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KCF0107
01/19/18 2:19:06 AM
#151:


tcaz2 posted...
KCF0107 posted...
- I'm guessing this might be like voting decision and the game remembers what the other teams did so I have to eventually refrain from pressing switch with all three teams

It actually doesn't IIRC.

The voting does, but that doesn't for some reason.

I mean like you do have to go through the decision with each team and not press the button but you don't have to do it all in one run like with the voting to get a result from it.

Well that makes things simple
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KCF0107
01/20/18 3:39:20 AM
#152:


I have an update, but I think that I will wait until I also have my revised Zerometer ready.
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KCF0107
01/20/18 2:46:10 PM
#153:


Q team, Pop Off return

I just let time elapse, Eric somehow accepted that. Eric was intending to propose to Mira, and it sounds like he bought it before joining the experiment, so the $500,000 payday may not have been the reason why he joined. He doesn't strike me as the person who is genuine interested in mankind's future, so, and I'm sorry to have mentioned this like five times already, but I am totally clueless as to why he and Mira joined this.

Q happened to discover something with the floor. Because the developers cut a lot of corners in the animation and general graphics department, I'm not even sure if that was supposed to be scorch marks, dried blood, or something else entirely.

Q team, First Come, First Saved return

Goddamn Eric is such a constant emotional wreck that part of me pities him. I think that getting a second look at teams being showered with acid (I obviously pressed the button this time) helped me confirm that Zero has the acid fall after they wake up from being put to sleep again.

I'm pretty sure that the new set of X-passes were all new, but that doesn't quite make sense as C team died twice in this timeline. That being said, I'm pretty sure that Quark was not Junpei's X Pass way back when. None of the X Passes stand out on their own except maybe Mom for Diana. Key for Akane and Dear for Phi also caused an eyebrow to be raised, but then I remembered that the X Passes probably aren't meant to help you figure anything out.

The team went back to find Gab chained up. Why am I the only one questioning just where and what in the hell this stark white room is located? This is a completely new room, and all they have to say is stuff about this Sleeping Beauty Problem and Metempsychosis, which I guess is a form of reincarnation. I never know which of the random stuff people bring up in these games are just bizarre smalltalk or of actual importance.

They were all intending on abandoning Gab, but Q did not, and based on his reaction and one-sided conversation with the dog, Q might have a history with it.
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KCF0107
01/20/18 3:20:06 PM
#154:


C team, First Come, First Saved return

Pressing the button again, I'm fully expecting Carlos to follow Diana and Q in not going to the surface with the rest of the team. The X Passes were the usual case of most being obvious to me with a few peculiar ones. Q's as Self along with the Transporter Room and all the random stuff characters bring up makes me wonder if Q has a strong connection to Zero in some way, shape, or form. It could also be that Self is short for self-identity, self-awareness, or something that you know Q struggles with for reasons out of their control (or so we are led to believe). The big one was Phi's being Twin. Like, that caused me to way overthink things and made an impact on my upcoming analysis of her.

Speaking of random stuff that characters bring up, Akane brings up several parasites that control their host's actions. One such parasite was exclusive to snails. Anyway, the one that Akane said is known to affect humans also causes slowed reaction times, which as you know I always associate with R-6.

Uh, there was this blue teardrop-ish light that was just falling in the air when the X Door was being opened. WTF was that? I'm not crazy right? I am just going to have to abandon any thoughts on that for the time being as Carlos predictably stayed behind, referencing he was going to save them (everyone? Akane and Junpei?) in another timeline. It was believed he had morphogenetic powers in Poison I believe, but this sounds more like SHIFTing unless he's also Zero or something. He could have one or more of the 20 other things that other characters have brought up.

D team, Fire return

I didn't pull the trigger this time, and at least Sigma didn't chew me out like Phi did when I pulled the trigger. I vaguely remember Phi's brooch and having a mystery father. I'm guessing that gets resolved this game. I thought that Phi and Sigma were born around the same time, and it was Phi that was cryogenically frozen while Sigma lived for those 40 or so years, so the odds that Sigma is Phi's father is probably close to, if not, zero. If Phi's mother died at birth, that could fit into the narrative that Sigma told of his backstory since both were likely quarantined from R-6 and it sounds like they eventually loved each other. However, extreme time and space shenanigans (which I know is always on the table) would have to be in play. There's also this potential twin business.

