Current Events > Zelda: Breath of the Wild or Super Mario Odyssey?

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Gonna go buy one when it stops raining, which should I buy?
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Both are modern day masterpieces imo so you can't go wrong with either. Depends if you're craving some platforming or open world gameplay.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Both are modern day masterpieces imo so you can't go wrong with either. Depends if you're craving some platforming or open world gameplay.

Damn. I like both.

Bump? Can anyone make a case for either one? Leaning towards Zelda ATM.
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nicklebro posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Both are modern day masterpieces imo so you can't go wrong with either. Depends if you're craving some platforming or open world gameplay.

Damn. I like both.

Bump? Can anyone make a case for either one? Leaning towards Zelda ATM.

Zelda gets stale fast, I dont understand how fanboys can overlook these glaring faults and lack of dungeons

Mario is better imo
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Played both, loved both, but I loved BoTW a little more. Though I've always preferred Zelda over Mario.

Odyssey plays more like a traditional 3D Mario than BoTW plays like a traditional 3D Zelda. I don't know if that helps or convolutes things for you.
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soulunison2 posted...

nicklebro posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Both are modern day masterpieces imo so you can't go wrong with either. Depends if you're craving some platforming or open world gameplay.

Damn. I like both.

Bump? Can anyone make a case for either one? Leaning towards Zelda ATM.

Zelda gets stale fast, I dont understand how fanboys can overlook these glaring faults and lack of dungeons

I just read that lack of dungeons thing, so wtf is the game even about then? Plz explain.

solosnake posted...

Mario is better imo

But why? This is super important I demand a one page essay on your opinion. Lol no but really, gimme a reason to agree with you. It'd be easier for me to choose Mario since I can just order it on the o line service rather than having to go buy it.
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Thunder_Armor posted...

Played both, loved both, but I loved BoTW a little more. Though I've always preferred Zelda over Mario.

Odyssey plays more like a traditional 3D Mario than BoTW plays like a traditional 3D Zelda. I don't know if that helps or convolutes things for you.

Well how's it compare to Mario 64? And how does the no dungeons thing work for zelda?

I've always preferr d Zelda too, but haven't played one in years. It's why I'm leaning that way.
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in zelda you will be running across vast empty expanses and ocassionally doing a 2-3 minute shrine.
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Just buy both. You wont regret
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nicklebro posted...

soulunison2 posted...

nicklebro posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Both are modern day masterpieces imo so you can't go wrong with either. Depends if you're craving some platforming or open world gameplay.

Damn. I like both.

Bump? Can anyone make a case for either one? Leaning towards Zelda ATM.

Zelda gets stale fast, I dont understand how fanboys can overlook these glaring faults and lack of dungeons

I just read that lack of dungeons thing, so wtf is the game even about then? Plz explain.

solosnake posted...

Mario is better imo

But why? This is super important I demand a one page essay on your opinion. Lol no but really, gimme a reason to agree with you. It'd be easier for me to choose Mario since I can just order it on the o line service rather than having to go buy it.

Same old same old, help Zelda beat Ganon but for some reason cut up half the dungeons into little shrines that get boring fast

Which sucks cuz BotW has amazing combat

Hairy-man posted...

Just buy both. You wont regret

I eventually will, but I like having one game to focus in at a time. My idiot sister picked Skyrim to be the one game to go with my switch and I already had it for the PS4

soulunison2 posted...

nicklebro posted...

soulunison2 posted...

nicklebro posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Both are modern day masterpieces imo so you can't go wrong with either. Depends if you're craving some platforming or open world gameplay.

Damn. I like both.

Bump? Can anyone make a case for either one? Leaning towards Zelda ATM.

Zelda gets stale fast, I dont understand how fanboys can overlook these glaring faults and lack of dungeons

I just read that lack of dungeons thing, so wtf is the game even about then? Plz explain.

solosnake posted...

Mario is better imo

But why? This is super important I demand a one page essay on your opinion. Lol no but really, gimme a reason to agree with you. It'd be easier for me to choose Mario since I can just order it on the o line service rather than having to go buy it.

