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Kaname_Madoka
01/11/18 12:23:14 PM
#51:


is this tails
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Sami1000
01/11/18 12:26:44 PM
#52:


MrNintendo1213 posted...
No one says anything about sex. It's gender.


Even if it isn't biological thing, and more about role or personality and such, i still find it fucking bullshit. Its just fucking snowflakes wanting to be special. We're all already special and unique in many ways, you don't need some fucking special title to make you feel above others or even more special.

Note that when i say "you" i don't mean you. i mean those special snowflakes, unless you're one of them then i actually mean you.
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chi_cab
01/11/18 12:27:58 PM
#53:


imagine being bothered that some people feel a certain way

i'm left wondering how this all affects you
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darkjedilink
01/11/18 12:30:01 PM
#54:


chi_cab posted...
imagine being bothered that some people feel a certain way

i'm left wondering how this all affects you

Because the day will come that calling someone 'sir' gets you arrested based on their feelings that day.
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REMercsChamp
01/11/18 12:30:01 PM
#55:


How is it nonsense?
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bulbinking
01/11/18 12:30:08 PM
#56:


chi_cab posted...
imagine being bothered that some people feel a certain way

i'm left wondering how this all affects you


I mean, people hate what racists think because its not factual to think how they do, right?

Isnt any decision or lifestyle based around ignorance potential dangerous to the individual or those around them?
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 12:31:33 PM
#57:


chi_cab posted...
imagine being bothered that some people feel a certain way

i'm left wondering how this all affects you


people throwing science out of the window is a problem...

and it's not just people talking about gender... dumb people are talking about sex as well... and the gender stuff is nonsense anyways...

get some common sense, brah.

are you hoping to pull a gender fluid/non-binary person with your white-knighting? we don't entertain bullshit like this for a reason.
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ThanksUglyGod
01/11/18 12:32:03 PM
#58:


darkjedilink posted...
chi_cab posted...
imagine being bothered that some people feel a certain way

i'm left wondering how this all affects you

Because the day will come that calling someone 'sir' gets you arrested based on their feelings that day.

Sure, just like the day will come when the sun will implode on itself.
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 12:32:40 PM
#59:


REMercsChamp posted...
How is it nonsense?


Because it's a fucking fad bruh...

You're not dumb, brah. You're a smart guy. I'm sure.
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chi_cab
01/11/18 12:37:43 PM
#60:


bulbinking posted...
Isnt any decision or lifestyle based around ignorance potential dangerous to the individual or those around them?

anecdote:

most transgender people I know and have talked to (i know quite a few) are VERY knowledgeable about what they are doing, or at least feel moreso than I. They could explain for days what they are doing and what it is doing and why they are doing it

it's what they believe is right for them, and to try and infringe upon that based on your arbitrary lines of disgust is downright unAmerican
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s0nicfan
01/11/18 12:39:31 PM
#61:


hollow_shrine posted...
s0nicfan posted...
I'm pretty sure most of the trans community also thinks its utter nonsense, because it completely undermines the argument for the need for surgery as a medical necessity.

How? The purpose of reassignment and cosmetic surgery is as much about eliminating societal friction by being able to better pass, as it is about trans people feeling at home in the own bodies. These things have nothing to do with one another.


Because if gender is fluid, it isn't biological. If it isn't biological, there isn't a medical need for a trans person to have the body they believe.
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bulbinking
01/11/18 12:39:51 PM
#62:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
darkjedilink posted...
chi_cab posted...
imagine being bothered that some people feel a certain way

i'm left wondering how this all affects you

Because the day will come that calling someone 'sir' gets you arrested based on their feelings that day.

Sure, just like the day will come when the sun will implode on itself.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/index.html

I used a "trusted source"

Also, some more digging at the time showed the individual in question had a crossdressing fetlife page with blog posts about getting off in public while dressing as women. So the person wasnt even a real trans and got this woman in trouble!

Planet fitness is trash anyway and so is anybody who goes there, but thats not the point.

