Current Events > Ok legit example of some real life SJW nonsense I heard last night

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pinky0926 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8AJng0os

"Iggy Azalea is a minstrel that couldn't be arsed to black up"

"If you went to an Indian restaurant and the waiter was white, and for a little bit of authenticity he said [imitates stereotypical Indian] 'would you like a poppadum' "

I don't remember whose alt Fluffygerm is, but I'm glad I have them on ignore
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KainWind posted...

You know you're from Kentucky when...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Whiskey (bourbon for me)

The last 9 years but I'm in Ohio now, just over the river. ;)
Several Kentucky boys on this site. A few people from Lexington iirc.
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pinky0926 posted...

StridentArremer posted...

Exactly what is an 'SJW' supposed to be? I've only seen it used by far-right circles like Stormfront and Breitbart when they need a blanket pejorative term to encompass everything remotely related to socially liberal politics or civil rights causes.

I don't think I have ever in my lifetime encountered a so-called SJW. The only people I've known to go on the soap box are purely of the socially conservative and fundamentalist variety.

I'd say at this point it's just a perjorative for "anyone who I deem has thrown away reason because their feelings were hurt, usually over an imagined hurt rather than a real one". Obviously that changes depending on the point of view of whoever says it.

I would generally use it to refer to someone whose societal analysis is based on identity politics rather than dialectic materialism
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Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

no, that is lunacy. copying an accent or a delivery style is never cultural appropriation.

I don't tend to call that "appropriation" because I prefer the more accurate term: being an asshole.

Sad_Face posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Sad_Face posted...

My culture is one of the most homogeneous and creatively restrictive ones around. If I felt bad enough to not listen to any song to avoid cultural appropriation, I'd have to slash out 100% of my library right now.

What's your culture?

Black culture! On a small island in the Caribbean!

I could rant about this, but I'll keep it relegated to music. In fact, I'll bring up our 2015 carnival parade, practically every troupe was playing the same blasted song (Destra's Lucy) to tramp down the road with. And half of the music played on the radio (that's not straight hip hop) sound the same. You could say this is just me not liking the genre, and it partially is, but some of this stuff hasn't evolved at all in the past 15 years. Music is an art, but in order to bring in new ideas, you need exposure to new music and the only thing our culture is exposed to (music wise) is hip hop and whatever new mainstream song (that is authorized as enjoyable for black people) is out.

So you'll (probably) never see someone like Nujabes come out from us, who can integrate Hip hop with so many other different genres, as we inherently stifle deviation from the norm when producers like him have constantly listen to new music wherever and whenever they can find it. And so music as popular as house or trance music (in the stateside) is completely foreign to down here.

It's really sad when purists do everything they can to stifle art.

This guy, Wynton Marsalis:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3526004120/a3ae72672d925df8f131bf3badbdf798_400x400.jpeg

Thinks it's still the 1950s and is doing everything he can to make Jazz a historical artifact rather than a fresh one.
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SArm_v2_0 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

no, that is lunacy. copying an accent or a delivery style is never cultural appropriation.

I don't tend to call that "appropriation" because I prefer the more accurate term: being an asshole.

yeah seriously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVz96aT9-Hs

when i look at that i don't think "oh he is using asian culture to make a joke"

i think "he must think asians are not real people"
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Asherlee10 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life

There could be a level of it that is actually offensive (maybe).

Wouldn't blackface in a non-ironic situation be pretty awful?

blackface is pretty awful in any situation
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Asherlee10 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life

There could be a level of it that is actually offensive (maybe).

Wouldn't blackface in a non-ironic situation be pretty awful?

Im half black. I dont care. People look for reasons to be offended, it makes me sick.

Unless someone is intentionally causing harm or denying rights because of prejudice, anything is fair game to me. People need to lighten up. Outrage over every little thing just causes more prejudice all around.
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pinky0926 posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

The idea that you need to be a certain race or be from a certain background to enjoy or take part in a music genre is idiotic and honestly pretty racist

Ok, here's where I start to think there's something of an argument to be had.

Certain music genres require strong cultural elements to make it work. As soon as you start having to fake an accent or pretend to be something you're not in order to make it work, it comes across as pretty disingenuous at best.

Think about me, a white scottish man, putting on a ghetto detroit accent and trying to pass myself off as someone who knows what it's like to grow up in "the hood" so that I can sell hip hop records. Imagine all my lyrics being about hoes and tricks and drugs and gangs when you know and I know that I went to a boarding school in the north of Scotland for the best part of my adolescence.

Or think about me trying to do a Gospel preacher accent and talking about Jesus and touch your neighbour and so on when I'm not religious nor did I ever spend any time in a gospel church.

