Poll of the Day > It is wrong to try to normalize circumcision

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mooreandrew58
12/13/17 1:24:31 AM
#102:


Dikitain posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Dikitain posted...
I mean if you are going to use that argument then why not kill a baby when it is crying? What if it isn't consenting to living and you are denying them the right to die?

Seriously? You don't actively consent to living. You just live.

You consent to live through eating, breathing, and drinking. If someone stops doing one or more of those things, then they aren't consenting to live anymore.

Yet we force newborn babies to breath, eat, and drink. So how is that any different?


how exactly do you force someone to breath? its something we do even in our sleep thats just natural. and eating and drinking? yeah we force babies to do it even when they don't want to, but trust me they get hungry and thirsty and want food and water. they are just incapable of getting it themselves.
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Super_Thug44
12/13/17 1:26:56 AM
#103:


mooreandrew58 posted...
yeah we force babies to do it even when they don't want to,


it's pretty clear when a baby is done feeding or doesn't want any more food. nobody is forcing food or milk down their throats.
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LinkPizza
12/13/17 1:27:34 AM
#104:


mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
LinkPizza posted...

Yeah. But this isn't needed.

Yeah. Neither is circumcision

And in the end, most people are glad they are circumcised.


glad or just fine with it? if glad i'm willing to bet because they are just glad to be normal. I really don't care to be honest but if say it where to be banned, I doubt those who go on in the next several generations uncut, they would be just as perfectly fine with it.

That what I've been saying. Most people are fine with whatever penis they grew up with. And even if some people are glad only because they feel it's normal, that's still fine. And I have heard people actually say they are glad they were cut. Also, just because you like that you were cut doesn't mean you're ignorant or uninformed. That's a ridiculous comment.
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Yellow
12/13/17 1:27:46 AM
#105:


Dikitain posted...
You consent to live through eating, breathing, and drinking. If someone stops doing one or more of those things, then they aren't consenting to live anymore.

Yet we force newborn babies to breath, eat, and drink. So how is that any different?

The fact that newborns can't live independently does not warrant total control over them.

I cannot get my baby a nose-job without having the police get involved.
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 1:28:22 AM
#106:


Dikitain posted...
You consent to live through eating, breathing, and drinking. If someone stops done one or more of those things, then they aren't consenting to live anymore.

Yet we force newborn babies to breath, eat, and drink. So how is that any different?

We force people to do those things regardless of age through medical care. When people stop breathing they get support. You can't intentionally suffocate through holding your breath.

Food and liquid... Remember all that hubbub about Schiavo having her feeding tube pulled? She wasn't an infant. Physically she couldn't feed herself. Food and water are basic needs. If people can't fulfill them on their own, the people responsible for them (in the case of a baby that's a parent) must fulfill their needs. If they don't that's neglect.

Circumcision (and cosmetic alteration) surprisingly is not a basic human need like breathing, eating, or drinking.
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LinkPizza
12/13/17 1:29:24 AM
#107:


In the end, just because certain people don't like or see the need for circumcision, it doesn't mean everyone needs to feel the same as you.
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mooreandrew58
12/13/17 1:29:32 AM
#108:


Super_Thug44 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
yeah we force babies to do it even when they don't want to,


it's pretty clear when a baby is done feeding or doesn't want any more food. nobody is forcing food or milk down their throats.


true I guess I was thinking about where parents keep trying to coerce the baby into taking a bite of baby food despite the baby getting pissy with them. babies can be picky eaters sometimes.
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 1:30:18 AM
#109:


LinkPizza posted...
In the end, just because certain people don't like or see the need for circumcision, it doesn't mean everyone needs to feel the same as you.

There's nothing we can do for people that are already circumcised. But you can think about if that's the right thing to do to your child.
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Super_Thug44
12/13/17 1:30:46 AM
#110:


I think the most basic question to ask for people who are supportive of circumcision is: would you have your baby boy (if you had one) get a circ done? If yes, why?
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LinkPizza
12/13/17 1:32:49 AM
#111:


Doctor Foxx posted...
LinkPizza posted...
In the end, just because certain people don't like or see the need for circumcision, it doesn't mean everyone needs to feel the same as you.