You shouldnt be forcing people to break culturally universal social rules (even cross species) by allowing men and women to get naked together in public settings, and anti-discrimination laws will set up a future when you will have to do all your naked activities at home as everywhere else will be a safe-space where that woman at the ymca might flash a penis in the changing room without you being prepared for it.
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chi_cab
01/11/18 12:40:50 PM
#63:


s0nicfan posted...
Because if gender is fluid, it isn't biological.

you're going to have to explain this one
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s0nicfan
01/11/18 12:41:26 PM
#64:


chi_cab posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because if gender is fluid, it isn't biological.

you're going to have to explain this one


Burden of proof is on the person trying to claim the entirety of human history is wrong, not me.
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chi_cab
01/11/18 12:43:18 PM
#65:


s0nicfan posted...
chi_cab posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because if gender is fluid, it isn't biological.

you're going to have to explain this one


Burden of proof is on the person trying to claim the entirety of human history is wrong, not me.

you're the one making outlandish logical jumps

"if gender, a product of the BRAIN'S inner mechanism, is fluid, then it's not biological"

that doesn't make any sense
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KazumaKiryu
01/11/18 12:44:52 PM
#66:


The non-binary stuff seems to be based on the idea that every man and every woman are identical in personality, and if you're at all different then you're not really of that gender, you're something in between. Which is just completely ridiculous and stupid.
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s0nicfan
01/11/18 12:45:39 PM
#67:


chi_cab posted...
"if gender, a product of the BRAIN'S inner mechanism, is fluid, then it's not biological"


That is an astonishingly bad interpretation of what I said. My point is "gender, a product of the BRAIN'S inner mechanism" ISN'T fluid BECAUSE its biological.
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ThanksUglyGod
01/11/18 12:45:50 PM
#68:


http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/index.html
She returned to the gym Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday "to get the word out" to other women that they "let men in the women's locker room," she said.
"Every day I said 'just so you know, there's a man they allow in this locker room and they don't tell you that when you sign up,' " she said.
The next day, she found out that her membership had been canceled.


Sounds like this is what got her membership cancelled, which is fair, next imo
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hollow_shrine
01/11/18 12:46:15 PM
#69:


chi_cab posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because if gender is fluid, it isn't biological.

you're going to have to explain this one

Gender expression is social and psychological. It's related to but not prescribed by sex. This entire discussion is predicated on our ability and willingness to appreciate the difference and be mindful with our terminology. But that's hardly the issue here, this whole topic's viability is contingent on all debating parties contributing to the discussion in good faith. And that is obviously not present.
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DragonGirlYuki
01/11/18 12:53:48 PM
#70:


I found it amusing how one student trolled the university pronoun policy by requesting to be called "his majesty". It shows how ridiculous it is.
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bulbinking
01/11/18 12:54:41 PM
#71:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/index.html
She returned to the gym Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday "to get the word out" to other women that they "let men in the women's locker room," she said.
"Every day I said 'just so you know, there's a man they allow in this locker room and they don't tell you that when you sign up,' " she said.
The next day, she found out that her membership had been canceled.


Sounds like this is what got her membership cancelled, which is fair, next imo


Yep.

Completely fair to have a rape survivor try going to her "safe space" gym as working out around men makes her feel uncomfortable, just to have a penis in her face after showing from her workout without ANY warnings.

That is SOOOOOOOOOO fair.

Next I bet you are going to say we should allow "adult babies" in kindergarten and bar any parents that feel their children might not be safe.
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 1:12:39 PM
#72:


hollow_shrine posted...
chi_cab posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because if gender is fluid, it isn't biological.

you're going to have to explain this one

Gender expression is social and psychological. It's related to but not prescribed by sex. This entire discussion is predicated on our ability and willingness to appreciate the difference and be mindful with our terminology. But that's hardly the issue here, this whole topic's viability is contingent on all debating parties contributing to the discussion in good faith. And that is obviously not present.


so we're supposed to show good faith towards made up, hippy-dippy bullshit? if i think something is ridiculous and silly... i'm going to say that

you want me to entertain that shit in a polite manner for the sake of political correctness

to entertain it would lend credence to it.. and I'M NOT ABOUT TO DO THAT
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Darklit_Minuet
01/11/18 2:02:04 PM
#73:


Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
It does harm other people... I've already given you examples of that. If you don't adhere to this general neutral pronoun shit, you can potentially lose your job.

