Current Events > rock music is now in the same place as starcraft

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I don't understand how people can say "Recent music is shit, it was good about X years ago" and expect to be taken seriously.

You're a walking cliche of an old person, just stfu with your worthless opinions.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

So far however I've heard no universal acceptance of rap as a genre as music. That

The same goes for every genre. There are always dipshits that don't like a genre and claim it's "not music".
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I love it when pseudo-intellectuals try to discuss music
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fenderbender321 posted...

Link HT posted...

I don't understand how people can say "Recent music is shit, it was good about X years ago" and expect to be taken seriously.

You're a walking cliche of an old person, just stfu with your worthless opinions.

Isn't it odd, though, how there seems to be a disproprational amount of YOUNG people who think older music is better these days, compared to previous generations?

This happens literally every generation. You're hearing it more because unlike previous generations this one has the means to put literally any thought out there for everyone to see.

TLDR edgy people always edgy
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DezCaughtIt posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Link HT posted...

I don't understand how people can say "Recent music is shit, it was good about X years ago" and expect to be taken seriously.

You're a walking cliche of an old person, just stfu with your worthless opinions.

Isn't it odd, though, how there seems to be a disproprational amount of YOUNG people who think older music is better these days, compared to previous generations?

This happens literally every generation. You're hearing it more because unlike previous generations this one has the means to put literally any thought out there for everyone to see.

TLDR edgy people always edgy

this, basically

There aren't more people who think that, you just hear it a lot of on the internet. Depending on your age, what places you visit on the internet are usually comprised of people in the same age group so you get huge echo chambers.
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I find this topic shallow and pedantic

fenderbender321 posted...

Seriously, guys...go out and ask people who grew up in the 1970s how often they played records from the 1920s and 1930s, or how many people they knew that preferred music from that era because it sounded better. You won't find many, if any at all.

That's a bad comparison
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Music movements were prevalent in the middle of the 20th century. Obviously people who grew up in the 70s aren't going to play records from before those movements
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pinky0926 posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Resolution posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Music has been mostly shit for a long time. Mid to late 90's most of it went to hell and there's been no recovery.

Your favorite band is AC/DC, isn't it

I don't see how anyone can choose a favorite band, but yes I like them a lot.

lmao of course

It's always the classic rock fans who say this silly shit

Implying I only listen to classic rock. Lol

fenderbender321 posted...

Seriously, guys...go out and ask people who grew up in the 1970s how often they played records from the 1920s and 1930s, or how many people they knew that preferred music from that era because it sounded better. You won't find many, if any at all.

That's a 50 year difference. Let's ask people who are growing up now (aka teens) how many of them are into 70's music.

Oh and there's another reason your comparison doesn't work: People growing up in the 70's didn't have easy access to all existing music in the world like we do today. Even if they wanted to be into more obscure stuff, they literally couldn't.
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The better question is why is music the media people get the most hostile over?

Outside of GameFAQS, most video game discussions are civil and movie discussions are usually pleasant outside of a few fanatics. But music seems to divide people just as much as it brings them together.

TheGrindery posted...

The better question is why is music the media people get the most hostile over?

Outside of GameFAQS, most video game discussions are civil and movie discussions are usually pleasant outside of a few fanatics. But music seems to divide people just as much as it brings them together.

When you make loaded statements like "music has been shit for two decades" of course people are going to get hostile.
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I used modern music in an effort to increase my tolerance for annoyance since my girlfriend was pregnant and I wanted to be able to deal with the crying. It worked. I also learned how to zone out and push the "music" out of my mind.

Tough for a while but worth it.

And it's not a rare opinion either, which makes it that much more annoying. Yes, pop music on the whole is trash, but there's plenty of good rock music still being made.
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I read that as you get older, your brain doesn't produce nearly as much of the chemical that causes those chills you get over stuff you find awesome so that would explain each generation getting "set in their ways" as they say.

Mainstream and underground are words that often reveal someone who picks their music based on how popular it is. They love to listen to nearly anything so long as they don't know anyone else who has heard of it.

But we've all met people who have decided to stop listening to a band they liked because it got too popular.

fenderbender321 posted...

Music has definitely stagnated, though.

Western culture has evolved to where most kids don't get much musical training or development. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a much bigger and better pool of talent, because learning to play instruments, singing, dancing, and other music-related activities were much more heavily emphasized as part of a child's upbringing and education during the 40s and 50s (and earlier, of course).

As such, music has become dumbed down.

This is selective confirmation bias at its finest. Patently untrue and not routed in any actual reasoning other than "what I've experienced is music today seems less complex...to me".
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TheGrindery posted...

Isn't it odd, though, how there seems to be a disproprational amount of YOUNG people who think older music is better these days, compared to previous generations?

This has nothing to do with the quality of music being released and everything to do with intense romanticizing of the counter culture revolution of the 60s.
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pinky0926 posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Isn't it odd, though, how there seems to be a disproprational amount of YOUNG people who think older music is better these days, compared to previous generations?

This has nothing to do with the quality of music being released and everything to do with intense romanticizing of the counter culture revolution of the 60s.

Except they aren't just listening to 60's and 70's.

Good music is alive and well. There is a ton of it if you look in the right places. Most people just listen to really bad music.
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kirbymuncher posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Starcraft rocks, it's still the biggest RTS by far I think. It's just that MOBAs and Counterstrike hog up eSports.