There's nothing we can do for people that are already circumcised. But you can think about if that's the right thing to do to your child.

Nobody knows the "right" thing to do. Probably because when it comes to this, there's no right or wrong. At least, I don't see it like that. I feel most people do whatever was done to them. And that's fine. Or you can do research and go the other route. That's fine. Like I said, most people are fine with whatever penis they grow up with.
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Super_Thug44
12/13/17 1:35:29 AM
#112:


LinkPizza posted...
Nobody knows the "right" thing to do. Probably because when it comes to this, there's no right or wrong. At least, I don't see it like that. I feel most people do whatever was done to them. And that's fine. Or you can do research and go the other route. That's fine. Like I said, most people are fine with whatever penis they grow up with.


The right thing is to let your kid figure out if they want to slice their penis up later on life. Would you agree that most parents have their child circumcised because of cosmetic reasons? If yes, would you think it would be okay for other parts of a baby's body to be altered for purely cosmetic reasons? If no, why do people still want their children circumcised?
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 1:40:40 AM
#113:


LinkPizza posted...
I feel most people do whatever was done to them. And that's fine.

This is also the cycle of abuse...

LinkPizza posted...
Nobody knows the "right" thing to do. Probably because when it comes to this, there's no right or wrong.

Circumcision itself is just a procedure. The procedure is neither right not wrong. It is only a procedure.

The question is whether it is right or wrong to never give a person the option to remain as they were born.

I believe that it's wrong. If you don't circumcise a child they can still get it done later. Even if it's uncomfortable. It's their body. They will end up exactly as they choose to be with that very personal permanent decision.

If you do it for them, they will never have the choice. They can never go back. They could never ask you to stop. And that is where the issue lies.
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LinkPizza
12/13/17 1:41:54 AM
#114:


Super_Thug44 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Nobody knows the "right" thing to do. Probably because when it comes to this, there's no right or wrong. At least, I don't see it like that. I feel most people do whatever was done to them. And that's fine. Or you can do research and go the other route. That's fine. Like I said, most people are fine with whatever penis they grow up with.


The right thing is to let your kid figure out if they want to slice their penis up later on life. Would you agree that most parents have their child circumcised because of cosmetic reasons? If yes, would you think it would be okay for other parts of a baby's body to be altered for purely cosmetic reasons? If no, why do people still want their children circumcised?

The thing is, by that point, the decision has basically been made for them by that point. At least, for a majority of men. As I said earlier, most people are fine with the penis they grew up with. And they have had that penis for years now.
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 1:44:14 AM
#117:


LinkPizza posted...
the decision has basically been made for them by that point.

That decision should only be made by the person that has the body. It's their damn body
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Super_Thug44
12/13/17 1:44:29 AM
#118:


LinkPizza posted...
Super_Thug44 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Nobody knows the "right" thing to do. Probably because when it comes to this, there's no right or wrong. At least, I don't see it like that. I feel most people do whatever was done to them. And that's fine. Or you can do research and go the other route. That's fine. Like I said, most people are fine with whatever penis they grow up with.


The right thing is to let your kid figure out if they want to slice their penis up later on life. Would you agree that most parents have their child circumcised because of cosmetic reasons? If yes, would you think it would be okay for other parts of a baby's body to be altered for purely cosmetic reasons? If no, why do people still want their children circumcised?

The thing is, by that point, the decision has basically been made for them by that point. At least, for a majority of men. As I said earlier, most people are fine with the penis they grew up with. And they have had that penis for years now.


i'm not talking about people now who are living with something that is irreversible. I'm talking about people who are brand new in this world. you didn't answer any of my questions regarding that.
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Yellow
12/13/17 1:46:19 AM
#119:


LinkPizza posted...
That what I've been saying. Most people are fine with whatever penis they grew up with. And even if some people are glad only because they feel it's normal, that's still fine. And I have heard people actually say they are glad they were cut. Also, just because you like that you were cut doesn't mean you're ignorant or uninformed. That's a ridiculous comment.

Yes, but I'm not. You're saying you're fine that I am unhappy with my body modifications, as long as some or most people are. That's the convenient part you left out.

