Current Events > Greek Achilles to be played by a black person in new BBC/Netflix series.

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http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bbc-netflix-troy-fall-of-a-city-1202646162/

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

I mean, Brad Pitt didn't really look Greek either but this is far worse
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Who cares
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RoseIsHorriblle posted...

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bbc-netflix-troy-fall-of-a-city-1202646162/

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

Didn't you get the memo? The official stance on this kind of thing is "fuck your white culture, if you have an issue with this you're a bigot".
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tote_all posted...

Can't wait until Netflix releases their World War II series in which Hitler is played by a black transexual woman.

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Infinite 2003 posted...

I mean, Brad Pitt didn't really look Greek either but this is far worse

What do you exactly mean by this?

iamintents posted...

Who cares

I do. I feel that me and my culture are being violated.

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

iamintents posted...

Who cares

I do. I feel that me and my culture are being violated.

Damn imagine the feelings from that Gods of Egypt movie
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Black people: Greeks were black! Just look at any Greek vase with art on it! The people were depicted as black on these vases!
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

iamintents posted...

Who cares

I do. I feel that me and my culture are being violated.

Damn imagine the feelings from that Gods of Egypt movie

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BlackHorse6969 posted...

it should physically hurt someone to even think of something as stupid as this post right here but you'd be surprised

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RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

Did you care this much when non-Greek White actors played Greek figures?
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Helen of Troy is played by a German actress, and Paris is played by an Australian actor, so it's not like they're worried about accuracy when it comes to the demographic of its characters
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lol, this show will probably not be all that good, but it'll piss of white people so I'll watch a few episodes of it just for a laugh.
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I don't understand why the casting director would do this.
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s0nicfan posted...

MacadamianNut3 posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

iamintents posted...

Who cares

I do. I feel that me and my culture are being violated.

Damn imagine the feelings from that Gods of Egypt movie

Yeah it tanked, huge surprise

I'm not seeing how an obvious shit movie from the get go ending up being shit is a counterpoint to this "hurr durr war on white culture" circlejerk but im all ears when you're ready
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Greeks are white so...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Did you care this much when non-Greek White actors played Greek figures?

If we're going to, as a society, stop lumping "white people" into one huge group then I think a lot of people would be happy with that if that's the direction your implying. But then you're going to have to accept that diversity can, in fact, be a room full of white males. You can't have it both ways.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

Did you care this much when non-Greek White actors played Greek figures?

Nope. They were white and looked like Greeks.

Can you at least put a fucking worm on the hook next time? Thanks.
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Well it is BBC after all.
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RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

Did you care this much when non-Greek White actors played Greek figures?

Nope. They were white and looked like Greeks.

you're talking about "Greek culture" on one hand, and justifying not using Greek actors on the other...except when they're black.

dat cognitive dissonance...
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boxington posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

Did you care this much when non-Greek White actors played Greek figures?

Nope. They were white and looked like Greeks.

you're talking about "Greek culture" on one hand, and justifying not using Greek actors on the other...except when they're black.

dat cognitive dissonance...

If we're going to, as a society, stop lumping "white people" into one huge group then I think a lot of people would be happy with that if that's the direction your implying. But then you're going to have to accept that diversity can, in fact, be a room full of white males. You can't have it both ways.
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Imagine all the rage if a white actor is casted as a black character. And think of all the times black people make fun of white people for being white
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Why are you repeating yourself as if you're saying something profound
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RoseIsHorriblle posted...

beyong disgusting.

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Why are you repeating yourself as if you're saying something profound

In the hope that someone can address the clear contradiction being applied to white people rather than ignore it because it so blatantly exposes the hypocrisy of it all.

EDIT: To be more specific, if "white people" are one big lumped together group, then "white people" can play any other white person. If suddenly we're using "well he's not GREEK white, but GERMAN white" as an excuse to justify casting a black actor as a white historical figure, then you have to accept that white people aren't one large group but a diverse set of cultures, and therefore diversity has to be viewed from the lense of cultural heritage and not skin color.
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lol.. as if there were no Egyptians in Greece.
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Jesus Christ Superstar would never have worked if it were written today. "A BLACK Judas? They're pandering!" And on the other side, "How come the dude that betrays Jesus gotta be black??" I'm glad that came about at a time when people's terrible opinions were mostly kept within their homes, because that musical is awesome. :)

Fuck the internet, man. Just wait till the shit comes out and enjoy it or ignore it.

s0nicfan posted...

In the hope that someone can address the clear contradiction being applied to white people rather than ignore it because it so blatantly exposes the hypocrisy of it all.

Oh cool, like you were also doing with my post about the ratings of a shit movie being irrelevant to the argument at hand, rather it's existence in the first place being the little problem with the narrative you and TC are trying to push

Alright. Good luck with the asking tough questions schtick when you can't do it yourself lmao
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iirc the Beeb doesn't really care for historical accuracy and makes no claim to do so when playing their fictional shows
they defend these kinds of choices because they have non-fiction shows as well where they do try to be as correct as possible

basically on the side of "you accept a story about a man who is invulnerable except on his heel, but his skin color is where you draw the line?"
I also see that this is being filmed in South Africa, but eh
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s0nicfan posted...

boxington posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Like wtf. My ancestors are rolling on their graves right now. Literally 0% black people in Greece back then. Hollywood is mocking the Greek Culture right now. This is beyong disgusting.