Being a dick to others can lose you your job. This has always been a thing. If someone legally gets their name changed from Frank to Bob and you keep referring to them as Frank and they complain to your boss about it, the boss might fire you for not playing well with others or harassing customers.

Posting something inappropriate on facebook or twitter can lose you your job.

Arguing with a customer for any reason can lose you your job.

Donating to a certain charity can lose you your job.

Hell, the boss not liking the color of your fucking tie can lose you your job in most states.

Let me rephrase - I don't get how this is any different from any of the other thousands of bullshit things that can lose you your job


I'm sorry... you are just... not smart AT ALL

how are you comparing names to some made-up hippy-dippy bullshit?

Can you actually respond to the question?

How is this any different from the thousands of other bullshit reasons you can lose your job?
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 2:09:06 PM
#74:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
It does harm other people... I've already given you examples of that. If you don't adhere to this general neutral pronoun shit, you can potentially lose your job.

Being a dick to others can lose you your job. This has always been a thing. If someone legally gets their name changed from Frank to Bob and you keep referring to them as Frank and they complain to your boss about it, the boss might fire you for not playing well with others or harassing customers.

Posting something inappropriate on facebook or twitter can lose you your job.

Arguing with a customer for any reason can lose you your job.

Donating to a certain charity can lose you your job.

Hell, the boss not liking the color of your fucking tie can lose you your job in most states.

Let me rephrase - I don't get how this is any different from any of the other thousands of bullshit things that can lose you your job


I'm sorry... you are just... not smart AT ALL

how are you comparing names to some made-up hippy-dippy bullshit?

Can you actually respond to the question?

How is this any different from the thousands of other bullshit reasons you can lose your job?


like i said... you don't appear to be that bright when you ask questions like

"why would it be an issue putting all this made-up shit on the census?"

no critical thinking skills.

answering my questions with questions.
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Vyrulisse
01/11/18 2:15:02 PM
#75:


bulbinking posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/index.html
She returned to the gym Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday "to get the word out" to other women that they "let men in the women's locker room," she said.
"Every day I said 'just so you know, there's a man they allow in this locker room and they don't tell you that when you sign up,' " she said.
The next day, she found out that her membership had been canceled.


Sounds like this is what got her membership cancelled, which is fair, next imo


Yep.

Completely fair to have a rape survivor try going to her "safe space" gym as working out around men makes her feel uncomfortable, just to have a penis in her face after showing from her workout without ANY warnings.

That is SOOOOOOOOOO fair.

Next I bet you are going to say we should allow "adult babies" in kindergarten and bar any parents that feel their children might not be safe.

I'll never get past their statement on it:

"Planet Fitness is committed to creating a nonintimidating, welcoming environment for our members.


Guess giving this woman a nonintimidating and welcoming environment didn't make the cut.
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Darklit_Minuet
01/11/18 2:53:26 PM
#76:


Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
It does harm other people... I've already given you examples of that. If you don't adhere to this general neutral pronoun shit, you can potentially lose your job.

Being a dick to others can lose you your job. This has always been a thing. If someone legally gets their name changed from Frank to Bob and you keep referring to them as Frank and they complain to your boss about it, the boss might fire you for not playing well with others or harassing customers.

Posting something inappropriate on facebook or twitter can lose you your job.

Arguing with a customer for any reason can lose you your job.

Donating to a certain charity can lose you your job.

Hell, the boss not liking the color of your fucking tie can lose you your job in most states.

Let me rephrase - I don't get how this is any different from any of the other thousands of bullshit things that can lose you your job


I'm sorry... you are just... not smart AT ALL

how are you comparing names to some made-up hippy-dippy bullshit?

Can you actually respond to the question?

How is this any different from the thousands of other bullshit reasons you can lose your job?


like i said... you don't appear to be that bright when you ask questions like

"why would it be an issue putting all this made-up shit on the census?"

no critical thinking skills.

answering my questions with questions.

So you have no answer and will keep resorting to ad hominem attacks

Got it
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:00:34 PM
#77:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
It does harm other people... I've already given you examples of that. If you don't adhere to this general neutral pronoun shit, you can potentially lose your job.

