Current Events > Virginia jury convicted 19-year-old maid for stealing. Then they paid her fine.

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JE19426 posted...

So you don't actually have a source and are making it up.

That's literally from the article
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JE19426 posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

JE19426 posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Because she only did the right thing because the police became involved in the matter

Source please.

gmanthebest posted...

but later returned them after police questioned her.

So you don't actually have a source and are making it up.

If you think she would have given them back if the police didn't become involved I have some prime oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.
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CarlGrimes posted...

JE19426 posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

JE19426 posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Because she only did the right thing because the police became involved in the matter

Source please.

gmanthebest posted...

but later returned them after police questioned her.

So you don't actually have a source and are making it up.

If you think she would have given them back if the police didn't become involved I have some prime oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

pro tip: that guy is just trolling
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Shes shes 19, has 2 kids and is a disgusting theif. What a wonderful human being. I wonder what she will steal next.
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Wishy posted...

That's literally from the article

What?

CarlGrimes posted...

If you think she would have given them back if the police didn't become involved I have some prime oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

Cool, but no thanks.

andel posted...

pro tip: that guy is just trolling

Nope, just pointing out the facts.

WAAAH WE'RE SO OPPRESSED

lol

andel posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

JE19426 posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

JE19426 posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Because she only did the right thing because the police became involved in the matter

Source please.

gmanthebest posted...

but later returned them after police questioned her.

So you don't actually have a source and are making it up.

If you think she would have given them back if the police didn't become involved I have some prime oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

pro tip: that guy is just trolling

Yeah. Better off not wasting your time
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gmanthebest posted...

The general sentiment was she was a victim, too,

Well, the general sentiment was very wrong
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Deadpool_18 posted...

I have zero sympathy for gutter trash like the cleaning girl.

I, for one, am SHOCKED.
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ColdOne666 posted...

Shes shes 19, has 2 kids and is a disgusting theif. What a wonderful human being. I wonder what she will steal next.

Your nerd ass would be trying to bang her if she had a Gfaqs account.
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You know, I can understand where the victim is coming from.

Yes, the lady returned the jewelry, but it sounds like she never apologized for doing it or seemed remorseful about it. And if that's the case, then I can understand her frustration.
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gmanthebest posted...

If she had accepted accountability, I would be OK with all of this.

i doubt this but whatever.
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_OujiDoza_ posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Shes shes 19, has 2 kids and is a disgusting theif. What a wonderful human being. I wonder what she will steal next.

Your nerd ass would be trying to bang her if she had a Gfaqs account.

Nah she's probably fat or has mental disorders.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Yes, the lady returned the jewelry, but it sounds like she never apologized for doing it

The article said she did.

Wishy posted...

No, they can book her as a felon, deport her

No, the state court in this case cannot do that, nor can the judge rule that the case at hand be dismissed because he's deporting the defendant. We don't live in a fascist state, even undocumented people have rights in the courts.
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JE19426 posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

Yes, the lady returned the jewelry, but it sounds like she never apologized for doing it

The article said she did.

Ah ok I must have missed it.

Then yeah the victim in this case is being a baby about the situation.
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I liked how the woman tried to make a point out of the fact that she was illegal when she was the one who hired her

I feel like a felony conviction is punishment enough
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Axiom posted...

I liked how the woman tried to make a point out of the fact that she was illegal when she was the one who hired her

This.
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Musourenka posted...

Axiom posted...

I liked how the woman tried to make a point out of the fact that she was illegal when she was the one who hired her

This.

In all fairness, she may not have known she was illegal beforehand depending on how she was hired.

If, for example, she saw the maid's ad for her services and decided to hire her, it's not as if she would have done a background check on her.

However if she actually hired her as an actual employee, that's a different story. Does the article touch on which of the above is the case?
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Meadz posted...

I feel like a felony conviction is punishment enough

She's illegal, what's a felony gonna do.