Same old same old, help Zelda beat Ganon but for some reason cut up half the dungeons into little shrines that get boring fast

Which sucks cuz BotW has amazing combat

I like the same old Zelda games tho, but can you maybe explain. Sbrines to me? Are they like open air mini dungeons?
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Are people saying Mario Odyssey is better because it actually is better or because they're rebelling against the ubiquitous overwhelming praise and GOTY status heaped on BOTW?

I haven't played either and I plan to play both but the poll results seem curious to me.
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If you're leaning Zelda, go Zelda. It's great. Mario is maybe as good, but not better.
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The shrines are super mini dungeons that take like 4 minutes st most to finish and you beat them to upgrade health/stamina

Botw is very farcry/Skyrim with outposts but the overworld is really empty and exploring only to find shrines is really stale

By all means go Zelda if youd like, its a decent game with a pretty cool story and you can lore geek out like I did but I ended up being underwhelmed

soulunison2 posted...

overworld is really empty

It's called nature. You really need mission NPCs every ten steps?
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ledbowman posted...

soulunison2 posted...

overworld is really empty

It's called nature. You really need mission NPCs every ten steps?

Holy shit I laughed out loud at this.

Hey don't fight guys plz. We all have opinions and in this case they can't be wrong.

And ok can someone please make a pro Mario argument by using actual game play and game description? And then I'll ask no more of you wise and knowledgeable folks.
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Odyssey isn't that good.
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both games are overrated.
both games are good.
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Shrines, dungeons, whatever. They both act in the manner to move the game forward. Only people attached obsessively to aspects of game don't like changes in the game. BotW is an amazing game. And I've played all the 3D Zelda games, and it does indeed play nothing like previous 3D Zelda games, except in combat. People who didn't like the changes, say it sucked. Which really isn't an unbiased opinion, I'd say with most people voicing it. Don't like the shrines over the dungeons? Fair enough. But that doesn't negate everything great about BotW.

As Mario Odyssey goes, I don't know yet. Bought it and a Switch for Christmas, but my kids played it most of the whole weekend. But what I watched of it seemed fun and mixed 3D Mario with 2D Mario in some of the stages.
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JustMonika posted...

Odyssey isn't that good.

Is it as good or better than Mario 64?
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thanosibe posted...

Shrines, dungeons, whatever. They both act in the manner to move the game forward. Only people attached obsessively to aspects of game don't like changes in the game. BotW is an amazing game. And I've played all the 3D Zelda games, and it does indeed play nothing like previous 3D Zelda games, except in combat. People who didn't like the changes, say it sucked. Which really isn't an unbiased opinion, I'd say with most people voicing it. Don't like the shrines over the dungeons? Fair enough. But that doesn't negate everything great about BotW.

As Mario Odyssey goes, I don't know yet. Bought it and a Switch for Christmas, but my kids played it most of the whole weekend. But what I watched of it seemed fun and mixed 3D Mario with 2D Mario in some of the stages.

Ok so if you had to name your favorite part of Zelda what would it be? The thing you enjoyed most, was it storyline? Is it still cool how you see things that are unattainable until you earn some item that let's you get to that location or whatever? Is the combat really that good?

And of there aren't any dungeons, what see the challenges that are fun to overcome In the game?
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BOTW is boring
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Lol fucking poll has been dead even the whole time. Man I'm guess there is no wrong answer.

But I wanna see a pro Mario argument before I choose
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thanosibe posted...

Shrines, dungeons, whatever. They both act in the manner to move the game forward. Only people attached obsessively to aspects of game don't like changes in the game. BotW is an amazing game. And I've played all the 3D Zelda games, and it does indeed play nothing like previous 3D Zelda games, except in combat. People who didn't like the changes, say it sucked. Which really isn't an unbiased opinion, I'd say with most people voicing it. Don't like the shrines over the dungeons? Fair enough. But that doesn't negate everything great about BotW.

As Mario Odyssey goes, I don't know yet. Bought it and a Switch for Christmas, but my kids played it most of the whole weekend. But what I watched of it seemed fun and mixed 3D Mario with 2D Mario in some of the stages.