Did you care this much when non-Greek White actors played Greek figures?

Nope. They were white and looked like Greeks.

you're talking about "Greek culture" on one hand, and justifying not using Greek actors on the other...except when they're black.

dat cognitive dissonance...

If we're going to, as a society, stop lumping "white people" into one huge group then I think a lot of people would be happy with that if that's the direction your implying. But then you're going to have to accept that diversity can, in fact, be a room full of white males. You can't have it both ways.

the TC was making an argument about how the casing was "mocking" Greek culture, though.

they can take issue with the race of the actors, if they want, but a black actor and a white actor (who aren't Greek) don't add anymore to the culture than the other
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

In the hope that someone can address the clear contradiction being applied to white people rather than ignore it because it so blatantly exposes the hypocrisy of it all.

Oh cool, like you were also doing with my post about the ratings of a shit movie being irrelevant to the argument at hand, rather it's existence in the first place being the little problem with the narrative you and TC are trying to push

Alright. Good luck with the asking tough questions schtick when you can't do it yourself lmao

I'm sorry? You were trying to claim that nobody took issue with Gods of Egypt for the reasons being brought up here. The movie tanking is at least partial evidence that audiences did, in fact, take issue with it. It's not 100% conclusive, but it IS evidence that people were less happy with the choices made than you were implying.

But hey, it's WAY easier to deflect from the point I made and run away than it is to address it, so bonus points for a good try.
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RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Literally 0% black people in Greece back then.

This is a joke topic, right?

I think the issue with Gods of Egypt, besides being bad, was that the majority of the actors were white

it's not the same as this adaptation, from what we've seen, because so far, it's only one black guy
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RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Literally 0% black people in Greece back then.

No. There were actually black populations sparsely scattered throughout parts of the Mediterranean and the Middle East. This is actually pretty common knowledge.

Although it's probably doubtful that Achilles was historically black. But who cares? The history of Achilles is so heavily romanticized that the character as we understand him may be purely fictional.

boxington posted...

it's not the same as this adaptation, from what we've seen, because so far, it's only one black guy

Zeus is also black
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prince_leo posted...

boxington posted...

it's not the same as this adaptation, from what we've seen, because so far, it's only one black guy

Zeus is also black

tbh, I only looked at the pictures from the article in the OP, and didn't know that the gods were gonna be in it
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Kasperia posted...

Infinite 2003 posted...

I mean, Brad Pitt didn't really look Greek either but this is far worse

What do you exactly mean by this?

That Brad Pitt didn't look greek in the movie Troy but making Achilles black is just kinda taking it a whole 'nother level. A black Achilles is just ludicrous.
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boxington posted...

the TC was making an argument about how the casing was "mocking" Greek culture, though.

they can take issue with the race of the actors, if they want, but a black actor and a white actor (who aren't Greek) don't add anymore to the culture than the other

That's a fair point. My point was more that a white person not being of greek culture seems only to matter when using it to justify why they are just as qualified as a different race, but if I said my company was diverse because it had greek, german, english, etc people... I would be accused of being full of shit for calling an all white group diverse. It's the double standard that gets to people, and less so that a fictional character is being changed to a different race. We all know that happens all the time. It's being told "this change is good/fine, but if you change a black historical character to a white one that's bad" where people tend to get upset.
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boxington posted...

tbh, I only looked at the pictures from the article in the OP, and didn't know that the gods were gonna be in it

I mean honestly Zeus being black means nothing. he can turn into an animal he can definitely change skin tone, y'know?
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Maybe when Achilles was dipped into the Styx his skin changed color.

<_<
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Infinite 2003 posted...

That Brad Pitt didn't look greek in the movie Troy but making Achilles black is just kinda taking it a whole 'nother level. A black Achilles is just ludicrous.

prince_leo posted...

"you accept a story about a man who is invulnerable except on his heel, but his skin color is where you draw the line?"

let's all pretend to be really mad about this

s0nicfan posted...

I'm sorry? You were trying to claim that nobody took issue with Gods of Egypt for the reasons being brought up here.

This is the takeaway if your have the reading comprehension of a 3 year old. So I don't see the confusion myself but will simplify it for you just in case

TC is whining about his culture being violated and you made the super asinine post about the destruction of white culture (which is even funnier considering how you're now trying to paint yourself as a remotely rational person) because everybody is trying to be PC now or whatever it is you geniuses think.

I bring up Gods of Egypt as another example of this "destruction of culture" which unfortunately goes against that narrative, but essentially shows that all Hollywood cares about is money. Whitewashing in movies has been a thing for at least a couple if decades, always justified with "they're targeting a certain audience to make money", but now you get a few movies/shows of the opposite happening and suddenly it's an imminent destruction of white culture

But yeah I see how it's deflecting when you need a post to spell out obvious shit my b
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his Achilles heel was being non-greek
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SArm_v2_0 posted...

Infinite 2003 posted...

That Brad Pitt didn't look greek in the movie Troy but making Achilles black is just kinda taking it a whole 'nother level. A black Achilles is just ludicrous.

prince_leo posted...

"you accept a story about a man who is invulnerable except on his heel, but his skin color is where you draw the line?"

Remember when you said you were gonna stay out of discussions like this? Pepperidge Farm remembers
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