"Oh sorry ma'am we were looking through your records and we can't find anything on you being a citizen here but you're a felon so sorry can't hire you"
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They should have thrown her in jail and took her kids away. Society has no place for thieves.
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Wishy posted...

Meadz posted...

I feel like a felony conviction is punishment enough

She's illegal, what's a felony gonna do.

"Oh sorry ma'am we were looking through your records and we can't find anything on you being a citizen here but you're a felon so sorry can't hire you"

It's going to make it more difficult for her to find work.
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but if it was a black man.....he'd be doing max time.....such bullshit
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Was she attractive?
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Romes187 posted...

I mean, I don't like that people are viewing the thief as a victim...I was poor, never stole anything. So are others...necessity doesn't negate the law if we are to have a functioning justice system.

Spoken like someone with sense. We can't have any of that. Begone sir!

Alucard188 posted...

The girl is 19, and now has a criminal record. It won't get any easier for her from here, so imposing anything beyond her means is just punitive. Hopefully she learns the right lessons from this.

She wont. Shell keep having babies.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

Romes187 posted...

I mean, I don't like that people are viewing the thief as a victim...I was poor, never stole anything. So are others...necessity doesn't negate the law if we are to have a functioning justice system.

Spoken like someone with sense. We can't have any of that. Begone sir!

Yeah. Get that sense shit out of MY CE! MCEGA
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Musourenka posted...

Wishy posted...

Meadz posted...

I feel like a felony conviction is punishment enough

She's illegal, what's a felony gonna do.

"Oh sorry ma'am we were looking through your records and we can't find anything on you being a citizen here but you're a felon so sorry can't hire you"

It's going to make it more difficult for her to find work.

Probably not.
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Musourenka posted...

Wishy posted...

Meadz posted...

I feel like a felony conviction is punishment enough

She's illegal, what's a felony gonna do.

"Oh sorry ma'am we were looking through your records and we can't find anything on you being a citizen here but you're a felon so sorry can't hire you"

It's going to make it more difficult for her to find work.

How? She doesn't legally exist. She has no public record for this to be a black mark on in the first place. The only time her prior felony is going to pop up is the next time she's arrested.
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ColdOne666 posted...

_OujiDoza_ posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Shes shes 19, has 2 kids and is a disgusting theif. What a wonderful human being. I wonder what she will steal next.

Your nerd ass would be trying to bang her if she had a Gfaqs account.

Nah she's probably fat or has mental disorders.

Not fat, but she's damn ugly.
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gmanthebest posted...

later returned them after police questioned her

i dont think this is comparable to returning them because you realize you did something wrong

if someone stole $5000 from me and got off without any appreciable penalty i'd be mad too, even if i got my shit back

i don't think this merits jail time or anything comparable though.
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I think this is a good application of the law.

Taking away a working mother of 2 from her children does nothing to restore order to society. She wasn't remorseless and has a terrible crime on her record, but there's no valid rationale to throwing the book at her.
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Kineth posted...

I think this is a good application of the law.

Taking away a working mother of 2 from her children does nothing to restore order to society. She wasn't remorseless and has a terrible crime on her record, but there's no valid rationale to throwing the book at her.

I feel there's a very valid reason to throw the book at her: she committed multiple crimes. Just give her a little fine and boot her from the country.
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Darkman124 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

later returned them after police questioned her

i dont think this is comparable to returning them because you realize you did something wrong

if someone stole $5000 from me and got off without any appreciable penalty i'd be mad too, even if i got my shit back

That's my whole thing. There's a HUGE difference between returning something because it's wrong and returning something because you think you're about to get in trouble.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

She returned the rings. I don't see what's so bad about this. That woman is being a total bitch.

Do you think she'd have returned them if she weren't caught
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Kineth posted...

Taking away a working mother of 2 from her children does nothing to restore order to society.

i generally feel negative about this as justification to alter sentencing orders. it drives a great deal of the gender disparity in our criminal justice system.

if you wouldn't do it to a mom, you shouldn't do it to anyone.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

She returned the rings. I don't see what's so bad about this. That woman is being a total bitch.