As the fragment was winding down, Zero said that plans were going smoothly thanks to Diana. It should be noted that while not always the case, Zero seems to have live conversations with the players most of the time while that happened I want to say never in 999 or VLR.
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foolm0r0n
01/20/18 5:40:11 PM
#155:


I've never seen someone actually pay attention to the X passes, I sure as hell didn't. They're pretty good.
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KCF0107
01/20/18 9:01:14 PM
#156:


KCF0107 posted...
If Phi's mother died at birth, that could fit into the narrative that Sigma told of his backstory since both were likely quarantined from R-6 and it sounds like they eventually loved each other.

I should have put a Diana somewhere in that sentence
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KCF0107
01/20/18 9:02:50 PM
#157:


foolm0r0n posted...
I've never seen someone actually pay attention to the X passes, I sure as hell didn't. They're pretty good.

I care way too much about trying to figure stuff out about the characters before the game reveals everything. Unfortunately, I kind of have no fucking clue at this point, but I'm still going to try.
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DeathChicken
01/20/18 9:19:02 PM
#158:


I remember Zero has a live conversation with Junpei in one 999 route. I forget which one, the weird one where Akane is there, then she isn't, then Zero tells him "Looks like I failed" and gasses him
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KCF0107
01/20/18 9:31:47 PM
#159:


Oh, the safe ending? I do recall that now that you mention it
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Raka_Putra
01/21/18 7:14:40 PM
#160:


This gets exciting. There was another sentence that I liked. You're pretty good at this.
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KCF0107
01/21/18 7:17:10 PM
#161:


I just realized that I never posted the analysis that I typed up. I am out eating dinner right now, but I will when I get back.
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KCF0107
01/21/18 10:30:10 PM
#162:


Q - So, it's a virtual certainty that Q's role will go well beyond the likely shock value of their true identity once the head thing goes off. I'm still in the camp that they probably aren't part of Zero's team, but I will admit that I have nothing to back up that claim. The superhuman strength exhibited with the red box and in getting away from Eric, apparent history with Gab, and familiarity to concepts that no person would conceivably know are the non-appearance-related aspects that stick with me the most concerning Q. They did bring up (both in Q team fragments maybe) that life experiences might be passed down genetically and the soul reincarnation. I'm not sure if my old theories of Q possibly being Quark or Carlos' sister are any more or less valid, but I would be surprised at this point if Q didn't have a deep connection to Zero.

Mira - I thought Mira had an MO as a serial killer, but her recent actions I've seen have put that in jeopardy as she attacked Q when that didn't line up with what I knew about the serial killer. Her reason for joining this experiment is still unknown, but I'm in the camp that believes she and Eric are the Quark/Clover/Alice of ZTD in that she doesn't really have a role in the grander scheme of things and are just there for the necessary body count. I mean, they haven't really dealt with her character in a way aside from her being a serial killer and her connection/relationship with Eric, and I'm not really inclined to believe that they ever will. They just seem so isolated from the other seven characters that they scream "Filler!" to me.

Eric - Substitute being a serial killer for traumatized from a childhood event, and what goes for Mira basically goes for Eric. They are pretty indistinguishable in terms of how the game has valued them and put them into the spotlight. The cloud of suspicion hanging over Eric has almost completely vanished.

Diana - I'm not sure if Diana or Q has the most open questions about them, but my head hurts thinking about Diana because of little we know about her and how she's been all over the place emotionally. She didn't reveal her main reason for joining DCOM. Unlike Eric and Mira, her reason was actually teased but she ended up not elaborating. She and Phi had a moment that you normally wouldn't have with someone that you met just a few days ago (the maternal one where Diana hugged Phi). I talk about this with other characters, but her

Phi - I think that I have been looking at her the wrong way. I was suspicious of Sigma because Phi was telling Diana and Sigma that he had jumped in whatever fragment that was. Because Phi was also acting like the Phi I knew from VLR, I assumed she was the most likely to be the character that they claimed to be among her/Sigma/Akane/Junpei. I'm thinking now it might be the exact opposite. Sigma, Akane (maybe), and Junpei have not exhibited any signs of the powers that they had in previous games, so maybe Phi being the exception (regardless if she is to be believed or not) is the real red flag.