Being a dick to others can lose you your job. This has always been a thing. If someone legally gets their name changed from Frank to Bob and you keep referring to them as Frank and they complain to your boss about it, the boss might fire you for not playing well with others or harassing customers.

Posting something inappropriate on facebook or twitter can lose you your job.

Arguing with a customer for any reason can lose you your job.

Donating to a certain charity can lose you your job.

Hell, the boss not liking the color of your fucking tie can lose you your job in most states.

Let me rephrase - I don't get how this is any different from any of the other thousands of bullshit things that can lose you your job


I'm sorry... you are just... not smart AT ALL

how are you comparing names to some made-up hippy-dippy bullshit?

Can you actually respond to the question?

How is this any different from the thousands of other bullshit reasons you can lose your job?


like i said... you don't appear to be that bright when you ask questions like

"why would it be an issue putting all this made-up shit on the census?"

no critical thinking skills.

answering my questions with questions.

So you have no answer and will keep resorting to ad hominem attacks

Got it


What's your question? Say it again...

You have no answer to my shit, brah.... don't try and act like it's the other way around.
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darkjedilink
01/11/18 3:01:54 PM
#78:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
It does harm other people... I've already given you examples of that. If you don't adhere to this general neutral pronoun shit, you can potentially lose your job.

Being a dick to others can lose you your job. This has always been a thing. If someone legally gets their name changed from Frank to Bob and you keep referring to them as Frank and they complain to your boss about it, the boss might fire you for not playing well with others or harassing customers.

Posting something inappropriate on facebook or twitter can lose you your job.

Arguing with a customer for any reason can lose you your job.

Donating to a certain charity can lose you your job.

Hell, the boss not liking the color of your fucking tie can lose you your job in most states.

Let me rephrase - I don't get how this is any different from any of the other thousands of bullshit things that can lose you your job


I'm sorry... you are just... not smart AT ALL

how are you comparing names to some made-up hippy-dippy bullshit?

Can you actually respond to the question?

How is this any different from the thousands of other bullshit reasons you can lose your job?

There isn't anyone proposing legislation to keep you from calling someone a dipshit.
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:02:36 PM
#79:


Okay...

How is this any different from the thousands of other bulls*** reasons you can lose your job?

Because it's made-up hippy-dippy bullshit... that's why.

What is NOT CLEAR about that answer? You're either a male or a female... the exceptions being medical conditions. People DEMANDING that you use general neutral pronouns is dumb. That's language police shit... on a ridiculous level.

You still confused? Of course you are. You couldn't even use you brain to think about why it would be a problem for made-up shit to be on a census.
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lderivedx
01/11/18 3:04:32 PM
#80:


"You're either male or female, except if you're not."

Solid fucking answer
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Kaname_Madoka
01/11/18 3:04:41 PM
#81:


Via_Negativa posted...
made-up hippy-dippy bulls***

Why the fuck do you keep repeating this phrase?
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:06:18 PM
#82:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
made-up hippy-dippy bulls***

Why the fuck do you keep repeating this phrase?


Cause it's true.

Like... why I do keep calling something bullshit? Cause it's bullshit.

I don't need to change the description of it cause you're butthurt about me repeating myself for effect.
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lderivedx
01/11/18 3:06:28 PM
#83:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
made-up hippy-dippy bulls***

Why the fuck do you keep repeating this phrase?


Because he's here to state his opinion.
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voldothegr8
01/11/18 3:07:00 PM
#84:


Why no poll?
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:07:28 PM
#85:


lderivedx posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
made-up hippy-dippy bulls***

Why the fuck do you keep repeating this phrase?


Because he's here to state his opinion, not have a discussion.


A discussion lends credence....

You tryna' land a date with somebody in the grey area or what? Sure seems like half you goofballs think that way.
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Kaname_Madoka
01/11/18 3:09:59 PM
#86:


What an odd conclusion.
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Darklit_Minuet
01/11/18 3:10:38 PM
#87:


Via_Negativa posted...
How is this any different from the thousands of other bulls*** reasons you can lose your job?

Because it's made-up hippy-dippy bullshit... that's why.

If I make up a new name and get my name legally changed to it, I can get you fired if you keep going by my old name
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:11:49 PM
#88:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
What an odd conclusion.


