kenri posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

They are passively spoken words, in that you don't actively select them mentally before speaking them.

this is nonsense tbh you select them as actively as any other word

When you are first learning the language, yeah. When was the last time you paused to select a specific word, whether speaking, writing or just in a thought? Think about instances where you've done this. How frequently is the word you pause for a pronoun? They aren't the only types of words this doesn't happen with, but they are one example. Such words should not be substituted with random arbitrary made up words. You wouldn't just up and go "I think from now on I will say 'scree' instead of 'the' and 'zlork' instead of 'and.' That seems logical." I view pronouns the same way.

Have you tried applying this same thought to any other extremely common word? Gotta say I pause wrt pronouns a lot more often than something like "cat" or "dog" or "car" or "food".
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Not_an_Owl posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Made up words don't function as pronouns. It's not how pronouns work.

you heard it here

he/she/it have always existed and always will exist

they were created at the moment the universe came into being and will be here until the big crunch

I don't like that when I'm on my phone, I don't have the option to put a user on ignore.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Pronouns aren't associated with feeling.

They are to you because you know absolutely nothing about linguistics so you only have your own feelings to go off. You think how you feel is the law. It's not, you're wrong, and you even admit you don't know shit about language.

But that's all. There's nothing more to argue about this.
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Kenri posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Kenri posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

They are passively spoken words, in that you don't actively select them mentally before speaking them.

this is nonsense tbh you select them as actively as any other word

When you are first learning the language, yeah. When was the last time you paused to select a specific word, whether speaking, writing or just in a thought? Think about instances where you've done this. How frequently is the word you pause for a pronoun? They aren't the only types of words this doesn't happen with, but they are one example. Such words should not be substituted with random arbitrary made up words. You wouldn't just up and go "I think from now on I will say 'scree' instead of 'the' and 'zlork' instead of 'and.' That seems logical." I view pronouns the same way.

Have you tried applying this same thought to any other extremely common word? Gotta say I pause wrt pronouns a lot more often than something like "cat" or "dog" or "car" or "food".

I wouldn't give thought to words that would have as many synonymous options as words like those.
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foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Pronouns aren't associated with feeling.

They are to you because you know absolutely nothing about linguistics so you only have your own feelings to go off. You think how you feel is the law. It's not, you're wrong, and you even admit you don't know shit about language.

But that's all. There's nothing more to argue about this.

I don't have feelings to go off of so that accusation is senseless. I don't know why you can't let go of this "feelings" concept because it has nothing to do with what I was discussing.

I did not admit not knowing shit about language. That is a severe misrepresentation. What I admitted was that I struggle to learn new languages because the process starts from the bottom up, and learning a new language by learning to speak it at its most simple levels is counterintuitive and difficult for me.
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This is why, like Tobias Funke, I only use one pronoun.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

If I have to pause to think of the word I want to use, it isn't really a pronoun. I'm not comfortable having to mentally pause to select a word to use in a pronoun context. It feels like it goes against the natural process of the language part of the brain and I'm not okay with that. I'm fine using she for a biological male or he for a biological female if that's what is preferred and I'm more than happy to use they for anyone who prefers that, but other options just do not work for me as pronouns because I just can't consider them pronouns at all.

Yeah dude I don't know where this "feelings" stuff comes from at all. Like I said, you win this round so let's just drop it.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

I don't have feelings to go off of

wow so edgy
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Tomba42 posted...

Again, stop digging on "made up words". All words are made up you dingus. He and she had to be invented at some point.

Ok I'm going to jump in here. Obviously all words are made up, however words fall into either closed class or open class. Open class typically accepts new words, and includes things like nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs, basically the more semantically significant categories. Closed class is resistant to change and are more functional, and includes things like articles, prepositions, auxiliary verbs, and of course pronouns.

So no, FoS is not exactly wrong. Pronouns are closed class so changing them or adding new ones is harder than just coming up with a new noun or verb
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This must be concluded on New Year's Eve at Wembley. Split the Gate!

I'll get on the horn to Frank Warren.
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MZero11 posted...

So no, FoS is not exactly wrong. Pronouns are closed class so changing them or adding new ones is harder than just coming up with a new noun or verb

He is exactly wrong because while rare, closed class words can and do change, and have changed in this case

I don't get this obsession with trying to find the tiniest thread of correctness in someone who is unequivocally wrong, and then giving them the entire benefit of the doubt
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foolm0r0n posted...

MZero11 posted...

So no, FoS is not exactly wrong. Pronouns are closed class so changing them or adding new ones is harder than just coming up with a new noun or verb

He is exactly wrong because while rare, closed class words can and do change, and have changed in this case

I don't get this obsession with trying to find the tiniest thread of correctness in someone who is unequivocally wrong, and then giving them the entire benefit of the doubt

They can change, yes. But it is completely reasonable and expected to feel uncomfortable in this situation, and to have a hard time adjusting to it.
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love too center the argument on the minutia and not the affected
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foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

If I have to pause to think of the word I want to use, it isn't really a pronoun. I'm not comfortable having to mentally pause to select a word to use in a pronoun context. It feels like it goes against the natural process of the language part of the brain and I'm not okay with that. I'm fine using she for a biological male or he for a biological female if that's what is preferred and I'm more than happy to use they for anyone who prefers that, but other options just do not work for me as pronouns because I just can't consider them pronouns at all.

Yeah dude I don't know where this "feelings" stuff comes from at all. Like I said, you win this round so let's just drop it.

