Current Events > It is unethical to NOT abort a fetus with genetic defects?

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nt.

What a saint you are.
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SageHarpuia posted...

What a saint you are.

Like it or not, abortion is the answer to many social issues.

CiIantro is like an even shittier mrduckbear.
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You need to explain how genetic defect = suffering. There are too many details missing from the premise for us to accept that conclusion without further examanation.
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Despite knowing that making any comment is akin to stepping into a proverbial minefield; I believe it depends on the severity of the condition and the ability of the parents to be able to help the (potential) child navigate life with the additional problems.
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Genetic defect can be a very broad term, depending on who gets to define it. That could have really scary ramifications if you're not part of the In Crowd.
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hollow_shrine posted...

You need to explain how genetic defect = suffering. There are too many details missing from the premise for us to accept that conclusion without further examanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

CiIantro posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

You need to explain how genetic defect = suffering. There are too many details missing from the premise for us to accept that conclusion without further examanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

That's a list of genetic disorders demonstrating that "genetic disorder" could refer to a vast variety of conditions of varying degrees of inconvenience. It actually supports my criticism of your blanket association with genetic disorders with suffering.
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CiIantro posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

What a saint you are.

Like it or not, abortion is the answer to many social issues.

So is The Purge, but I don't go around advocating for a day where all crime becomes legal.
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People with genetic defects can live happy lives, depending on what kind of genetic defect it is, and the mother has the knowledge and willpower to raise that kind of child. Whether it's unethical or not is irrelevant to me. All that matters is if the woman has the choice to have the kid or not.
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SageHarpuia posted...

CiIantro posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

What a saint you are.

Like it or not, abortion is the answer to many social issues.

So is The Purge, but I don't go around advocating for a day where all crime becomes legal.

The Purge has no logical place in a modern society. So try again
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CiIantro posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

You need to explain how genetic defect = suffering. There are too many details missing from the premise for us to accept that conclusion without further examanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

so that list includes color blindness. no, I don't think a fetus should be aborted if they can tell whether or not it has colorblindness.

others with significant cognitive genetic defects , i would probably recommend aborting in that situation.
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Letron_James posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

CiIantro posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

What a saint you are.

Like it or not, abortion is the answer to many social issues.

So is The Purge, but I don't go around advocating for a day where all crime becomes legal.

The Purge has no logical place in a modern society. So try again

Sure it does, the thing is there are more ethical ways of solving these problems, just like abortion.
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SageHarpuia posted...

Letron_James posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

CiIantro posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

What a saint you are.

Like it or not, abortion is the answer to many social issues.

So is The Purge, but I don't go around advocating for a day where all crime becomes legal.

The Purge has no logical place in a modern society. So try again

Sure it does, the thing is there are more ethical ways of solving these problems, just like abortion.

There is literally not a single thing about abortion that is unethical.

CiIantro posted...

There is literally not a single thing about abortion that is unethical.

Willfully having a child you can't take care of is unethical.
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depends on what the defect is. on the one hand I can see people doing it for horrible things that will lead to a short or suffering life. but I also think that people would abuse this power and abort all babies that are less than perfect

Is it unethical to not go around killing depressed people?
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Id rather be dead than live a crap life, bro.
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Rad_Chad posted...

Id rather be dead than live a crap life, bro.

what everyone considers a crap life can vary depending on who you ask though.

I have had people tell me they would wish t hey were dead if they were in my shoes

eUGENICS is wrong, TC
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I dunno. I feel like we should poll people with genetic defects and ask them if they'd rather be dead.

Wonder what Peter Dinklage feels about the issue. Or maybe go back in time and ask Andre the Giant. Or maybe that guy with the harlequin-fetus disease who became a marathon runner.

Wonder what their choice would have been. >_>
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lots of people with disabilities out there would answer "i would rather be alive than dead" if you asked them
everyone in support of abortion itt is literally evil
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CiIantro posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

You need to explain how genetic defect = suffering. There are too many details missing from the premise for us to accept that conclusion without further examanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

What a fucking idiot.

You are asked to support your position and you post a list of every single genetic disorder and expect us to read it instead of making a reasoned argument. You completely dodged the question.
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Rika_Furude posted...

everyone against abortion itt is literally evil

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yes jborgan, you are acting evil, in case you wanted to know
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Rika_Furude posted...

yes jborgan, i am acting evil, in case you wanted to know

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That's incredibly tough, because there are so many ways this issue can lead down a slippery slope. If we're going to condone what is essentially eugenics, then where does it end? Will scientists find a way to identify a 'gay gene' so parents can choose not to have gay children?

Ideally, choosing abortion would be reserved for the most extreme circumstances, like the fetus having anencephaly. (i.e. not developing a full brain, and having no sentience or ability to process thought or sensation) But there may be moral issues with considering abortion in cases of Down syndrome or similar disabilities that may not entirely preclude a person from enjoying an otherwise fair quality of life.

Regardless, it's not something I or the state should have any say in. How parents choose to conceive is their business and their business alone.

It's perplexing how somethings, like eugenics, come full circle.
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How about a compromise? Abortion becomes illegal, and doctor assisted suicide becomes an option?
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SageHarpuia posted...

How about a compromise? Abortion becomes illegal, and doctor assisted suicide becomes an option?

Not a good compromise. Both should always be legal.
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jborgan posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

How about a compromise? Abortion becomes illegal, and doctor assisted suicide becomes an option?

Not a good compromise. Both should always be legal.

Wrong. One is totally involuntary, one at least gives the person it will affect the most a say in the matter.
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So this would be a very broad statement to make as a genetic defect doesn't inherently mean a "Life of suffering," as you put it
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StridentArremer posted...

That's incredibly tough, because there are so many ways this issue can lead down a slippery slope. If we're going to condone what is essentially eugenics, then where does it end? Will scientists find a way to identify a 'gay gene' so parents can choose not to have gay children?

Ideally, choosing abortion would be reserved for the most extreme circumstances, like the fetus having anencephaly. (i.e. not developing a full brain, and having no sentience or ability to process thought or sensation) But there may be moral issues with considering abortion in cases of Down syndrome or similar disabilities that may not entirely preclude a person from enjoying an otherwise fair quality of life.

Regardless, it's not something I or the state should have any say in. How parents choose to conceive is their business and their business alone.

Btw great post
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SageHarpuia posted...

jborgan posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

How about a compromise? Abortion becomes illegal, and doctor assisted suicide becomes an option?

Not a good compromise. Both should always be legal.

Wrong. One is totally involuntary, one at least gives the person it will affect the most a say in the matter.

Nah. Both should always be legal.
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Isn't this an extreme version of pro-choice? Is it really more immoral to abort a baby because you'd rather it have blond hair than brown? What about designer babies where they're genetically altered?
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It depends on the definition of genetic defects used. Serious birth defects where the potential life is missing vital organs? Yes, generally unethical-- for both the unborn life and mother.

Genetic defects that result in unique individuals capable of some quality of life? As already stated, that kind of slippery slope is just asking for trouble.

If you don't want a baby, abort the fetus, but it is a minefield if we start doing specifically to try and kill defects out of the gene pool.
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SageHarpuia posted...

jborgan posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

How about a compromise? Abortion becomes illegal, and doctor assisted suicide becomes an option?

Not a good compromise. Both should always be legal.

Wrong. One is totally involuntary, one at least gives the person it will affect the most a say in the matter.

Abortion is voluntary and the mother gets the most says.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

gives the person it will affect the most a say in the matter.

The mother does get the most say.

Abort the mother. Two for one deal; problem(s) solved. I mean we are talking about eugenics after all, so it's all fair game for discussion.
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