My problem with shrines is that theyre copy paste jobs and they get boring fast

Look at Skyrim with how to do mini dungeons and fallout with the vaults - fill them with character and give them tiny storylines, i dont like how minimal the challenge in dungeons were, I dont like how small the actual dungeons were (I think the hummingbird took me 20 minutes from the beginning of the storyline to windblight Gannon to beat) and that the game was cut into boring shrines that dont allow the combat the shine

Your love or hate of BotW will depend at least partly on what game you choose to enter the series with. If your first / best experience with the series was Zelda 1 / Link to the Past, you will hugely appreciate the serie's return to its roots: a more freeform create-your-own-adventure style of gameplay. If you're more used to what Ocarina of Time turned the series into and the handhol...erm, more structured gameplay style that it and the majority of its successors provide, you will likely feel frustrated by the lack of guidance. For what it's worth, BotW delivers a go-anywhere, do-anything experience better than any other game I've played. See that mountain in the distance? You actually can climb it. Ultimately it depends on how you feel about open-world games; whether you see them as sandboxes to play unrestricted in, or giant empty stretches of nothing.

As for the Shrines, they're basically traditional dungeons and caves split up into 120 smaller, more focused puzzles: you will enter a Shrine and be given a specific goal (or related set of goals) to get through in order to get your treasure(s) and a Spirit Orb, which can be redeemed elsewhere for heart or stamina upgrades. Traditional LoZ puzzle / exploration items like the Hookshot are gone - you are given a core set of magical abilities in the game's intro, and use those for the rest of the game. This may seem like and unwelcome change at first, and maybe your opinion of that won't change as the game goes along. Personally, I found it a treat to have these abilities available from the outset, so that I could use and master them throughout the entire game (and considering how much this spider-monkey version of Link paired with the Glider trumps the Hookshot any day of the week in terms of exploration freedom, I highly doubt you'll be missing it). I also greatly appreciated the way that the shrines had self-contained puzzles, the solutions to which were not immediately obvious like in traditional Zelda games: 'oh, you've come across a dungeon puzzle, odds are the solution is that seemingly-cool item you just got that will be mostly useless after this dungeon is over.'

In addition, there's still the four Divine Beast dungeons - not on par length-wise with your average traditional Zelda dungeons, but can still give you a decent puzzle-solving fix in addition to the Shrines.
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nicklebro posted...

thanosibe posted...

Shrines, dungeons, whatever. They both act in the manner to move the game forward. Only people attached obsessively to aspects of game don't like changes in the game. BotW is an amazing game. And I've played all the 3D Zelda games, and it does indeed play nothing like previous 3D Zelda games, except in combat. People who didn't like the changes, say it sucked. Which really isn't an unbiased opinion, I'd say with most people voicing it. Don't like the shrines over the dungeons? Fair enough. But that doesn't negate everything great about BotW.

As Mario Odyssey goes, I don't know yet. Bought it and a Switch for Christmas, but my kids played it most of the whole weekend. But what I watched of it seemed fun and mixed 3D Mario with 2D Mario in some of the stages.

Ok so if you had to name your favorite part of Zelda what would it be? The thing you enjoyed most, was it storyline? Is it still cool how you see things that are unattainable until you earn some item that let's you get to that location or whatever? Is the combat really that good?

And of there aren't any dungeons, what see the challenges that are fun to overcome In the game?

Aspects I liked was the amount of things to do (and they keep adding DLC, if you care to buy it, even though it's only a one-time $20 purchase). Shrines, side quests, armor/costume upgrades, hunting for food, finding other materials for food dishes/potions. There's a lot to do, but I get that some people might get bored of it.

A lot of the side quests are fetch quests. So they are pretty basic. But they help you explore the world. And finding Korok seeds (something fairly intricate to the game) and other specific materials can sometimes be boring or monotonous without a reason to do so. Like side quest "go take a picture of these three things" and while you do that you find Cool Staffila you need for X armor upgrade and 3 Korok seeds.