Now if we're just talking about things like how beats work or styles work then sure, you can adapt a musical genre to your background and make it work. Like The Streets, or Hilltop Hoods, or Die Antwoord - all examples of how you take a genre and mould it your background and treat the entire thing with respect. But I don't know if you can straight up mimic american hip hop or gospel as someone like me without it being pretty blatantly racist.

I enjoy these genres immensely and I don't feel guilty for doing so, but I'm not about to start pretending that the themes they're talking about and the culture that gave birth to them has anything to do with me.

Maybe I'm about to blow your mind but not every rapper who raps about guns or drug dealing or being in a gang actually did any of that stuff. In fact, most of them didn't. So should they not be allowed to take part in hip hop either? Or is it ok for them to completely fabricate they're life and experiences because they're black? Because, let's be real here. People only tall about an artist or whatever "not properly respecting the culture" when they're white. And it's pretty much always about hip hip. And to be honest I think a lot of that mentality comes from stubborn old people who don't want the genre to change and evolve or racists who don't want other races (namely whites) to get involved in it. I doubt even Iggy Azalea (who a lot of your argument seems to revolve around for some reason) would have gotten half as much flak even if everything else about her was the same (fake accent and all) had she been black.
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averagejoel posted...

blackface is pretty awful in any situation

I wouldn't say it's awful when it's making fun of blackface itself, like in Tropic Thunder. That just serves as a humorous criticism of racism and brings light to the issue.

Or in the example Darkman posted above with Michael Scott being a chinaman. I mean the character is being blatantly racist - so the joke is that Michael Scott is being a bigoted dick, not that chinese people are silly.
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Lmaooo what a moron.

I can assure you most hip-hop artists aren't telling white people to not buy tickets to their shows or to not buy their albums when they come out.

both Malibu and Yes Lawd! are two of the most inventive and culturally appreciable albums to come out last year

to equate merely hearing them to appropriation seems more like a way to voice your distaste of them to your benefit, rather than acknowledging it for what it is or to avoid seeming culturally suppressive, since it is by hearing them that they can show their ability to diffuse their culture
just a weird argument for sure
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Asherlee10 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life

There could be a level of it that is actually offensive (maybe).

Wouldn't blackface in a non-ironic situation be pretty awful?

Im half black. I dont care. People look for reasons to be offended, it makes me sick.

Unless someone is intentionally causing harm or denying rights because of prejudice, anything is fair game to me. People need to lighten up. Outrage over every little thing just causes more prejudice all around.

I don't disagree with you, but on the other side of the coin, I think it's not really an issue to be upset about some things.

A bunch of full blown racists in black face to promote hate? Sure, that's offensive.

Comedians or actors in black face (or the Wayans in white face for that matter) is perfectly fine. Its all about intent.
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pinky0926 posted...

I wouldn't say it's awful when it's making fun of blackface itself, like in Tropic Thunder. That just serves as a humorous criticism of racism and brings light to the issue.

Spike Lee's Bamboozled also reveals the duhmanizaion of it well through showing it
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pinky0926 posted...

averagejoel posted...

blackface is pretty awful in any situation

I wouldn't say it's awful when it's making fun of blackface itself, like in Tropic Thunder. That just serves as a humorous criticism of racism and brings light to the issue.

Or in the example Darkman posted above with Michael Scott being a chinaman. I mean the character is being blatantly racist - so the joke is that Michael Scott is being a bigoted dick, not that chinese people are silly.

it is actually worth considering whether we can even make jokes about the absurdity of such ideas with the characters basically only facing the consequence of others' disdain.

the nature of rape jokes is the same: rape is presented as an absurd and wrong thing, with the disdain being placed on the character within the joke endorsing it (or the teller, depending on case)
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Zodd3224 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life

There could be a level of it that is actually offensive (maybe).

Wouldn't blackface in a non-ironic situation be pretty awful?

Im half black. I dont care. People look for reasons to be offended, it makes me sick.

Unless someone is intentionally causing harm or denying rights because of prejudice, anything is fair game to me. People need to lighten up. Outrage over every little thing just causes more prejudice all around.

I never knew about the blackface until I came to the states for college and there were posters of the "This is not me and it's not okay" type showcasing it. My first thought was "this guy put so much effort and into his ghetto black dude costume, how can I possibly be offended by such an endeavor?". But then I learned how the black face traditionally was used to mock black folks in the early 1900s on TV.

I know we give actions power, but I'd like to respect history and tread lightly around this as I would with the N word. I'd imagine the motivations as to why someone would make a black face is completely different from back in those days though.
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prettyprincess posted...

both Malibu and Yes Lawd! are two of the most inventive and culturally appreciable albums to come out last year

I haven't heard "Years Lawd", but Malibu was a work of art.
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Sad_Face posted...

I never knew about the blackface until I came to the states for college and there were posters of the "This is not me and it's not okay" type showcasing it. My first thought was "this guy put so much effort and into his ghetto black dude costume, how can I possibly be offended by such an endeavor?". But then I learned how the black face traditionally was used to mock black folks in the early 1900s on TV.