Perhaps that also means that the free passes that I gave her for running off and doing her own thing should also be rescinded. The kicker is this Twin X Pass business that I am valuing way too much. I won't bother thinking of theories regarding that until I have an inkling that it does have some bearing on the current game.

Sigma - I'm prepared to eat crow, but I would bet money that Sigma is in fact who he claims to be and is totally innocent in all of this. There is no character that I think I got to know and understand better (thanks to a pair of long conversations that he dominated the discussion in) since my first Zerometer evaluations, and if I made the Zerometer a numerical scale from 0-100, he would be at most a 5.
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KCF0107
01/21/18 10:30:17 PM
#163:


Carlos - The previous two games, and other games with similarities to this one, have the main character be super-important to the overarching plot. I would totally be content if that weren't the case. All I really ask of my main characters that are put into these situations is to be relatable and not garbage. I'm getting off-point, but to circle around, Carlos, Q, and Diana are the team leaders. Therefore, they are the main characters, wiith Carlos being the head honcho due to his role in the opening scene. Why was that the case though?

All three have claimed that they weren't in control of their actions and all three have refused to escape via the elevator for cryptic reasons (Q claims because of Gab, Carlos because "he wants to save everyone in a different timeline, and Diana because ?) when given the chance (though Diana did so in Outbreak) so there's two glaring connections between the three.

Gun to head, my first theory is that Carlos is Zero, Diana is his assistant, and Q is Carlos' sister in some way, shape, or form. Even if that isn't remotely close to the truth, they have to be the three most important characters to the overarching plot. Everything adds up to that being the case.

Junpei - He has a great disdain for Free the Soul, and since I discovered through a file that Free the Soul owns DCOM, I'm sure there's a storyline that can be made there where Junpei became Zero to put the nail in Free the Soul's coffin as much as to prevent things from going awry in the future as it is to torture Free the Soul after the affect that they had on his life and his inability to process that. I mean Akane had it way worse for obvious reasons, but it's clear that she's already a lost cause. Junpei is in the process of being a lost cause, so there's some wiggle room there.

I think that there is a non-zero chance that Q is in fact Quark and that Zero is future Junpei from a timeline where he still meets Quark. Because of his affinity for Quark, he desperately wants Quark to be a part of his life even in timelines where Quark wouldn't exist due to the prevention of the R-6 pandemic. He then does that Transporter Room thing with Q in a different timeline, or maybe something about that soul reincarnation, or maybe Q is manufactured (no blood remember) but has some memories or whatever of the real Quark. If that reads as crazy nonsense, that's because it is, but it's just a thought.

Akane - All I want to know is why did she remain crazed in Suspicion on one decision, and in the other, she settled down and regained her composure. I'm wondering if this is a morphogenetic field thing, but I'm just really hoping that this isn't pulling a VLR where jarring shifts in individual ideology are just done on a whim.
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KCF0107
01/21/18 10:31:51 PM
#164:


Revised Zerometer

Carlos - Sizzling
Diana - Heated
Phi - Temperate
Junpei - Temperate
Q - Temperate
Akane - Frigid
Eric - Frigid
Mira - Frigid
Sigma - Absolute Zero
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KCF0107
01/21/18 11:06:39 PM
#165:


KCF0107 posted...
First Come, First Saved D
- D needs to refrain from pressing switch

Fire (D)
- Pull trigger until I shoot a blank

Anthropic Principle (C)
- Roll all 1s, which you guys are saying will happen if I give it a few more attempts

I need to do these, plus I saw that a new fragment has opened up for Q team.
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foolm0r0n
01/21/18 11:51:09 PM
#166:


Your theories are... complex
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KCF0107
01/21/18 11:58:15 PM
#167:


And yet they usually do not end up as complex as the truth

I also just saw that part of Diana's analysis was cut off, but that is lost forever.
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Eerieka
01/22/18 2:35:55 AM
#168:


Did you flip your Zerometer scale to where Absolute Zero now means "not Zero"?
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KCF0107
01/22/18 3:04:00 AM
#169:


Absolute Zero I realize is a confusing play-on within this game. I hopefully will do another Zerometer update before I finish the game, so I will make sure to do Absolute(ly not) Zero next time
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Zyxyz0
01/22/18 3:04:59 AM
#170:


Shouldn't that be Absolute(ly not) Zero?
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KCF0107
01/22/18 3:09:57 AM
#171:


Corrected
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Eerieka
01/22/18 4:15:24 AM
#172:


I also realized that I'm a derp because when I read your first Zerometer, I thought you WERE playing on that phrase and so colder = more likely to be Zero and hotter = less likely. But now I went back and actually read what you said and realized that I just got my brain flipped somewhere. >_>
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Raka_Putra
01/22/18 4:25:56 AM
#173:


Turn around the chessboard.
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Eerieka
01/22/18 4:57:14 AM
#174:


I like your thinking, Raka. Yes, clearly that's what I was doing! *cough* >_>
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KCF0107
01/22/18 6:37:06 PM
#175:


C team, Anthropic Principle return

I failed on my second attempt, but the third came up all 1s. I could get behind Junpei only walking around doing his happy trot from this point forward. I didn't know what this fragment was named after, and I sort of understand it after they talked about it for like 10 minutes. Everyone on the other teams except Phi was dead. I checked to see if this was under the timeline where Diana shot a live bullet and later killed herself, and that appears to be the case. Akane slapped Junpei for wanting Phi dead, and the fragment ended.

D team, Fire return, again

It took four more attempts, but I finally shot a blank. Phi still chews out Diana and says that the ends do not justify the means. That's interesting as Phi seems like the kind of person who would believe that the ends do justify the means. I could have just pegged Phi incorrectly, but there's also the possibility of an internal thought shift via this being in a different timeline than VLR and also if there's any meaning behind that Twin X Pass deal.

Phi is also a natural redhead. From my experience with Japanese media, they tend to have parents and children share hair color more often than not, so combine that with the scene I called maternal with Diana hugging Phi, and maybe that ludicrous theory I sort of had where Diana was Phi's mom is gaining a little traction.
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KCF0107
01/22/18 6:37:52 PM
#176:


I now have new fragments to do for Q and C team as well as not press the button in First Come, First Saved (D).
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MrSmartGuy
01/22/18 6:58:53 PM
#177:


You are guaranteed to get 1's on the third try.
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Raka_Putra
01/22/18 7:03:43 PM
#178:


Or maybe Diana is Phi's older twin sister.
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tcaz2
01/22/18 7:51:49 PM
#179:


MrSmartGuy posted...
You are guaranteed to get 1's on the third try.

As a note, however, you are not guaranteed to NOT get 1's on the first and second try.

It's entirely possible to get it on the first try, just stupidly unlikely!
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KCF0107
01/23/18 1:12:55 AM
#180:


I went back to not drink the antidote during the Fire fragment and not press the button in First Come, First Served: D. Nothing of interest happened in either, but a new fragment has opened up for all the teams, making a grand total of five new fragments to choose from. I first went with Q team, first column, second fragment from the top.

Reality

Only Q left after finding out this took place during the Radical-6/Suppression timeline where a cloaked person took out D team and Mira stabbed Q and Eric after Eric opened up about his past. I guess Q didn't die, which further suggests they are inorganic. The white room that Gab was chained in during First Come, First Saved is the Quantum Computer Dome. Zero is there in person, and much of the mystery surrounding Q has been revealed.

Q is not human as they show his many copies displaying inhuman strength for a person that size. Q is also technically not an assistant, but I guess you can also make an argument that he is. I lot of my observations and suspicions about Q are turning out to be true, but Q is apparently modeled after a boy named Sean, which Zero remarked was his real name. Maybe I can use that for the fourth option in Triangle as they asked me for Q's real name.

I can press the button and have my consciousness or whatever duplicated in virtual form or I can not press it and suffer an immediate death, if I interpreted Zero correctly. Uh, no death please? As Sean 729, I had two options, but they didn't give me the choices on screen. I had to look at the flowchart and randomly choose one of the unlabeled options shown there. I chose the left one, and I am kicking myself for having it never cross my mind that Sean/Q was the boy who died in surgery because the surgeon died in the crash.