What is?

*makes vague statement... walks away*

What conclusion do you have a problem with? The reason I gave to you as to why I keep repeating the phrase?
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:12:24 PM
#89:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
How is this any different from the thousands of other bulls*** reasons you can lose your job?

Because it's made-up hippy-dippy bullshit... that's why.

If I make up a new name and get my name legally changed to it, I can get you fired if you keep going by my old name


So, you see no difference between names and this gender neutral pronoun bullshit?

That explains it.
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Kaname_Madoka
01/11/18 3:12:36 PM
#90:


Via_Negativa posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
What an odd conclusion.


What is?

*makes vague statement... walks away*

What conclusion do you have a problem with? The reason I gave to you as to why I keep repeating the phrase?

Assuming that defending someone means you want in their pants. Projection?
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Steelix500
01/11/18 3:13:01 PM
#91:


It is nonsense
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Darklit_Minuet
01/11/18 3:14:28 PM
#92:


Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
How is this any different from the thousands of other bulls*** reasons you can lose your job?

Because it's made-up hippy-dippy bullshit... that's why.

If I make up a new name and get my name legally changed to it, I can get you fired if you keep going by my old name


So, you see no difference between names and this gender neutral pronoun bullshit?

That explains it.

It's shit I made up. How is making up shit any different from making up shit?

I can complain to your boss for any kind of made up bullshit reason, and get you fired
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:15:25 PM
#93:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
What an odd conclusion.


What is?

*makes vague statement... walks away*

What conclusion do you have a problem with? The reason I gave to you as to why I keep repeating the phrase?

Assuming that defending someone means you want in their pants. Projection?


Yeah... that's called funny shit that people laugh at....

like... the fact i said "with somebody in the grey area" was a funny... cause it's ridiculous
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lderivedx
01/11/18 3:15:35 PM
#94:


Harassing people is okay as long as I don't think it's harassment.
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:17:07 PM
#95:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
How is this any different from the thousands of other bulls*** reasons you can lose your job?

Because it's made-up hippy-dippy bullshit... that's why.

If I make up a new name and get my name legally changed to it, I can get you fired if you keep going by my old name


So, you see no difference between names and this gender neutral pronoun bullshit?

That explains it.

It's shit I made up. How is making up shit any different from making up shit?

I can complain to your boss for any kind of made up bullshit reason, and get you fired


You can, but if an employer choose to act on bullshit complaints to fire you, said employer can face legal ramifications.

You are naive and seemingly clueless about the world.

You lack life experience. Are you even employed?
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not__shawn__z
01/11/18 3:19:31 PM
#96:


It's completely nonsensical. I feel bad for this new loony tunes generation
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:22:03 PM
#97:


not__shawn__z posted...
It's completely nonsensical. I feel bad for this new loony tunes generation


word...

this guy here... i'm with him... it's loony bin shit
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Kaname_Madoka
01/11/18 3:22:43 PM
#98:


Via_Negativa posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
What an odd conclusion.


What is?

*makes vague statement... walks away*

What conclusion do you have a problem with? The reason I gave to you as to why I keep repeating the phrase?

Assuming that defending someone means you want in their pants. Projection?


Yeah... that's called funny shit that people laugh at....

like... the fact i said "with somebody in the grey area" was a funny... cause it's ridiculous

Are you intoxicated
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Via_Negativa
01/11/18 3:23:50 PM
#99:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Via_Negativa posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
What an odd conclusion.


What is?

*makes vague statement... walks away*

What conclusion do you have a problem with? The reason I gave to you as to why I keep repeating the phrase?

Assuming that defending someone means you want in their pants. Projection?


Yeah... that's called funny shit that people laugh at....

like... the fact i said "with somebody in the grey area" was a funny... cause it's ridiculous

Are you intoxicated


it's... a joke...

you don't know what i mean by "grey area," do you? *sigh*
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darkjedilink
01/11/18 3:32:35 PM
#100:


lderivedx posted...
Harassing people is okay as long as I don't think it's harassment.

People don't know what harassment is anymore - a poll suggests 20% of Americans think asking someone out for drinks is sexual harassment.
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