I will admit though, as more and more of the word gets explored the less you are going to come across new things. Like I am presently, pretty much seeking more Korok seeds, so I don't play as long because outside of a few small DLC side quests, I don't have much else to do on the game. But I do still enjoy playing it.

There's not much in the way of unattainable in BotW. Once you past the preliminary trial, you pretty much have access to 80-90% of the world right off the bat. There's still things like needing something to close to Death Mountain because of the heat. But that's really it, without spoiling anything.

I see what they call the "Divine Beasts" as the dungeons of the game. There's only four (without the DLC) but they challenge your brain to figure out how to advance further, just like 3D Zelda dungeons did. They just don't call them that. But they are specific to four regions of the world, so they even have themes like the old Zelda dungeons did.

It's a very open world game. While I have not played Skyrim, I've heard BotW be compared to that a lot. Maybe not in story or specific gameplay, but in the aspects like side quests, item hunting, and open world.

Story isn't much to me in video games. When the story is good, it's nice. But a bland story doesn't ruin a good game to me. And BotW was pretty bland in the story department. Though, again, the so far released DLC has added to that.
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masterpug53 posted...

Your love or hate of BotW will depend at least partly on what game you choose to enter the series with. If your first / best experience with the series was Zelda 1 / Link to the Past, you will hugely appreciate the serie's return to its roots: a more freeform create-your-own-adventure style of gameplay

That about settles it.

thanosibe posted...

Aspects I liked was *snip*

Great review man, you should post that were, very informative.

Unless an absolute glowing Mario review comes in soon, I'm going to get botw as soon as the sun comes up.

Thanks guys, this is the part of CE that I love.
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Not a problem. It's nice to know what you are getting in to when you are about to spend $60.
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zelda and final fantasy is nothing but fanboys overhyping. get mario

pinky0926 posted...

Are people saying Mario Odyssey is better because it actually is better or because they're rebelling against the ubiquitous overwhelming praise and GOTY status heaped on BOTW?

the latter

it's the same old story. literally everyone else is stupid and wrong; gamefaqs users know best

Third_Eye posted...

zelda and final fantasy is nothing but fanboys overhyping. get mario

But I am a zelda fanboy

Omnislasher posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Are people saying Mario Odyssey is better because it actually is better or because they're rebelling against the ubiquitous overwhelming praise and GOTY status heaped on BOTW?

the latter

it's the same old story. literally everyone else is stupid and wrong; gamefaqs users know best

We do seem to attract a lot of contrarians. Then again so does the internet in general. Anything popular gets hated on. Anyone popular gets hated on. So really I know the best advice to take is that of positive feedback. It's why I kept asking for a pro Mario review, every pro Mario post has just been shitting on Zelda. It's like dude... This single sentence post on CE is not going to convince me that Zelda sucks lmao, so tell me what's good about Mario! But that didn't happen.
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nicklebro posted...

Third_Eye posted...

zelda and final fantasy is nothing but fanboys overhyping. get mario

But I am a zelda fanboy

Omnislasher posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Are people saying Mario Odyssey is better because it actually is better or because they're rebelling against the ubiquitous overwhelming praise and GOTY status heaped on BOTW?

the latter

it's the same old story. literally everyone else is stupid and wrong; gamefaqs users know best

We do seem to attract a lot of contrarians. Then again so does the internet in general. Anything popular gets hated on. Anyone popular gets hated on. So really I know the best advice to take is that of positive feedback. It's why I kept asking for a pro Mario review, every pro Mario post has just been shitting on Zelda. It's like dude... This single sentence post on CE is not going to convince me that Zelda sucks lmao, so tell me what's good about Mario! But that didn't happen.

Well I mean you seem to have played mario before. Its mario. You know what youre getting lol.
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^From what little I watched my kids play it seems that Odyssey isn't much different than SMG, which wasn't much different than SMS, which wasn't much different than Mario 64. The 3D Mario games haven't changed much. So if you like them I'm guessing you'll like Odyssey. BotW however is something new and fresh to the franchise.
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solosnake posted...

Well I mean you seem to have played mario before. Its mario. You know what youre getting lol.