Killer = Mira
Victim = Eric's Mom
Accused = ?
Surgeon = ?
Taxi Driver = ?
Patient = Q

After seeing the image of a dining room that looks exactly like the one from Eric's memory, I am convinced that the game is just recycling those memory still images for budget and not plot reasons.

Happy End
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Raka_Putra
01/23/18 1:18:35 AM
#181:


Super Zero Time Dilemma 2: Goodbye Escape Facility
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KCF0107
01/23/18 1:27:33 AM
#182:


C team, first-ish column, fourth fragment from top

Force Quit: C

No casualties, so this must take place during the First Come, First Saved timeline where nobody pressed the button. I must admit that I forgot about the box until now. Yeah, I definitely don't know the code, so I'm assuming that it would be useless to do the remaining new fragments for the other teams as they are probably the same thing.

Q team, Reality return

I decided to not press the button this time, and Q was fried. Moving on, I chose the other option after pressing the button. Sean met an older man at the hospital who was enamored with Sean due to the Sean's "extraordinary gift" and voiced his intention of violating child labor laws by offering him work once he wasn't sick. Or perhaps it was cruel joke as he really knew the boy would die. Zero's really sounding like he is either the old man in that story or future Sean in an alternate timeline because I guess whatever they talked about regarding Sean's mystery dream resulted in that quantum computer.

Now they never talked about what year this all occurred in, but if Sean really is the sick paitent from the snail story, then that hurts my Carlos is Zero theory despite the circumstances making total sense as Carlos' sister could have been in the hospital at that time if she was still suffering from Reverie Syndrome or had long-term health issues relating to it or its treatment.

Anyway, I was given an 8 digit code. I was wondering if this was used for the Door of Truth, Force Quit box (that might have been letters only though), or Q's head, but that was answered quickly as Q started typing it in his helmet. That doesn't necessarily mean that won't be used for the Door of Truth. It didn't really come as a surprise that he doesn't actually have a head.
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KCF0107
01/23/18 1:31:25 AM
#183:


I put in Q for Triangle again to make sure that they would ask for Q's real name. They did, so I put in Sean, but I was given an error message. That was odd, but I moved on.

C team, first column, second fragment

Ambidex

In a nuclear reactor room, Carlos reveals that his sister should be 22 years old now. I suppose that he could be the type of older sibling that isn't much older but acts like they are from a completely different generation. Carlos did act like there was a significant age gap, but maybe that stemmed from being forced to be a father figure as well.

Yessssss! I still had at least one more escape room to go through! I stopped there though.
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foolm0r0n
01/23/18 1:44:03 AM
#184:


Come onnn ending
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KCF0107
01/23/18 2:36:13 PM
#185:


Looking at the flowchart, it doesn't appear that I am that close to finishing the game unless you meant fragment ending.
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MrSmartGuy
01/23/18 2:37:19 PM
#186:


It's a very good fragment.
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01/23/18 2:41:50 PM
#187:


He definitely meant the ending to that fragment.
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foolm0r0n
01/23/18 6:02:59 PM
#188:


Wait is that even the fragment I'm thinking of?
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jacko_vdz
01/24/18 8:25:11 PM
#189:


This game was pretty great.
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KCF0107
01/25/18 8:44:35 PM
#190:


I have a lengthy update that I should be able to post in a few hours. My emotions were all over the place in what I experienced
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KCF0107
01/26/18 1:03:56 AM
#191:


Carlos telling Akane straight to her face that her cute act is creepy is one of my favorite moments so far. Too bad it wasn't voiced and Akane didn't give a response. How on earth did she manage to get herself shocked? I would have assumed that she was one of the most careful characters in the game. Almost immediately after, I received a trophy that stated all quests were finished, so that's the last of the escape rooms? I'm not sure how that will sit with me if I have plenty of time left to go and minimal amounts of player interaction. I should remember to do a full ranking of escape rooms since my last was after something like six of them.

