Poll of the Day > Trump derides protections for immigrants from 'shithole' countries.

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WastelandCowboy
01/11/18 9:38:46 PM
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President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.

Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.

Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday. The president, according to a White House official, also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt they help the United States economically.

In addition, the president singled out Haiti, telling lawmakers that immigrants from that country must be left out of any deal, these people said.

Why do we need more Haitians? Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. Take them out.

Lawmakers were taken aback by the comments, according to people familiar with their reactions. Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) had proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and then prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.

A White House spokesman defended Trumps position on immigration without directly addressing his remarks. White House officials did not dispute the account.

[200,000 Salvadorans may be forced to leave the U.S. as Trump ends immigration protection]

Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people, spokesman Raj Shah said in a statement issued after The Washington Post first reported Trumps remarks. . . . Like other nations that have merit-based immigration, President Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation.

Trump built his candidacy and presidency around hard stances on immigration, vowing to build a wall along the Mexican border and cut legal immigration by half, among other positions. Officials at the Department of Homeland Security have increased immigration raids, including dozens this week at convenience stores across the country.

Trumps comments Thursday also put further scrutiny on his long-standing tendency to make racially charged remarks including attacks on protesting black athletes and his claim that there were fine people on both sides after neo-Nazis rioted in Charlottesville, Va. Trump falsely claimed for years that Barack Obama was not born in the United States and took out advertisements calling for the death penalty for members of the Central Park Five four black youths and a Hispanic youth who were accused of a brutal rape in New York and later exonerated.

The presidents remarks were quickly met with scorn from Democrats and some Republicans and could throw another wrench into bipartisan discussions on immigration, which had shown promise in recent days, according to legislators.

Rep. Luis Gutirrez (D-Ill.) said the comments will shake the confidence that people have in the ongoing immigration policy talks.

Democrats and Republicans in the Senate made a proposal. The answer is this racist outburst of the president. How can you take him seriously? Gutirrez said. They [Republicans] dont believe in immigration its always been about people of color and keeping them out of this country.

Rep. Cedric L. Richmond (D-La.), chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said on Twitter that Trumps remarks are further proof that his Make America Great Again Agenda is really a Make America White Again agenda.
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WastelandCowboy
01/11/18 9:39:01 PM
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Some Republicans also raised objections. Rep. Mia Love (R-Utah), whose family is from Haiti, said in a statement that Trumps remarks were unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nations values. This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation.

My grandmother used to say, Digame con quin caminas, y te dir quin eres. Tell me who you walk with, and Ill tell you who you are, said Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.), who represents most of Harlem and is an immigrant from the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. If hes walking around with white supremacists and supporting them, this kind of talk doesnt surprise me.

The New York Times also reported last year that Trump said immigrants from Haiti have AIDS. The White House denied that report.

Democrats were quick to note that Trump employs Haitians at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida and that he praised Haitian Americans during a roundtable in Miami in September.

Whether you vote for me or dont vote for me, I really want to be your greatest champion, and I will be your champion, Trump said at the roundtable.

Alix Desulme, a city council member in North Miami, home to thousands of Haitian Americans, said the presidents latest remarks were disgusting.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God Jesus, Desulme said. I dont know how much worse it can get.

This is very alarming. We know hes not presidential, but this is a low, he said. Its disheartening that someone who is the leader of the free world would use such demeaning language to talk about other folks, referring to folks of color.

Trumps critics also said racially incendiary language could damage relationships with foreign allies.

For many of Trumps supporters, however, the comments may not prove to be particularly damaging. Trump came under fire from conservatives this week for seeming to suggest that he would be open to a comprehensive immigration reform deal without money for a border wall, before he quickly backtracked.

Hes trying to win me back, conservative author Ann Coulter, who has called for harsh limits on immigration, wrote on Twitter.

Outlining a potential bipartisan deal, the lawmakers discussed restoring protections for countries that have been removed from the temporary protected status (TPS) program while committing $1.5 billion for a border wall and making changes to the visa lottery system. Lawmakers mentioned that members of the Congressional Black Caucus had requested that some African countries be included in a deal, according to a White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private conversation.