Where do I fit in there? Huh? Probably under "tough luck".

That's a ridiculous comment.

It's really not. "Gee, I'm so happy I don't have to take two seconds to clean that specific part of my body in the shower every morning. I totally don't care that the most sensitive part of my penis isn't there", give me a break.

"I sure am glad my penis doesn't look like those guys' penises"
Because plastic surgery is a fashion statement. Or peer pressure, always a completely valid thing to give into.

"I'm so glad I won't get any urinary tract infections"
Yes. A mild issue that affects a small percentage of the population. Why not cut off your fingers, as sometimes they can pull your whole hand into a wood chipper? Fingers can lead to smoking, masturbation, and molestation. (We may or may not sell your fingers to researchers or random people over the internet)

"I don't care about it."
Good, then you won't mind if we get rid of it.

"I'm glad I got it done as a kid, so I never had to get it done as an adult."
You'd much alter your brain development than get a shot in the dick at 18 for non-beneficial reasons. Also, why would you want it done in the first place. Non-reason.
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Cacciato
12/13/17 2:17:21 AM
#120:


&Yellow posted...
Anisoptera posted...
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a foreskin.

There is something wrong with not having foreskin.

In the same way there's something wrong with having your fingernails removed as an infant. Just ripped out, you know. No anesthetics. It looks so much better. Probably more sanitary. The priests of olden times pretty much nailed it. They really rolled the dice there.

You already know I think youre mentally stunted, but you also have an odd fascination with penises.
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 2:37:41 AM
#121:


You can be against circumcision without being obsessed with penises.
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LeetCheet
12/13/17 2:50:46 AM
#122:


Personally, my foreskin kinda bothers me due to an issue.
I wouldn't be totally against cutting it off as that could help in my case.
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Yellow
12/13/17 2:51:34 AM
#123:


Cacciato posted...
You already know I think youre mentally stunted, but you also have an odd fascination with penises.

The fact that you contribute literally nothing to any conversation besides abuse means I didn't really care. You're really not even good at insults. There's nothing clever about trying to make someone feel bad because they might be gay.

See, the thing about abuse, is it has to come along with respect, and since I don't respect you at all it's actually kind of funny.
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Cacciato
12/13/17 2:55:25 AM
#124:


Yellow posted...
Cacciato posted...
You already know I think youre mentally stunted, but you also have an odd fascination with penises.

The fact that you contribute literally nothing to any conversation besides abuse means I didn't really care. You're really not even good at insults. There's nothing clever about trying to make someone feel bad because they might be gay.

See, the thing about abuse, is it has to come along with respect, and since I don't respect you at all it's actually kind of funny.

But I was abused. And I wasnt insulting your sexual orientation, just your fascination with dicks. Im straight but I dont make a bunch of vagina topics.
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 12:35:39 PM
#125:


All because you don't remember what has happened to you as a baby it doesn't mean it did not have an impact on your development.
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 12:37:41 PM
#126:


Cacciato posted...
Yellow posted...
Cacciato posted...
You already know I think youre mentally stunted, but you also have an odd fascination with penises.

The fact that you contribute literally nothing to any conversation besides abuse means I didn't really care. You're really not even good at insults. There's nothing clever about trying to make someone feel bad because they might be gay.

See, the thing about abuse, is it has to come along with respect, and since I don't respect you at all it's actually kind of funny.

But I was abused. And I wasnt insulting your sexual orientation, just your fascination with dicks. Im straight but I dont make a bunch of vagina topics.


This is a topic on circumcision. People are going to talk about penises in it. Be mature about it.
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Cacciato
12/13/17 12:48:48 PM
#127:


Anisoptera posted...
Cacciato posted...
Yellow posted...
Cacciato posted...
You already know I think youre mentally stunted, but you also have an odd fascination with penises.

The fact that you contribute literally nothing to any conversation besides abuse means I didn't really care. You're really not even good at insults. There's nothing clever about trying to make someone feel bad because they might be gay.

See, the thing about abuse, is it has to come along with respect, and since I don't respect you at all it's actually kind of funny.

But I was abused. And I wasnt insulting your sexual orientation, just your fascination with dicks. Im straight but I dont make a bunch of vagina topics.