Ambidex Game within the Decision Game? I mean, the fragment did suggest that was going to happen, but I thought it would be modified into something more than what followed. The door leading out of here won't open until either Carlos or Junpei gets to 9 BP. Obviously allying twice is best for everyone as Carlos and Junpei's lives are also tied to Diana, Sigma, Phi, and Akane. I'm going to vote ally, but I'm about 80% sure that Junpei will betray because of Akane's stake in this and the final look he gave before voting. Yep.

Nothing new opened up, so I went back and chose betray this time. Much like VLR, the characters switched votes, and Carlos demonstrates that he has SHIFTing powers. Unfortunately, Akane went completely psycho. Good god, that was almost as brutal as people being showered with hydrofluoric acid. That was kind of bullshit though since she probably should have been hit with the muscle relaxer the same time as Junpei.

Once again, nothing new opened up, so I went back to the same point at the decision tree. This time, that freaky blue light from when Carlos decided to stay behind in whatever fragment that was (First Come, First Saved?) came down again. After a Back to the Future talk, I was told that SHIFTing and the morphogenetic field are essentially the same thing. I guess I can refer to it always as SHIFTing then.
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KCF0107
01/26/18 1:21:12 AM
#192:


"You just need to accept that's what SHIFTing is" - Akane to Carlos
- Yeah okay pal, there is just no consistency to your emotional intelligence

I wonder if Carlos' housefire being the work of an arsonist is going to be important later. His sister also apparently has SHIFT powers. Aren't we going a little overboard with that? I didn't exactly understand why Akane insisted on bypassing doing the Ambidex game and attempt to force a SHIFT by making the reactor explode, especially given the earlier Back to the Future talk where SHIFTing could actually make you a murderer. I guess she is truly a psychopath.

A blue light must mean a SHIFT occurred, so I can stop being confused and freaked out by that. I still need to contextualize why SHIFTed Carlos chose to stay behind way back when. Junpei's plan for taking us to the dice roll where we didn't roll 1s was simultaneously insane and awesome. Carlos' reaction to hearing the ludicrous plan was totally spot-on. Ever more ridiculous was that the gatling guns should have gone off way before they actually did. I'm also not sure that no bullets should have hit Akane because that wasn't a particularly effective defensive formation. LMAO Akane calling Junpei horrible for his plan. If there was ever a pot calling kettle black moment...

After a long scene in which the takeaway is that Akane is a hypocrite, it was X Pass time. When it came time for the final one, Akane told me to use Carlos' Save. I thought I would be clever and use Junpei's Doll. Doll didn't work. Save didn't work. I was then forced to put in Doll again.
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KCF0107
01/26/18 1:36:33 AM
#193:


Even though Akane is the one with the severe mental health problems, it was Junpei that was the first to lose it and planned on killing himself somehow. Sean drone put an end to that (I'm not sure what rule C team violated) and intended on killing everyone. He should have totally killed Akane as he launched her into a brick wall where the back of her head made direction contact, but I guess we aren't going to let that get into the way of the plot now are we!

Carlos SHIFTed after the moment he laid a fatal blow on Akane in Suspicion. What a lucky guy. This does make something else make total sense. When Akane did that 180 in the timeline when Carlos chose to kill himself, maybe Akane had shifted offscreen. So those Sean drones do present another option for who killed Mira and Junpei in Pop Off and Suspicion respectively. They certainly aren't an option for D Team's massacre in Suppression.

A new portion of Q team's Pop Off fragment opened up after Eric did not kill Q. The family portrait was in the Pod Room, and it says Twins' Birthday. There doesn't seem to be a way to open it, so I wonder if the opposite side of it is the Door of Truth from D team. The signs of struggle from Mira's fingers suggest that her attacker had blood, so the Sean drones are no longer an option based on what we think are facts. It's not like I have any theories for that or Junpei's death either.