The exchange was salty on all sides, this person said, with the president growing profane and animated while discussing immigrants from other countries. It did not go well, this person said.

[Trump wants to remove these immigrants. An ugly bit of history tells us what it could do to the economy.]

The administration announced this week that it was removing TPS status for citizens of El Salvador.

Trump had seemed amenable to a deal earlier in the day during phone calls with lawmakers, aides said, but shifted his position in the meeting and did not seem interested in the bipartisan compromise.

The scene played out hurriedly in the morning. Graham and Durbin thought they would be meeting with Trump alone and were surprised to find immigration hard-liners such as Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) at the meeting. White House and Capitol Hill aides say Stephen Miller, the presidents top immigration official, was concerned there could be a deal proposed that was too liberal and made sure conservative lawmakers were present.
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NightShift
01/11/18 9:40:17 PM
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MannerSaurus
01/11/18 9:41:28 PM
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Sigh. I didn't want that corrupt fascist evil bitch Hillary as president, but this isn't any better. This was literally the worst election. It was like asking which leg I wanted chainsawed off. Is this really the best this country has to offer? Can we please start over with two new candidates?
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DevilSummoner1
01/11/18 9:42:38 PM
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Trump being a pos, nothing new.
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Lokarin
01/11/18 9:43:12 PM
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Why do we need more Haitians? Trump said



Ehh, that's not the point of relief.
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myghostisdead
01/11/18 9:43:42 PM
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MannerSaurus posted...
Sigh. I didn't want that corrupt fascist evil bitch Hillary as president, but this isn't any better. This was literally the worst election. It was like asking which leg I wanted chainsawed off. Is this really the best this country has to offer? Can we please start over with two new candidates?


That is the way I felt. The candidates were a joke and I kept thinking "Is this really the best we can find to run? Damn..."
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NightShift
01/11/18 9:49:29 PM
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"why we got all these blacks. why cant we have more whites."

also why would Norwegians want to come here?Norway is markedly better in everyway except money spent on killing devices. i mean seriously. the USA is a third world country outside of city centers. the UN just sent investigators into Alabama to investigate the poor living conditions
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MannerSaurus
01/11/18 9:52:57 PM
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NightShift posted...
"why we got all these blacks. why cant we have more whites."

also why would Norwegians want to come here?Norway is markedly better in everyway except money spent on killing devices. i mean seriously. the USA is a third world country outside of city centers. the UN just sent investigators into Alabama to investigate the poor living conditions


The USA isn't anywhere close to a third world country. There are problems, and there is poverty, but the actual scale difference between the USA and actual third world countries isn't even close. The other comments you made are subjective, and I won't argue them, but objectively you aren't even in the ball park for realism on what a third-world country is.
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Lokarin
01/11/18 9:54:16 PM
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MannerSaurus posted...
for realism on what a third-world country is


Especially since the literal definition of first world country is America... even if America had the worst living condition on the planet, it'd still be the first world country.
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Zeus
01/11/18 9:54:50 PM
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To be fair, we should be prioritizing immigration. Other nations already do it. Hell, China has a whole ranking system for it. It's a *really* small way to improve the direction of the country as a whole.

Granted, if you're middle-class, you're better off with immigrants from shithole countries than you are with immigrants from comparable, first-world nations because you aren't competing with the former for jobs. It mostly just fucks over the most vulnerable citizens, like low-skilled workers.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Some Republicans also raised objections. Rep. Mia Love (R-Utah), whose family is from Haiti, said in a statement that Trumps remarks were unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nations values. This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation.


Uh oh, spaghetti-o!

MannerSaurus posted...
Sigh. I didn't want that corrupt fascist evil bitch Hillary as president, but this isn't any better. This was literally the worst election. It was like asking which leg I wanted chainsawed off. Is this really the best this country has to offer? Can we please start over with two new candidates?


None of the candidates running were all that appealing. Jim Webb and John Kasich were probably the two least offensive candidates, but their big selling point was that they were the only ones not pushing extremes.
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TheCyborgNinja
01/11/18 9:57:03 PM
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lol!!!!!

