Current Events > Do you think the age of consent should be lowered?

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COVxy posted...

Nah, the analogy holds, most people who are defrauded give their money away with a smile, only after their money is gone and the promises are too does that smile go away. Much like someone being coerced into sex, only to realize that they were manipulated and used.

The analogy fails because there's no monetary loss. You want to make it a crime to have sex with somebody who ends up regretting it. That's absurd.

Legally speaking, you'd have to prove the intelligence of the people, you'd have to prove the motive, and you'd have to come up with legal definitions for "manipulated and used." Which is kind of impossible.
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thelovefist posted...

Looks like the pedos are living up to their tags

I didnt have Covxy tagged as a pedophile until this topic. I had no idea he was a pedophile. Has he spouted that shit in the past?
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Wait a second, I'm arguing with the pedo? Oh hell no. HELL no.

Guy thinks it should be ok to have sex with children but thinks it should be classified as rape if somebody feels bad afterwards? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that?
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r4X0r posted...

Wait a second, I'm arguing with the pedo? Oh hell no. HELL no.

Guy thinks it should be ok to have sex with children but thinks it should be classified as rape if somebody feels bad afterwards? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that?

You should read my posts rather than listening to people emotionally responding to them.

COVxy posted...

Coerced sex is rape. Set the standard to prove coercion in these cases, rather than just assuming it based on age differentials.

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COVxy posted...

r4X0r posted...

Wait a second, I'm arguing with the pedo? Oh hell no. HELL no.

Guy thinks it should be ok to have sex with children but thinks it should be classified as rape if somebody feels bad afterwards? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that?

You should read my posts rather than listening to people emotionally responding to them.

COVxy posted...

Coerced sex is rape. Set the standard to prove coercion in these cases, rather than just assuming it based on age differentials.

You shouldnt have to prove coercion when it is a full grown 25+ adult having sex with someone still in high school. Its wrong.
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Zodd3224 posted...

You shouldnt have to prove coercion when it is a full grown 25+ adult having sex with someone still in high school. Its wrong.

You should when the best multivariate fit of brain functional organization with age looks like this:


Where adults a near indistinguishable from teens cross-sectionally. Truth is that brain development is highly variable across people, and there are likely teens who can consent as much as your average college student can.

If it's a moralistic stance as you are putting it, then fine, but you accept that it is inherently irrational. If you are talking about capability of consent as a rationalization, however, then we're in this territory where we're actually looking at how well age predicts these things.
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COVxy posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

You shouldnt have to prove coercion when it is a full grown 25+ adult having sex with someone still in high school. Its wrong.

You should when the best multivariate fit of brain functional organization with age looks like this:


Where adults a near indistinguishable from teens cross-sectionally. Truth is that brain development is highly variable across people, and there are likely teens who can consent as much as your average college student can.

If it's a moralistic stance as you are putting it, then fine, but you accept that it is inherently irrational. If you are talking about capability of consent as a rationalization, however, then we're in this territory where we're actually looking at how well age predicts these things.

Just stop it. High school kids are not as mature nor do they have the life experience necessary to be involved with adults. I dont care what your chart says.
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JebronLames posted...

AmonAmarth posted...

I think 16 is okay.

the problem is that people are less mature than they used to be.
1950 lose virginity at 20. marriage 21.
today its lose virginity 16, marriage, 25?

some states it is 18 though, you think that's too high? and less mature than they used to be? idk about that

i think people are less mature, so they change partners instead of sticking to one.
so you get earlier losing viriginity and marriage much later.
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JebronLames posted...

COVxy posted...

I think age of consent should be abolished, really.

Coerced sex is rape. Set the standard to prove coercion in these cases, rather than just assuming it based on age differentials.

i kinda agree with this, some 16 year olds are very mature and have good judgment

what does coerced sex mean? (honestly dont know).

I guess some people are more mature than others.
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masticatingman posted...

Sada_Pop posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Keeping track of potential pedos ITT

These topics make it so easy. People on message boards legit don't care that they're cool with fucking 14 year olds and shit.

Isnt that the age of consent in France? Lol.

the youngest age of consent is in Spain at 14 afaik.
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AmonAmarth posted...

what does coerced sex mean? (honestly dont know).

I mean, it's the basis for statutory rape. Someone doesn't have enough knowledge to properly consent. In other words, someone else deliberately preying on vulnerable and naive populations for sex.

Idk, if that's not the justification for statutory rape, then all we've got left is that it seems icky.
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einegutePerson posted...

i think most people who vehemently deny things like being attracted to 16-year-old girls

are the ones who are most attracted to them

but i mean

i may just be making assumptions

lmao

edit: notice how i didn't even imply that it was a bad thing - like, yeah you can find 16 year olds attractive, it's natural. you can't help yourself. but he's acting like I just tried to charge him with statutory rape lmfao

majority of men are attracted to them.

however things like ephephilia is attraction to 12-16 as a primary .
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fenderbender321 posted...

Anyway, CE is the only place I've ever discussed this issue on the internet or IRL where there is such disdain and hatred for such a concept.