I know we give actions power, but I'd like to respect history and tread lightly around this as I would with the N word. I'd imagine the motivations as to why someone would make a black face is completely different from back in those days though.

Sounds like you got a good perspective.
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That's stupid. I'm a white British guy with a Mexican woman. I listen to Mexican and Spanish music through her. By her standard that would be cultural appropriation, by mine it's showing an interest in her culture.

Even if I wasn't with her, if I chose to listen to it anyway, I'm allowed to enjoy stuff that isn't from my country or culture. It isn't wrong.

Some people need to get a grip. As long as someone isn't demeaning another culture then it doesn't matter.
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Bishop9800 posted...

I haven't heard "Years Lawd", but Malibu was a work of art.

I like to call it the Madvillainy of misogyny
entirely produced by Knxwledge and amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTNbNtft9g
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It's amazing that Old Fashioneds are making a comeback. I used to be the only person to order those and a lot of bartenders didn't even know what I was talking about. Now I see it in commercials and shit. Crazy.
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Are black people allowed to listen to Nirvana or is that a white dude only band?
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Fizaga posted...

That's stupid. I'm a white British guy with a Mexican woman. I listen to Mexican and Spanish music through her. By her standard that would be cultural appropriation, by mine it's showing an interest in her culture.

I feel like you wouldn't be viewed in such a light by her
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white people should just hide in closets for the rest of their lives to avoid hearing or seeing anything made by a minority so they can't culturally appropriate anymore
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Steve Nick posted...

Are black people allowed to listen to Nirvana or is that a white dude only band?

I hope we're allowed. I don't like Nirvana, but I culturally appropriate the shit out of Radiohead and Tears for Fears on my guitar.

black people are allowed to do whatever they want because they are the oppressed class
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SArm_v2_0 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Are black people allowed to listen to Nirvana or is that a white dude only band?

I hope we're allowed. I don't like Nirvana, but I culturally appropriate the shit out of Radiohead and Tears for Fears on my guitar.

I'm pretty sure Radiohead is ours. Sorry dude.
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Steve Nick posted...

SArm_v2_0 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Are black people allowed to listen to Nirvana or is that a white dude only band?

I hope we're allowed. I don't like Nirvana, but I culturally appropriate the shit out of Radiohead and Tears for Fears on my guitar.

I'm pretty sure Radiohead is ours. Sorry dude.

Then I will play quietly, in my home, in shame. Because I love learning "Weird Fishes." Shit is awesome.

We've talked it over and we're willing to trade Radiohead in exchange for 2pac.

Limited time only you can have Blake Shelton for free.
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Steve Nick posted...

We've talked it over and we're willing to trade Radiohead in exchange for 2pac.

Limited time only you can have Blake Shelton for free.

Black delegation accepts, on the condition that you also take Drake as a part of the deal.

Steve Nick posted...

We've talked it over and we're willing to trade Radiohead in exchange for 2pac.

Limited time only you can have Blake Shelton for free.

This is like Dave Chappelle's Racial Draft with music.
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SArm_v2_0 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

We've talked it over and we're willing to trade Radiohead in exchange for 2pac.

Limited time only you can have Blake Shelton for free.

Black delegation accepts, on the condition that you also take Drake as a part of the deal.

Now wait, god dammit SArm, that's not part of the bargain!
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SArm_v2_0 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

We've talked it over and we're willing to trade Radiohead in exchange for 2pac.

Limited time only you can have Blake Shelton for free.

Black delegation accepts, on the condition that you also take Drake as a part of the deal.

Good dealing. I think the Black delegation should make a play at PSY too.
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So if Caribbean migrants of African descent go to a classical music concert, she would also say thats cultural appropriation right?
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thanosibe posted...

SArm_v2_0 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

We've talked it over and we're willing to trade Radiohead in exchange for 2pac.

Limited time only you can have Blake Shelton for free.

Black delegation accepts, on the condition that you also take Drake as a part of the deal.

Now wait a god dammit SArm, that's not part of the bargain!

Hahaha 10/10

Wow pinky I'm really disappointed. I didn't expect you to be the kind of white supremacist who would hear racified music without leaving. I guess I'll add you to the list
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Asherlee10 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life

There could be a level of it that is actually offensive (maybe).

Wouldn't blackface in a non-ironic situation be pretty awful?

Bringing up blackface, as if white people listening to rap is a less extreme version of blackface... is so obviously a false comparison. This is a distraction also meant to gaslight people into thinking they're on some level just as bad as racists in blackface. They're just closeted racists who aren't even aware that deep down they're racist, because they're WHITE and listen to RAP. That's the implication.

Note that after that was brought up, there was some discussion about blackface itself. Not one person illustrated any real connection between blackface and white people listening to rap. Know why? They are separate things.
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