This is a topic on circumcision. People are going to talk about penises in it. Be mature about it.

Did you use your anteater to hit the quote button?
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bulbinking
12/13/17 12:55:21 PM
#128:


Yellow posted...
bulbinking posted...
The ADL has a lot of political power in the states so itll never be banned, and hospitals make bank selling the foreskins to big pharma, so even less reason to quit!

I am incredibly surprised to learn that babies' foreskin is sold at anywhere from $300-$800. I thought you were shitposting, because your post sounded like one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

https://www.thermofisher.com/order/catalog/product/C0045C

It's right here. You can buy it off the internet and have it shipped to your house.

Every now and then my faith in humanity drops to a new low.


The reason im so negative all the time is because im cultured enough to know how stupid people are all around the world.

But there is hope for the future!

http://www.foregen.org

Also to all the deniers/skeptics, as a man who has only partially begun to regrow his foreskin through skin stimulation growth techniques, I can co firm that having more loose skin on your shaft makes any sort of stimulation feel better and less lubrication is required for your partner to feel comfortable as well. Front OR back.

p.s. despite what people think about me I dont intentionally shitpost.
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Cacciato
12/13/17 1:00:18 PM
#129:


bulbinking posted...
p.s. despite what people think about me I dont intentionally shitpost.

Thats good. At least its natural, unlike your disgustingly re-grown Franken-foreskin.
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bulbinking
12/13/17 1:16:44 PM
#130:


Cacciato posted...
bulbinking posted...
p.s. despite what people think about me I dont intentionally shitpost.

Thats good. At least its natural, unlike your disgustingly re-grown Franken-foreskin.


Hey, thats how the jews survived and went undetected by nazis in WWII, foreskins is one of the first things they looked for.

You have a disgusting attitude, but its not surprising to me. I too used to lash out at the thought of what was taken from me when I finally realized it, but since then have come to accept it and work towards means of recovery too.

Im sorry you are in pain, but lashing out at others wont get you any help.
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Cacciato
12/13/17 1:32:48 PM
#131:


Lol
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ZiggiStardust
12/13/17 1:35:14 PM
#132:


gross dog dong, ok?
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Jen0125
12/13/17 1:59:06 PM
#133:


lmao ziggi staaaahp
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Zareth
12/13/17 2:53:55 PM
#134:


Kimbo got cut when he was a teenager and he doesn't regret it at all.
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PaddysPub
12/13/17 2:55:26 PM
#135:


can you imagine the feminist argument if a similar procedure was regularly done on women?

Men mutilate our genitalia for their visual pleasure!!! Burn the patriarchy!!
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 2:59:56 PM
#136:


PaddysPub posted...
can you imagine the feminist argument if a similar procedure was regularly done on women?

Men mutilate our genitalia for their visual pleasure!!! Burn the patriarchy!!

Feminism is against infant circumcision.
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PaddysPub
12/13/17 3:01:16 PM
#137:


why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?
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ZiggiStardust
12/13/17 3:04:18 PM
#138:


PaddysPub posted...
why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?

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PaddysPub
12/13/17 3:05:15 PM
#139:


ZiggiStardust posted...
PaddysPub posted...
why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?

Evse5d8

fun fact: that building is in downtown Los Angeles (almost all of the show is filmed in LA) and Ive been a couple times.
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 3:05:18 PM
#140:


PaddysPub posted...
why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?

It's about bodily autonomy and not doing permanent cosmetic surgery to someone that can't consent. You're right that feminists would be mad if this were done to baby girls, they're also mad this is being done to baby boys routinely.

Why aren't men mad about that being done to them? That's what I want to know.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/circumcision-rates-declining-health-risks-rising-study-says/
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 3:06:54 PM
#141:


PaddysPub posted...
why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?


