Current Events > Nerfing OP skills in single player games. What are your opinions?

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DuranOfForcena posted...

Notti posted...

Thats "IMO, all games are multiplayer to a degree."

which is wrong

It's right, just reread:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76140935?jumpto=151#151

also, even if you want to classify stuff like leaderboards and speedruns as "multiplayer", that still doesn't mean that a single player game with those things should be balanced around PvP

Balanced around competition, not making the game play and look lame.

For instance, the Witcher 3 exploit that this topic is about, should be fixed, for those reasons.

If the game has direct PVP, I already discussed that starting here:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76140935?jumpto=129#129

Feel free to pick a point mentioned there to discuss, Duran.

DuranOfForcena posted...

Notti posted...

Oh well, Duran, maybe find some other topic to be ignorant about?

not unless you want to find another topic

At least you admit you're ignorant here. That's good.

to be an incorrect, insufferable jackass about

Insufferable is Duran's middle name. (and Incorrect is your last name) Just look at your last dozen replies to this topic. Each one appears to be the result of some sort of pseudo-Tourette's troll stroke. But I don't hold it against you. Seems instinctual and emotional.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

^you do understand that you are the one who is coming off looking ridiculous, ignorant, and insufferable to everyone else here, not me, right?

hmmm, I'm sorry for making all the following quoted insufferable posts:

Notti posted...

what the fuck? are you serious? okay, i really refuse to believe that this is a serious post. single players games are not multiplayer games. and single player content sure as fuck shouldn't be balanced around pvp. what a fucking joke. wtf is this shit? don't tag me for bullshit like this. wow this sure is a lot of stupid bullshit. why do you insist on posting such large amounts of stupid bullshit? that's what i'm wondering. i'm honestly being asked right now why gearing a single player game towards PVP that is nonexistent in that game is bullshit. what a time to be alive. yeah, i've read your bullshit before where you claim that single player only games with absolutely no multiplayer component are still multiplayer PVP games. fuck that bullshit. what is wrong with you? what is wrong in your head? are you just a massive, ridiculous fucking troll or are you actually intellectually bankrupt enough to actually believe the stupid, incorrect, laughable, ridiculous, idiotic, crazy bullshit that have been spouting this entire time? there is no player vs player aspect in singleplayer only games. period, end of argument, if you think otherwise then you are either a dipshit or a really fucking terrible troll.

I really make myself look bad when I quote it all put it all in 1 shit pile. And I can totally understand anyone who reads this quote above and thinks I sound ridiculous, emotional, insufferable, ridiculous. As if I'm throwing a tantrum when confronted with a perspective I am unable to understand. How embarrassing.

So for the above quoted garbage in this post, I truly apologize, and I...

... wait a moment...

... That..wh... those are not my quotes..

..That concentrated pile of quoted festering garbage is yours and wins the award for worst in topic.

Sorry but, apology rescinded.... :_(
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Notti posted...

I really make myself look bad when I quote it all put it all in 1 shit pile

actually you you do, cuz who the fuck takes the time to go through and quote every single message a user has made in a thread? someone with something seriously wrong in the their brain, that's who.

Cool, so we both now agree your posts are nearly universally awful, as I was at a loss on how to explain how bad your posts are, so, I went with a "show, don't tell" line of thought. Worked much better.

But we've also discovered that you don't know how read ("IMO, all games are multiplayer to a degree."), and you also don't know to use a computer even though you are at GameFAQs (text faqs and topic pages searchable with control+f) and don't know how easy it is to use control+F and copy paste.

Control+F and copy paste is so easy, even a Duran can do it....

... I would've thought.

someone who thinks stupid shit like single player games should be balanced around PVP.

Already replied to your inability to read here:

Notti posted...

also, even if you want to classify stuff like leaderboards and speedruns as "multiplayer", that still doesn't mean that a single player game with those things should be balanced around PvP

Balanced around competition, not making the game play and look lame.

For instance, the Witcher 3 exploit that this topic is about, should be fixed, for those reasons.

If the game has direct PVP, I already discussed that starting here:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76140935?jumpto=129#129

Feel free to pick a point mentioned there to discuss, Duran.

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Since those quotes appear no where else, I'll just assume they're you speaking about yourself.

DuranOfForcena posted...

troll troll troll

Don't be so hard on yourself... I'm sure you do more than that... surely.... Surely? Ok maybe not.

DuranOfForcena posted...

i like to troll

Yeah, we already established that over here:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76140935?jumpto=156#156

DuranOfForcena posted...

lololololololo

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Notti posted...

Bring on the nerfs! (and no, buffs shouldn't be more common than nerfs. If a house has a wooden board that is 2 inches too long, you don't alter the whole house, you cut that board down. You do nerfs and buffs as appropriate. Avoiding nerfs is bad)

"But what about single player only games?"

IMO, all games are multiplayer to a degree.

High score boards. Speed running.

Two huge ways that games that seem to be just single player, can be turned into competitive games. Not even counting the more informal types of competition between friends.

Notice I said "to a degree".

High score boards are basically indirect competition, rather than direct.

A high score board is like a primitive, indirect, form of competition. (so are lap times in race games, a bit like speed running)

For instance, let's say a game of Pac-man had some method that let you run up the score in some exploitative way that was clearly unintended, and ruin the high score boards, maxing out the scores.

Of course the dev should get in there are fix it.

Once you can see that high score systems are indirect competition, it's not much more of a leap to adjusting single player for balance issues.

And that includes things that make speed runs look awful, or even just spectating the game. If it makes the game look lame af (when players play efficient), it just seems common sense to adjust it.

Expanding on my point. There's more to the game nowadays than just leaving it be. Nowadays you can look at how the game is being perceived and tweak the game to better match what the developers ideal of it is. For instance information now spreads like wildfire and LetsPlays and Reviews of your game can showcase all sorts of embarrassing gameplay imbalances that before might have been mostly hidden before.

You don't want your game looking like "Do this 1 OP thing over and over to win" and if you see several players exploiting a major imbalance you can tweak that so that future reviews and letsplays are more diverse and showcase more of your game, instead of everyone using redguy, and spamming his tornado slash+regen sword for the whole game.
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