I don't think I'm going to participate in this discussion anymore. It's meaningless to me, anyway.

i agree with some of your points. and yes here there is a lot of hatred.
i think a 25 guy with a mature 17 girl is nothing wrong.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Is there any way to look at sexual maturity is a similar way?

Depends on what exactly you mean by sexual maturity. You could presumably use some of the pubertal stage scales, the Tanner scales are the ones I know, and do the same type of support vector regression they did here to create an index of brain maturation that maximally relates to tanner stage.
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No, 16-18 is entirely appropriate. I do think there should be some reworking, though. E.g -

-15 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds (or 17/18 for states where the AoC is 18) shouldn't result in charges that put people on the sex offender registry, and child pornography charges relating to people sending nude photos on themselves to their near-aged boyfriend/girlfriend are completely absurd.

Basically, use common sense and don't apply serious charges in attempt to punish teenagers for having sex.

-There should be consent laws regarding significant age gaps, conversely. A 30something going out with an 18 year old, in my opinion, probably isn't in the best interest of the 18 year old since the significant age gap (and by extension, experience/intelligence gap, due to the human brain not even finishing development until the age of 25) leaves room for the younger person to be easily exploited.

I don't really care if states roll with 16 or 18 (It's 17 in Texas) but there should be laws addressing big age gaps and there should be laws preventing irrational/petty parents or local districts from screwing over high school students on technicalities never intended when the laws were put into place.

lowering it from 16 is a pretty stupid idea
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

No, 16-18 is entirely appropriate. I do think there should be some reworking, though. E.g -

-15 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds (or 17/18 for states where the AoC is 18) shouldn't result in charges that put people on the sex offender registry, and child pornography charges relating to people sending nude photos on themselves to their near-aged boyfriend/girlfriend are completely absurd.

Basically, use common sense and don't apply serious charges in attempt to punish teenagers for having sex.

-There should be consent laws regarding significant age gaps, conversely. A 30something going out with an 18 year old, in my opinion, probably isn't in the best interest of the 18 year old since the significant age gap (and by extension, experience/intelligence gap, due to the human brain not even finishing development until the age of 25) leaves room for the younger person to be easily exploited.

I don't really care if states roll with 16 or 18 (It's 17 in Texas) but there should be laws addressing big age gaps and there should be laws preventing irrational/petty parents or local districts from screwing over high school students on technicalities never intended when the laws were put into place.

lowering it from 16 is a pretty stupid idea

This is reasonable. Its really the large gaps in age between a teen and an adult that is an issue, not other closely aged teens (like 16 with an 18, etc.)
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AmonAmarth posted...

my last bump.

why do you keep bumping this topic dude? it ain't even your topic, it's mine. I can't remember what your stance on the topic question was
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shockthemonkey posted...

COVxy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Is there any way to look at sexual maturity is a similar way?

Depends on what exactly you mean by sexual maturity. You could presumably use some of the pubertal stage scales, the Tanner scales are the ones I know, and do the same type of support vector regression they did here to create an index of brain maturation that maximally relates to tanner stage.

I have absolutely no idea what most of that means.

Yeah, he does that on purpose. Its so easy to make that understandable to the layman but he deliberately avoids doing so, kinda lame if you ask me.

"If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein.
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Zodd3224 posted...

COVxy posted...

r4X0r posted...

Wait a second, I'm arguing with the pedo? Oh hell no. HELL no.

Guy thinks it should be ok to have sex with children but thinks it should be classified as rape if somebody feels bad afterwards? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that?

You should read my posts rather than listening to people emotionally responding to them.

COVxy posted...

Coerced sex is rape. Set the standard to prove coercion in these cases, rather than just assuming it based on age differentials.

You shouldnt have to prove coercion when it is a full grown 25+ adult having sex with someone still in high school. Its wrong.

Plus, how tf are you going to prove coercion on a consistent basis? Age of consent laws are incredibly important, although they are heavily flawed. They're far better than nothing.
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nicklebro posted...

Yeah, he does that on purpose. Its so easy to make that understandable to the layman but he deliberately avoids doing so, kinda lame if you ask me.

"If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein.

I mean, the only technical terminology I used was functionally defined within the sentence. You can eliminate the technical language there and have it be understandable.

I know, however, scar is actually in academia (can't remember the discipline) so he might actually want the terms to google.
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COVxy posted...

nicklebro posted...

Yeah, he does that on purpose. Its so easy to make that understandable to the layman but he deliberately avoids doing so, kinda lame if you ask me.

"If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein.

I mean, the only technical terminology I used was functionally defined within the sentence. You can eliminate the technical language there and have it be understandable.

I know, however, scar is actually in academia (can't remember the discipline) so he might actually want the terms to google.

C'mon man, you're smart enough to know I'm right. You definitely go out of your way to use complex or just uncommon terminology all the time. I know you just want to establish how intelligent you are and I'm telling you that you don't need to resort to those kinds of cheap tricks to do so. In fact if anything it makes you come off Deepak Chopra-ish and puts your intellect into question rather than cementing it. You're a smart guy, don't ruin it by being a smart ass. You've got too much to contribute to ruin it like that.
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