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NightShift
01/11/18 9:59:53 PM
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lol. its ok to admit things you like are fucked up. just to ignore the established fact on living standards of first world countries.

failing infrastructure. yup
contaminated water air and soil. check
a wealthy upper echelon leaching the population. yup
Authoritative and police abuse. yup
rampant drug abuse. again check
bottom teir education and health care (unless you rich) yup.
large groups of viloent people. yup

if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help
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TheCyborgNinja
01/11/18 10:04:45 PM
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The biggest irony to me is that America was founded on the backs of people Europe cast off when it was still objectively unpleasant to live in... English Puritans, the Irish, Sicilians, Germans tired of constant war, etc...
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MannerSaurus
01/11/18 10:08:46 PM
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NightShift posted...

if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help


I'm not sure what bubble you're imagining, but I'm not in one. You just don't know what a third-world country is.

And what the hell does my wife have to do with this? That sentence doesn't even make sense. Are you implying I should be dead?
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Jen0125
01/11/18 10:10:49 PM
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donald trump is a shithole
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TheCyborgNinja
01/11/18 10:12:17 PM
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^Yeah, wtf... That was a pretty terrible thing to say, even by my standards.

Edit: Jen made my response make no sense, it was replying to MannerSaurus.
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TheCyborgNinja
01/11/18 10:16:09 PM
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NightShift posted...
"why we got all these blacks. why cant we have more whites."

also why would Norwegians want to come here?Norway is markedly better in everyway except money spent on killing devices. i mean seriously. the USA is a third world country outside of city centers. the UN just sent investigators into Alabama to investigate the poor living conditions

Americans will start moving to China in droves decades from now lol
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Zeus
01/11/18 10:29:50 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
lol!!!!!

5UaC5Wg


Totally using that.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
The biggest irony to me is that America was founded on the backs of people Europe cast off when it was still objectively unpleasant to live in... English Puritans, the Irish, Sicilians, Germans tired of constant war, etc...


Not as much as you'd think. While there were always some huddled masses, many of the prominent settlers were wealthy beforehand. And, by the standards of the day, those nations weren't shitholes either.

Contrary to what people try to promote, most of the world's shithole nations have remained pretty consistent for hundreds of years now.

MannerSaurus posted...
And what the hell does my wife have to do with this? That sentence doesn't even make sense. Are you implying I should be dead?


Unsurprising, given that the troll alt is connected to either Clark or Ziggi. Horrible shit to say, tbh. Too bad the mods here don't take stuff seriously.
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SushiSquid
01/11/18 10:39:34 PM
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NightShift posted...
if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help

Now tagged as Callous. This feels cruel.
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Cacciato
01/11/18 10:43:12 PM
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@NightShift posted...
lol. its ok to admit things you like are fucked up. just to ignore the established fact on living standards of first world countries.

failing infrastructure. yup
contaminated water air and soil. check
a wealthy upper echelon leaching the population. yup
Authoritative and police abuse. yup
rampant drug abuse. again check
bottom teir education and health care (unless you rich) yup.
large groups of viloent people. yup

if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help

Are you American?
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Andromicus
01/11/18 10:57:19 PM
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So is this okay behavior for a president?
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SkynyrdRocker
01/11/18 10:57:40 PM
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SushiSquid posted...
NightShift posted...
if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help

Now tagged as Callous. This feels cruel.

I tagged Nightshift as human garbage. Seemed more accurate.
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Jen0125
01/11/18 11:03:13 PM
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https://streamable.com/no6jt
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RoboXgp89
01/11/18 11:07:17 PM
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I don't want anymore people here
you guys realize that these immigrants come here and take your jobs right?
do you know how much easier it would be for nationals to find jobs if we just stopped letting people into this country?
I know people in construction and they say the same thing, 'why do you want me to hire illegals?' it'd be in their best interest to vote democrat and keep the non-taxable slave wages going
you say 'oh well who can't find jobs?' I've worked in factories and walked around on campus and let me tell you whites are going to be the minority soon
don't you know these peoples countries just get worse when all the wealthy smart people abandon it anyway?
I know these people help pay property taxes but come on gamefaqs
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RCtheWSBC
01/11/18 11:10:31 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
I don't want anymore people here
you guys realize that these immigrants come here and take your jobs right?