Do you think she'd have returned them if she weren't caught

Probably not.
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treewojima posted...

The girl is 19 and a convicted felon. That's punishment enough.

Indeed, should not be having kids.
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She [the victim] noted that after Mendez Ortega took the rings, she lied to the cops, she lied to her employers. She didnt turn in the rings she made somebody else do it. She confessed but claimed that the rings were in the bathroom. And then she tried to blame her boss.

And the victim claims Mendez wrote a letter of apology, recommended by the police, but she never saw it.

I mean, she has a rough life, but I'd still be pissed if I found out a thief got off like this. Though I do understand her motivations, she's doing what she can to survive.

If she didn't confess and give the items back, would she have gotten away with it if no one else talked?
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Darkman124 posted...

if you wouldn't do it to a mom, you shouldn't do it to anyone.

I agree with you on this which is another reason why I said that I think it's a good application of the law.
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Vaati_Reborn posted...

eh...she got her rings back. her being a 19yr old felon with 2 kids is a punishment in itself lol

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Kineth posted...

I agree with you on this which is another reason why I said that I think it's a good application of the law.

i feel the opposite; it's essentially ignoring the legal guidance. this allows an unjust guidance to remain in place.

what needs to happen is these cases be forced to follow the guidance and produce a necessary reaction from the public such that the guidance is changed.

otherwise, the law will continue to be applied unequally.
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Darkman124 posted...

Kineth posted...

I agree with you on this which is another reason why I said that I think it's a good application of the law.

i feel the opposite; it's essentially ignoring the legal guidance. this allows an unjust guidance to remain in place.

what needs to happen is these cases be forced to follow the guidance and produce a necessary reaction from the public such that the guidance is changed.

otherwise, the law will continue to be applied unequally.

Oh, I misspoke. I agree that it's an unequal measure of justice. I feel that this should be closer to the standard as opposed to an exception.
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the trouble is, how do you establish a standard? it's not by making a massive exception to the standard because someone has children.

it's by executing the standard as written, highlighting that it's awful, and changing it so others do not suffer.
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Darkman124 posted...

the trouble is, how do you establish a standard? it's not by making a massive exception to the standard because someone has children.

it's by executing the standard as written, highlighting that it's awful, and changing it so others do not suffer.

I still don't disagree with you at all. I think the main part that should be focused on for the standard I'm envisioning is that she looked to correct her mistake.
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We need to be honest here - if human emotion wasn't involved in most cases a bunch of people would be in jail, including 90% of the posters on this very board that are all about obeying the law.

This one case does not remove a set precedent; she wasn't the first caught stealing and she won't be the last - and the article itself is the only thing that makes this a point of reference for other cases, which still won't mean anything.
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Kineth posted...

Darkman124 posted...

the trouble is, how do you establish a standard? it's not by making a massive exception to the standard because someone has children.

it's by executing the standard as written, highlighting that it's awful, and changing it so others do not suffer.

I still don't disagree with you at all. I think the main part that should be focused on for the standard I'm envisioning is that she looked to correct her mistake.

Only after the cops talked to her. If it wasn't for that, she'd still have $5,000 worth of rings.
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gmanthebest posted...

Kineth posted...

Darkman124 posted...

the trouble is, how do you establish a standard? it's not by making a massive exception to the standard because someone has children.

it's by executing the standard as written, highlighting that it's awful, and changing it so others do not suffer.

I still don't disagree with you at all. I think the main part that should be focused on for the standard I'm envisioning is that she looked to correct her mistake.

Only after the cops talked to her. If it wasn't for that, she'd still have $5,000 worth of rings.

She could have just as easily kept them or pawned them. Yes, she needed a push to make the right decision, but the hypothetical that she might or potentially would have done something is out the door precisely because of how the events played out.
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