I've played both before. Both seem to have new things and some great old things. It's why I did r have my mind made up immediately in the first place.

I just feel like of someone can eloquently explain what's fun about a game, it must be fun. Saw that with zelda,but didn't with Mario, despite asking for it multiple times.
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nicklebro posted...

Well how's it compare to Mario 64?

I've seen you ask this a few times to no real answers. Odyssey feels like a direct sequel to SM64 more so than any of the other 3D titles and imo is the best 3D Mario yet. The post game stuff is what really puts it over the edge.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3R0KShZ_A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGzQPNlle4
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voldothegr8 posted...

nicklebro posted...

Well how's it compare to Mario 64?

I've seen you ask this a few times to no real answers. Odyssey feels like a direct sequel to SM64 more so than any of the other 3D titles and imo is the best 3D Mario yet. The post game stuff is what really puts it over the edge.

Yeah I was bringing up SM64 so much because if its anything like that, well its a must have in my book. It looks like a much "denser" game but I am getting the feeling that I'll enjoy BOTW open world freedom just a bit more. Are the levels in Odyssey like those of SM64 in that they're basically open world levels with a somewhat structured way of going through them, but aren't linear or strictly "start to finish" kinda levels?
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solosnake posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3R0KShZ_A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGzQPNlle4

God, I can't help but feel like I am actually alone in this opinion, but that guys voice makes those unbearable. Idk why, its probably just me, but ugh. But thanks, I at least saw what the Mario levels would basically look like.

GOING WITH BotW GUYS! THANKS AGAIN! GETTING MARIO PROBABLY NEXT MONTH!
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nicklebro posted...

GOING WITH BotW GUYS! THANKS AGAIN! GETTING MARIO PROBABLY NEXT MONTH!

That is a good plan
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solosnake posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3R0KShZ_A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGzQPNlle4

That's actually a good review of BotW. (And thankfully captioned since I don't have speakers.) The inventory issue, to me, eventually wasn't as big of an issue. It definitely could be improved on if there is another entry in the Zelda series like BotW. And there was actually some good suggestions noted on the BotW by posters here that I hope Nintendo recognizes too. Otherwise, he really articulated a lot of the simple things I like about BotW.

Is the Switch version of BotW as insufferable as the Wii U when it comes to the "apparatus shrines"? If so, it would be the only other complaint I would make about BotW.
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nicklebro posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

nicklebro posted...

Well how's it compare to Mario 64?

I've seen you ask this a few times to no real answers. Odyssey feels like a direct sequel to SM64 more so than any of the other 3D titles and imo is the best 3D Mario yet. The post game stuff is what really puts it over the edge.

Yeah I was bringing up SM64 so much because if its anything like that, well its a must have in my book. It looks like a much "denser" game but I am getting the feeling that I'll enjoy BOTW open world freedom just a bit more. Are the levels in Odyssey like those of SM64 in that they're basically open world levels with a somewhat structured way of going through them, but aren't linear or strictly "start to finish" kinda levels?

Picture any level in SM64, make it much bigger and pack it with stars galore. That's Oddesy in a nutshell. The average level has ~50 moons and it's a blast hunting them all down. For the hardcore platformer there's plenty of challenging moons to, mostly in the post game.

But like I said, can't go wrong either way. I put mass hours into Zelda, got all the equipment, beat all the shrines and completed every quest except the DLC bullshit sword trial. Got around 500 Korok seeds too.
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Breath of the Wild, i still enjoy the game today, lot of places to explore, amazing storyline, dungeons, atmosphere, yadda yadda.

Odessey is good too, but it doenst stick to me like BoTW does, also the game is too easy, imo
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BigTee66 posted...

Breath of the Wild, i still enjoy the game today, lot of places to explore, amazing storyline, dungeons, atmosphere, yadda yadda.

Odessey is good too, but it doenst stick to me like BoTW does, also the game is too easy, imo

Yeah the epicness of BotW is what really sold me, it feels like a true adventure like when I was a kid playing ALttP and went into the forest to get the Master Sword.
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