First bolded part shouldn't be bolded, but okay, I'll take half the credit for you misinterpreting much of what I said because had I chosen different words, there is a possibility that you would have interpreted me correctly.

"I'm not comfortable" sentence can be rephrased as "A word doesn't work as a pronoun if one has to actively pause and consider the word to use," though this, as already stated doesn't apply to a young child still learning language. "It feels like" = "I perceive it to be." "I'm not okay with that"/"I'm fine with" is a stretch but think of it as "that is contradictory to how pronouns are meant to function."/"I am perfectly willing to" (or is also too feeling-oriented?). More than happy is just an expression which you took literally. The last two, I am unable to determine where you are deriving feeling from.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

I don't have feelings to go off of

wow so edgy

Yes, I am edgy on account of the fact that pronouns in and of themselves do not inspire feelings in me. (You're going to try and cite this argument as evidence to the contrary, but any feelings I have within the argument are sourced at the fact that it's an argument, so "in and of themselves" is the key phrase here).
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MZero11 posted...

Tomba42 posted...

Again, stop digging on "made up words". All words are made up you dingus. He and she had to be invented at some point.

Ok I'm going to jump in here. Obviously all words are made up, however words fall into either closed class or open class. Open class typically accepts new words, and includes things like nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs, basically the more semantically significant categories. Closed class is resistant to change and are more functional, and includes things like articles, prepositions, auxiliary verbs, and of course pronouns.

So no, FoS is not exactly wrong. Pronouns are closed class so changing them or adding new ones is harder than just coming up with a new noun or verb

This is the point I was trying to make.
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foolm0r0n posted...

MZero11 posted...

So no, FoS is not exactly wrong. Pronouns are closed class so changing them or adding new ones is harder than just coming up with a new noun or verb

He is exactly wrong because while rare, closed class words can and do change, and have changed in this case

I don't get this obsession with trying to find the tiniest thread of correctness in someone who is unequivocally wrong, and then giving them the entire benefit of the doubt

Not "he." My pronoun of choice is "scree"
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

My pronoun of choice is "scree"

noted
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Scree is wrong and dumb as fuck
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foolm0r0n posted...

Scree is wrong and dumb as fuck

Don't be a fucking asshole, but do keep up with the scree. It is further from mockery than you think it is, both when I used it and you use it.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

"I'm not comfortable" sentence can be rephrased as "A word doesn't work as a pronoun if one has to actively pause and consider the word to use," though this, as already stated doesn't apply to a young child still learning language. "It feels like" = "I perceive it to be." "I'm not okay with that"/"I'm fine with" is a stretch but think of it as "that is contradictory to how pronouns are meant to function."/"I am perfectly willing to" (or is also too feeling-oriented?). More than happy is just an expression which you took literally. The last two, I am unable to determine where you are deriving feeling from.

Okay, I can see how strongly you feel about not feeling anything and I'll respect that
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Don't be a fucking asshole, but do keep up with the scree. It is further from mockery than you think it is, both when I used it and you use it.

Why do you think I was talking about you in that post?
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foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

"I'm not comfortable" sentence can be rephrased as "A word doesn't work as a pronoun if one has to actively pause and consider the word to use," though this, as already stated doesn't apply to a young child still learning language. "It feels like" = "I perceive it to be." "I'm not okay with that"/"I'm fine with" is a stretch but think of it as "that is contradictory to how pronouns are meant to function."/"I am perfectly willing to" (or is also too feeling-oriented?). More than happy is just an expression which you took literally. The last two, I am unable to determine where you are deriving feeling from.

Okay, I can see how strongly you feel about not feeling anything and I'll respect that

Feeling anything in the argument is a result of the argument itself, which hadn't started in my initial post. Of course I would feel things as a result of arguing. I addressed that in response to owl in post 89.
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foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Don't be a fucking asshole, but do keep up with the scree. It is further from mockery than you think it is, both when I used it and you use it.

Why do you think I was talking about you in that post?

Yes.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

"I'm not comfortable" sentence can be rephrased as "A word doesn't work as a pronoun if one has to actively pause and consider the word to use," though this, as already stated doesn't apply to a young child still learning language. "It feels like" = "I perceive it to be." "I'm not okay with that"/"I'm fine with" is a stretch but think of it as "that is contradictory to how pronouns are meant to function."/"I am perfectly willing to" (or is also too feeling-oriented?). More than happy is just an expression which you took literally. The last two, I am unable to determine where you are deriving feeling from.

Okay, I can see how strongly you feel about not feeling anything and I'll respect that

Feeling anything in the argument is a result of the argument itself, which hadn't started in my initial post. Of course I would feel things as a result of arguing. I addressed that in response to owl in post 89.

says he wishes he could ignore me

responds anyway
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Not_an_Owl posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

"I'm not comfortable" sentence can be rephrased as "A word doesn't work as a pronoun if one has to actively pause and consider the word to use," though this, as already stated doesn't apply to a young child still learning language. "It feels like" = "I perceive it to be." "I'm not okay with that"/"I'm fine with" is a stretch but think of it as "that is contradictory to how pronouns are meant to function."/"I am perfectly willing to" (or is also too feeling-oriented?). More than happy is just an expression which you took literally. The last two, I am unable to determine where you are deriving feeling from.

Okay, I can see how strongly you feel about not feeling anything and I'll respect that

Feeling anything in the argument is a result of the argument itself, which hadn't started in my initial post. Of course I would feel things as a result of arguing. I addressed that in response to owl in post 89.

says he wishes he could ignore me

responds anyway

I'll decide whether or not you go on ignore when I get home and actually have the option to ignore.
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