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Parappa09
12/16/17 11:51:07 AM
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maybe im being too hard on TFA

but im not really feeling these disney-star wars films. fun to watch and entertaining, but the films arent really opening up the SW universe to anything new or bigger

also whats with all the cheap/cringey humour. i get its also targeted to kids but its bordering onto being a marvel film

was a fan of R1, i think that hit me the hardest out of the newer films so far
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Parappa09
12/16/17 2:01:00 PM
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DarthAragorn
12/16/17 2:01:46 PM
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I agree with this
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The Admiral
12/16/17 2:02:48 PM
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TFA was much better than TLJ
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Parappa09
12/16/17 4:48:57 PM
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The Admiral posted...
TFA was much better than TLJ

TFA was a total rehash. at least TLJ had some originality to it
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Offworlder1
12/16/17 4:50:40 PM
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RG1 is the only decent SW film but it is still lacking in many ways.

Lucas was not perfect but he still made bettr films theb Disney has.
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YookaLaylee
12/16/17 4:53:21 PM
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The Admiral
12/16/17 5:00:16 PM
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Parappa09 posted...
The Admiral posted...
TFA was much better than TLJ

TFA was a total rehash. at least TLJ had some originality to it


I'll take a well done rehash over a go-for-the-fences strikeout any day.
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SSJGrimReaper
12/16/17 5:01:09 PM
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TFA at least had a good lightsaber battle
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boxington
12/16/17 5:03:20 PM
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TLJ > TFA > R1, IMO.

and I liked all three, and I put the first two either equal to ESB, or right after it.
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dgb909
12/16/17 5:03:55 PM
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TFA>RO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TLJ
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YookaLaylee
12/16/17 5:04:34 PM
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boxington posted...
TLJ > TFA > R1, IMO.

and I liked all three, and I put the first two either equal to ESB, or right after it.

You're tripping, dawg
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dirtycommunist
12/16/17 5:04:37 PM
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R1>>>TFA>=TLJ
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boxington
12/16/17 5:05:21 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
boxington posted...
TLJ > TFA > R1, IMO.

and I liked all three, and I put the first two either equal to ESB, or right after it.

You're tripping, dawg

I'm always tripping, bro.
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lilORANG
12/16/17 5:05:54 PM
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KazumaKiryu
12/16/17 5:10:45 PM
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The Admiral posted...
TFA was much better than TLJ


You can't actually believe this.
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The Admiral
12/16/17 5:16:31 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
The Admiral posted...
TFA was much better than TLJ


You can't actually believe this.


I do. So was Rogue One. I'd put TLJ as the third worst film, better than only PM and AotC. And AotC was probably still more entertaining apart from the romance scenes.
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ColdOne666
12/16/17 5:17:27 PM
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TFA beats TLJ and R1.
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prince_leo
12/16/17 5:18:04 PM
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so I like star wars but I think most of the movies are crap. i'd put TLJ up there above everything but ESB
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__aCEr__
12/16/17 5:19:33 PM
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I didn't really like TLJ. I think it's a lot better than the prequels but it's easily the worst of the new bunch IMO.
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littlebro07
12/16/17 5:23:32 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
TFA at least had a good lightsaber battle


Although it wasn't technically a lightsaber vs lightsaber battle, the entire Rey and Kylo vs Snokes guards scene was fucking amazing.
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ThanksUglyGod
12/16/17 5:25:12 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
TFA at least had a good lightsaber battle


Although it wasn't technically a lightsaber vs lightsaber battle, the entire Rey and Kylo vs Snokes guards scene was fucking amazing.

This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.
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Wishy
12/16/17 5:25:58 PM
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I'm curious to see what they're going to do with the next movie considering they've used all of their rehash material. TFA was ANH and TLJ used the Hoth scene from ESB and the Emperor scene from ROTJ
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The Admiral
12/16/17 5:26:40 PM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."
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littlebro07
12/16/17 5:28:52 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."


Wasn't this argument already taken care of after TFA came out

She is obviously skilled in melee combat due to having to fend for herself with that staff thing her whole life. If the two of them were up against other Force users she'd probably have been fucked. Only reason she kicked Kylo's ass was he was severely injured and an emotional wreck.
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Hinakuluiau
12/16/17 5:31:53 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
If the two of them were up against other Force users she'd probably have been fucked. Only reason she kicked Kylo's ass was he was severely injured and an emotional wreck.