Next portion to open up was D team's Transporter after Diana and Sigma went to another timeline, and I regret everything. First thing first is that the balls from the bomb from outbreak, which I believe contained the explosive material were missing. They spent almost no time on that, but I'm guessing something huge will happen concerning that and the writers want to be able to say, "But we foreshadowed it!"
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KCF0107
01/26/18 1:53:33 AM
#194:


So Diana went on a rollercoaster of emotions that showed how imperfect she is. Taking the side that she is completely innocent in all of this (which as you know I wasn't on as this moment in the game) I don't blame her. She's basically in a prison that she doesn't know where or for what reason, and the only person there is basically a stranger. Things took a weird turn when Sigma revealed Diana's past of an abusive marriage, which also gives an alternative reason for why she didn't leave via the elevator in First Come, First Saved. This pretty much guarantees that Diana is the woman that Sigma spent a lot of time with and loved in a different timeline.

Things the took a horrible turn. Once disturbed Diana asked for sex, I had intense fears this was going to go down the Ever17 route and include contrived sex with significant plot implications. Then Sigma slapped Diana, and all was good. I SHOULD HAVE NEVER LET MY GUARD DOWN! My next fear was this was going to totally be Ever17 2.0 and that Diana was going to be pregnant with Phi from this. We seemed to be in the clear, so I once again let my guard down. NEVER AGAIN! Can this get any worse!

11/16/2029 (probably the password for the Door of Truth)

She had fucking twins. This is Ever17 all over again. When will this fragment end?! Normally, I would have been worried if this was going to take a sharp, dark turn after Sigma told Gab the food was gone, but I just wanted to get the hell out of that fragment. I guess they put Phi (officially revealed to be her at this point) and Delta in the transporter pods. Well, you know Delta is going to have a major role before long. I guess the worst possible one I can think of is that he was the cloaked killer of his parents and sister. I have a very, very bad feeling that I'm going to hate this game's ending the most in the trilogy.

D End 2
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DeathChicken
01/26/18 2:00:31 AM
#195:


That reminds me, once you hit the "ending" (you'll know what I mean), go back to the Archive files for more ending. Don't know why they'd make the epilogue so easy to miss
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Raka_Putra
01/26/18 2:02:54 AM
#196:


What kind of turn would make you hate the ending?
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KCF0107
01/26/18 2:08:57 AM
#197:


D team, Door of Truth return

The date of Phi and Delta's birth was the password, and as expected, this led straight to the Pod Room. Eric and Q were in pods but okay. Everyone else was in a pod and dead except Carlos. There was a team when Q or Eric asked where they came from. Sigma said there was no team to explain, but I'm sure it would take no more than two seconds to say, "Door!" and point in its direction.

Uh, SHIFTed Carlos is here in the lounge. That wasn't what I expected, and I have no explanation right now. I'm also concerned that Eric stayed behind in the pod room. He's totally going to go ape shit again isn't he...goddammit! Smooth move dropping the axe Carlos! Now everyone's life hangs in Eric's balance. Real talk though, if I was an unhinged person like Eric, I would probably have shot off the faces of those claiming to have transported and SHIFTed. He was holding a shotgun, so he probably couldn't have killed everyone if he wanted to, and assuming it wasn't reloaded from before Q team slept, it probably had at most one shell. I have absolutely no idea why Eric even complied with Diana's request that he shoot the wall.

After the steaming pile of crap sandwiched between now and C team's journey, I was totally on board with the twists that there was only ever one ward, the times were not the same for everyone, and everyone slept inside pods. Borrowing from VLR, D team used cards from Transporter Room to prevent themselves from going to sleep. I can only imagine the amount of confusion that is pouring through poor Eric's brain through all this.

It was also really neat to see that they completely changed the global flowchart to reflect this revelation. A new fragment opened up for C team, but I need to rest my brain after three intense sequences.
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Eerieka
01/26/18 2:10:33 AM
#198:


As much as I like to criticize parts of this game's plot, the ending with Sigma and Diana alone for nine months at the very least made me cry bitch tears.
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KCF0107
01/26/18 2:11:13 AM
#199:


Raka_Putra posted...
What kind of turn would make you hate the ending?

As I have stated, the overarching plot is not my concern when playing through these games, so I have little in the way of theories regarding it and thus have put not much thought to it. So to answer your question, I have absolutely no idea.
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foolm0r0n
01/26/18 3:01:07 PM
#200:


KCF0107 posted...
I have a very, very bad feeling that I'm going to hate this game's ending the most in the trilogy

I felt like this would be the case very early on based on your analyses

But now I kinda think you might like it
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