Do you know of the negative affects of circumcision ? or why it's kept legal despite efforts to stop it for decades? A lot of people who don't care just don't know any better. It's 2017 and babies in America are still dying from botched circumcisions from professional doctors. No baby shouldn't have to die from an unnecessary medical procedure. No one should have their life ruined by a botched circumcision. Circumcision is completely unnecessary. Even if you are fine with your circumcision, it was a procedure done on you without your consent.
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ZiggiStardust
12/13/17 3:08:13 PM
#142:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Why aren't men mad about that being done to them? That's what I want to know.

because we don't want to repulse women with a weird dog dong when we finally have sexytimes, ok?
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 3:10:10 PM
#143:


There is nothing repulsive with an uncircumcised penis. Circumcision causes dryness of the glans. An intact penis's glans are smooth and moist.
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PaddysPub
12/13/17 3:10:31 PM
#144:


Anisoptera posted...
PaddysPub posted...
why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?


Do you know of the negative affects of circumcision ? or why it's kept legal despite efforts to stop it for decades? A lot of people who don't care just don't know any better. It's 2017 and babies in America are still dying from botched circumcisions from professional doctors. No baby shouldn't have to die from an unnecessary medical procedure. No one should have their life ruined by a botched circumcision. Circumcision is completely unnecessary. Even if you are fine with your circumcision, it was a procedure done on you without your consent.

What percentage of babies die from circumcision in the United States? Im willing to bet its an extremely small percentage that doesnt warrant banning circumcisions. One of the leading causes of death is fucking hospital mistakes, so there are a lot of minor surgeries that accidentally result in death. Doesnt mean we should completely outlaw those, though. There are health benefits associated with circumcision as well.
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 3:11:38 PM
#145:


ZiggiStardust posted...
because we don't want to repulse women with a weird dog dong when we finally have sexytimes, ok?

Get it cut as an adult if you think that's really important
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PaddysPub
12/13/17 3:11:48 PM
#146:


Doctor Foxx posted...
PaddysPub posted...
why? I dont know any men who actually give a fuck. Im circusized along with most men in the United States. Who fucking cares?

It's about bodily autonomy and not doing permanent cosmetic surgery to someone that can't consent. You're right that feminists would be mad if this were done to baby girls, they're also mad this is being done to baby boys routinely.

Why aren't men mad about that being done to them? That's what I want to know.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/circumcision-rates-declining-health-risks-rising-study-says/

because it has almost zero impact on our lives? aside from the few botched dongs and some anteater jokes? we arent sensitive as fuck about EVERYTHING?
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 3:13:10 PM
#147:


Hospital mishaps are bound to happen. Circumcision is unnecessary so the procedure shouldn't be done in the first place.
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Doctor Foxx
12/13/17 3:14:39 PM
#148:


PaddysPub posted...
because it has almost zero impact on our lives? aside from the few botched dongs and some anteater jokes? we arent sensitive as fuck about EVERYTHING?

Almost zero isn't zero. The choice to modify your body cosmetically in a way that impacts your sex life should be there for you and you alone, not for your parents.
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Anisoptera
12/13/17 3:15:38 PM
#149:


A foreskin's function is to protect the glans when the penis isn't erect. The foreskin also provides stimulation for sex for both the man and woman. Without the foreskin, the glans are exposed to abrasion (rubbing up against fabric) which dries up the glans and gives it a cracked appearance.
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ZiggiStardust
12/13/17 3:16:24 PM
#150:


Doctor Foxx posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
because we don't want to repulse women with a weird dog dong when we finally have sexytimes, ok?

Get it cut as an adult if you think that's really important

i'd rather the process be blocked from my memory... like it is now!
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Jen0125
12/13/17 3:16:38 PM
#151:


Anisoptera posted...
which dries up the glans and gives it a cracked appearance


i'm sorry what? i've never seen that on any circumcised penises i've ever encountered.
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ZiggiStardust
12/13/17 3:17:39 PM
#152:


Anisoptera posted...
...which dries up the glans and gives it a cracked appearance.

lmao what? what are you even--
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PaddysPub
12/13/17 3:18:54 PM
#153:


Doctor Foxx posted...
PaddysPub posted...
because it has almost zero impact on our lives? aside from the few botched dongs and some anteater jokes? we arent sensitive as fuck about EVERYTHING?

Almost zero isn't zero. The choice to modify your body cosmetically in a way that impacts your sex life should be there for you and you alone, not for your parents.

no its literally zero unless the doctor fucked up
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