Yeah, Snoke even called Kylo out on it in TLJ.

I don't get why people hate TLJ. It was easily the better than ROTJ, the PT, R1, and TFA. People just mad cause their expectations were different and they missed the whole point of the movie. To say nothing of the fact that it was cinematically well shot.
Buncha manchildren getting upset. There's a reason the RT critic score is 93% and the audience score is 57% and to tl;dr it it's because these people's opinions on movies are shit.
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ThanksUglyGod
12/16/17 5:32:36 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.
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The Admiral
12/16/17 5:34:05 PM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.


"Potential" is not "refined ability." You may have "potential" to be the greatest basketball player ever, but you're still not beating Lebron without years or dedicated training.
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prince_leo
12/16/17 5:35:06 PM
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I mean c'mon, the force is literally a deus ex machina. if it says rey's gonna win the fight, she'll win the fight
it's lazy, but it's star wars and it's been there since 1977
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boxington
12/16/17 5:35:12 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

I liked TLJ, but I wasn't really a fan of how Rey being as strong (stronger) than Kylo because the Force wanted to create some kinda balance
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YookaLaylee
12/16/17 5:36:45 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.


"Potential" is not "refined ability." You may have "potential" to be the greatest basketball player ever, but you're still not beating Lebron without years or dedicated training.

I think that in the Star Wars universe "force potential" is similar to how half human/half saiyans in DBZ have raw strength without training. For example, Goten was able to go super saiyan without getting any fighting training. It's basically the same thing. However, I agree that it's stupid.
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youngfossil
12/16/17 5:38:45 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
littlebro07 posted...
If the two of them were up against other Force users she'd probably have been fucked. Only reason she kicked Kylo's ass was he was severely injured and an emotional wreck.

Yeah, Snoke even called Kylo out on it in TLJ.

I don't get why people hate TLJ. It was easily the better than ROTJ, the PT, R1, and TFA. People just mad cause their expectations were different and they missed the whole point of the movie. To say nothing of the fact that it was cinematically well shot.
Buncha manchildren getting upset. There's a reason the RT critic score is 93% and the audience score is 57% and to tl;dr it it's because these people's opinions on movies are shit.

This is the problem. Just because someone doesnt like the movie doesnt mean you can't belittle their opinion. This is fucking stupid. You're the one that seems like a child
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The Admiral
12/16/17 5:39:51 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.


"Potential" is not "refined ability." You may have "potential" to be the greatest basketball player ever, but you're still not beating Lebron without years or dedicated training.

I think that in the Star Wars universe "force potential" is similar to how half human/half saiyans in DBZ have raw strength without training. For example, Goten was able to go super saiyan without getting any fighting training. It's basically the same thing. However, I agree that it's stupid.


Why did Anakin ever need to train then? With his midichlorian count, he should have been able to surpass Yoda and Obi-won immediately using this argument.
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youngfossil
12/16/17 5:40:25 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.


"Potential" is not "refined ability." You may have "potential" to be the greatest basketball player ever, but you're still not beating Lebron without years or dedicated training.

I think that in the Star Wars universe "force potential" is similar to how half human/half saiyans in DBZ have raw strength without training. For example, Goten was able to go super saiyan without getting any fighting training. It's basically the same thing. However, I agree that it's stupid.

Goten had training since he was able to walk. What are you talking about?
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YookaLaylee
12/16/17 5:41:18 PM
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youngfossil posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.


"Potential" is not "refined ability." You may have "potential" to be the greatest basketball player ever, but you're still not beating Lebron without years or dedicated training.

I think that in the Star Wars universe "force potential" is similar to how half human/half saiyans in DBZ have raw strength without training. For example, Goten was able to go super saiyan without getting any fighting training. It's basically the same thing. However, I agree that it's stupid.

Goten had training since he was able to walk. What are you talking about?

It's been a few years since I last read it, but I remember Goten just chilling by himself one day and just going super saiyan as if it was nothing.
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Terra-enforcer
12/16/17 5:45:14 PM
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God no. Someone kill off Rogue One. Such a mediocre movie with a terribly forgettable cast.
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sylverlolol
12/16/17 5:47:48 PM
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TFA = RO > LJ
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ThanksUglyGod
12/16/17 5:48:24 PM
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The Admiral posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey has vast amount of potential in the Force, which already gives users more strength, and has prior combat experience.