"biggest RTS" is like, the consloation prize of video games

Not my fault babbies only play MOBAs and counterstrike
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fenderbender321 posted...

Seriously, guys...go out and ask people who grew up in the 1970s how often they played records from the 1920s and 1930s, or how many people they knew that preferred music from that era because it sounded better. You won't find many, if any at all.

Have you considered that maybe there are other reasons to this that have nothing to do with the quality of the music being produced? For example, nowadays everyone carries around a portable device that can fit an entire library of music on your person, whereas in the 70s you either went to a gig or didn't listen to music at all?

I mean you're trying to say that music is not as much of a child's upbringing as it used to be when kids today spend hours listening to music every day just as they walk around - something that no previous generation was able to do to this level.
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TheGrindery posted...

Except they aren't just listening to 60's and 70's.

It's exceptionally easy to cherry pick some shining examples of entire DECADES worth of music across any genre and put that up as the symbol of how good that era was for music. Much harder to find those examples when you're just looking at the last year's worth of music and refining it down to mainstream rap.

Tell me, how do you feel about Donny Osmond? Gloria Gaynor? Shalamar? Wings? People always talk about how great music was in the 70s but I could write you a list of artists and music so bad from that era that even Justin Bieber would be preferable.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Um no, it's based on a lot of factual shit. I personally know people with degrees in music, music teachers, and other people who are heavily involved with music theory who play in orchestras and stuff like that who are constantly saying this....that kids today are not interested in learning music much anymore.

To say that doesn't have an affect on the type of music that manifests and becomes popular is laughable.

What they're actually saying is that kids are not as interested in going to traditional music conservatories and learning classical theory (which is funny because those music conservatories are still booming as ever, but I digress).

The basis for your argument is essentially that how music is being made has changed, but you've then drawn the conclusion that therefore it must be worse. How is it worse? We have tools and instruments now that were never possible before. That allows for new sounds, new textures, new recording techniques. None of this is bad. If older techniques of music making are dying it has nothing to do with people being less interested in music than they used to be.

If Jimi Hendrix was alive today he'd fucking cream himself at the amount of sounds he'd be able to make possible using technology.

Listen to Jim Morrison talk about it personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJ3jhg-pdg
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pinky0926 posted...

What they're actually saying is that kids are not as interested in going to traditional music conservatories and learning classical theory (which is funny because those music conservatories are still booming as ever, but I digress).

I think that's an interesting trend actually...I remember a lot of these hipster-types popping up online from 2006-2014 would live and breathe music and yet couldn't tell you the first thing about composition and a vast majority didn't have even modest skill on an instrument. It was weird realizing that being really into music and being really into playing music can be completely separate hobbies.

fenderbender321 posted...

tons more greats to name...

Kiss

lmfao
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fenderbender321 posted...

Wings had some good shit. Fuck off with that.

And what do you think this discussion has been about? It's been about popular music. And theres tons more greats to name...

Kiss
Paul Simon
Neil Young
The Guess Who
Steppenwolf
Grand Funk Railroad
Queen
Rush
The Rolling Stones
The Who
The B-52s

And that's just off the top of my head.

You're missing the point. I'm not at all saying that the 70s was bad for music. I'm saying that people love to cherry pick the best of the bunch from that era and use that as if to say "see, music then was better than it is now". They forget about all of the awful music that was by and large most of the music back then. The stuff that is shit always gets forgotten about.

It's a stupid way of thinking. Donny Osmond was not better than Alabama Shakes. Shalamar was not better than Anderson Paak. And for that matter, Steppenwolf is not better than Radiohead.
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KhlavicLanguage posted...

pinky0926 posted...

What they're actually saying is that kids are not as interested in going to traditional music conservatories and learning classical theory (which is funny because those music conservatories are still booming as ever, but I digress).

I think that's an interesting trend actually...I remember a lot of these hipster-types popping up online from 2006-2014 would live and breathe music and yet couldn't tell you the first thing about composition and a vast majority didn't have even modest skill on an instrument. It was weird realizing that being really into music and being really into playing music can be completely separate hobbies.

There was certainly a counterculture movement against musicianship that popped up as a direct result of all the trendy genres beforehand that stressed lavish guitar solos and the like. And yeah, there were too many bands that just used unusual arrangements over standard pop tracks (hear me play Hey Jules on the ukulele!) and called it a day.

What gets me is that this is just one thing that happened. Another thing that happened is Jazz Fusion bands with musicianship that blows anything else out of the water also became popular, and rnb went back to its Funk roots. There are lots of things happening in music, to look at the top 20 billboard chart and draw terminal conclusions on the state of the ability for humankind to produce musical art seems deliberately obtuse to me.
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fenderbender321 posted...

But that is what you compare...nobody cares about shitty music. You look at what's best and compare. Because with music, you can take or leave it.

It's an incredibly dishonest argument when you structure it like "see the 70s were like this [include all best examples of 70s music], but the 2010s are like this [include the most obnoxious rap artists I can think of]". People in the 70s knew how to play instruments like [insert top 5 most famous guitar prodigies] whereas people today don't even know how to hit a note [cite tyler the creator]".

If you want to talk about the shape and state of a music era you can't just pick your personal favourite or least favourite 10 bands to confirm your bias and call it a day.
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