"Potential" is not "refined ability." You may have "potential" to be the greatest basketball player ever, but you're still not beating Lebron without years or dedicated training.

I think that in the Star Wars universe "force potential" is similar to how half human/half saiyans in DBZ have raw strength without training. For example, Goten was able to go super saiyan without getting any fighting training. It's basically the same thing. However, I agree that it's stupid.


Why did Anakin ever need to train then? With his midichlorian count, he should have been able to surpass Yoda and Obi-won immediately using this argument.

Anakin, like Rey and Kylo Ren, had raw potential that could be dangerous if not properly honed by training.
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Hinakuluiau
12/16/17 5:49:28 PM
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youngfossil posted...
This is the problem. Just because someone doesnt like the movie doesnt mean you can't belittle their opinion. This is fucking stupid. You're the one that seems like a child

Okay buddy, whatever you say.
I'm just saying, The Last Jedi was better shot and better acted than three-quarters of the franchise. Fans are upset because of the way they handled Luke and Rey, with the former not being some super God they wanted and the latter being the alt-right's punching bag for "WARNING FEMINIST ALERT"

Yeah, it sucks that we didn't have a New Jedi Order. It sucks that Snoke and Rey's backstory was non-existent. It sucks that there was comedy. Yadda yadda yadda, I get it.
But literally all of these complaints have been present in Star Wars since the OT. Take off the glasses and they had cheap humor made to appeal to children, cute aliens for merchandise, the Jedi having failed over and over, a history of protagonists capable of defeating overwhelming odds, etc.

People are upset over the direction of the story, but that's a subjective opinion that there's no point in discussing. We can talk about the objective parts of the movie, and as a package deal it's better than everything but ANH and ESB.
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sylverlolol
12/16/17 5:49:43 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey was already a natural fighter with her staff. You could also clearly see that she was struggling early on with her very first opponent. There's also no reason to assume these guys are super trained super soldiers. They were built to intimidate.
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Returning_CEmen
12/16/17 6:15:47 PM
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Rogue One >>> Last 30 mins of The Last Jedi >>> The Force Awakens > The rest of The Last Jedi
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RebelElite791
12/16/17 6:17:05 PM
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sylverlolol posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey was already a natural fighter with her staff. You could also clearly see that she was struggling early on with her very first opponent. There's also no reason to assume these guys are super trained super soldiers. They were built to intimidate.

They also aren't Force-sensitive.

But Admiral is a clown who literally thinks the Empire were the good guys (entirely unironically) so his opinions on SW are almost worse than his opinions on literally everything else in life.
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hyperpsycho
12/16/17 6:21:17 PM
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Can Han Solo come back as a ghost?
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RebelElite791
12/16/17 6:22:57 PM
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Can Han Solo come back as a ghost?

Gotta be a Jedi who trained long and hard to do that.
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hyperpsycho
12/16/17 6:25:01 PM
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Can he come back as Han Solo the White
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RebelElite791
12/16/17 6:25:31 PM
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hyperpsycho posted...
Can he come back as Han Solo the White

Yes
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thrashmetal14
12/16/17 6:25:41 PM
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I agree with TC. Neither force awakens or last jedi were any good but I liked last jedi a bit more. Rogue One was decent but it was kinda underwhelming considering you knew what was gonna happen anyways. It was still superior than episodes 7 and 8.
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PiOverlord
12/16/17 6:25:46 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
sylverlolol posted...
The Admiral posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
This, I have no idea why people are saying TLJ didn't have a good lightsaber battle. That scene was one of the best fights in the entire series.


Rey had about as much lightsaber training as either of us has had and was able to take out the supreme leader's elite guards with ease. Yeah, "great fight" that definitely "makes sense."

Rey was already a natural fighter with her staff. You could also clearly see that she was struggling early on with her very first opponent. There's also no reason to assume these guys are super trained super soldiers. They were built to intimidate.

They also aren't Force-sensitive.

But Admiral is a clown who literally thinks the Empire were the good guys (entirely unironically) so his opinions on SW are almost worse than his opinions on literally everything else in life.

Nice to know that you think you have objective opinions.
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Ammonitida
12/16/17 6:26:51 PM
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Wishy posted...
I'm curious to see what they're going to do with the next movie considering they've used all of their rehash material. TFA was ANH and TLJ used the Hoth scene from ESB and the Emperor scene from ROTJ


The so-called "Hoth scene" in TLJ is dramatically different, with only the most superficial of similarities.
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