No one has taken my job except the person I hired and trained to replace me.
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Andromicus
01/11/18 11:13:15 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
I don't want anymore people here
you guys realize that these immigrants come here and take your jobs right?
do you know how much easier it would be for nationals to find jobs if we just stopped letting people into this country?
I know people in construction and they say the same thing, 'why do you want me to hire illegals?' it'd be in their best interest to vote democrat and keep the non-taxable slave wages going
you say 'oh well who can't find jobs?' I've worked in factories and walked around on campus and let me tell you whites are going to be the minority soon
don't you know these peoples countries just get worse when all the wealthy smart people abandon it anyway?
I know these people help pay property taxes but come on gamefaqs

Why are you so afraid of whites becoming the minority? Worried that you might get treated the way you treat them?
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RoboXgp89
01/11/18 11:14:22 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
I don't want anymore people here
you guys realize that these immigrants come here and take your jobs right?

No one has taken my job except the person I hired and trained to replace me.


i'm not talking about a 'job' though I'm literally talking about the job and skill itself not some position in a random business, I'm talking about a class of jobs to which high schoolers and college people have a hard time finding if they don't have a job consistently since 16
and tell me who wouldn't want higher wages?
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RoboXgp89
01/11/18 11:16:24 PM
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Andromicus posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...

Why are you so afraid of whites becoming the minority? Worried that you might get treated the way you treat them?


I don't treat them any differently then anyone else but to say that 1/10th of the economy needs to be allotted to people that just showed up on boats is baffling to me, those are YOUR jobs and YOUR wages playing the game of capitalism

would you say that jobs being sent overseas is a good thing? it's litterally the exact same thing I don't know how hard that is to grasp for you people
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Mead
01/11/18 11:24:28 PM
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SushiSquid posted...
NightShift posted...
if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help

Now tagged as Callous. This feels cruel.


Seriously what the fuck is up with that comment out of no where

You can disagree with a persons politics without being absolute scum about it
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Smarkil
01/11/18 11:26:31 PM
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NightShift posted...
lol. its ok to admit things you like are fucked up. just to ignore the established fact on living standards of first world countries.

failing infrastructure. yup
contaminated water air and soil. check
a wealthy upper echelon leaching the population. yup
Authoritative and police abuse. yup
rampant drug abuse. again check
bottom teir education and health care (unless you rich) yup.
large groups of viloent people. yup

if you havent had a chance to leave your bubble or objectivly at things then maybe your wife can help


lol who tf is this guy?
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Jen0125
01/11/18 11:27:38 PM
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i've never had anyone take my job
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Mead
01/11/18 11:28:23 PM
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I marked it with a short explanation to the mods of why it is such a twisted thing to say. I recommend others do the same
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MICHALECOLE
01/11/18 11:32:00 PM
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I wish Donald trump would get twilight zoned and wake up as an immigrant in Haiti
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Cacciato
01/11/18 11:40:02 PM
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Damn illegals. Coming here and taking jobs from doctors, physicists, cops, railroad conductors, economists, nurses, firefighters, teachers, and all those other positions that require educations and certifications! How dare they!
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GFqsGangster
01/11/18 11:59:48 PM
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Zeus posted...
To be fair, we should be prioritizing immigration. Other nations already do it. Hell, China has a whole ranking system for it. It's a *really* small way to improve the direction of the country as a whole.

Granted, if you're middle-class, you're better off with immigrants from shithole countries than you are with immigrants from comparable, first-world nations because you aren't competing with the former for jobs. It mostly just fucks over the most vulnerable citizens, like low-skilled workers.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Some Republicans also raised objections. Rep. Mia Love (R-Utah), whose family is from Haiti, said in a statement that Trumps remarks were unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nations values. This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation.


Uh oh, spaghetti-o!

MannerSaurus posted...
Sigh. I didn't want that corrupt fascist evil bitch Hillary as president, but this isn't any better. This was literally the worst election. It was like asking which leg I wanted chainsawed off. Is this really the best this country has to offer? Can we please start over with two new candidates?


None of the candidates running were all that appealing. Jim Webb and John Kasich were probably the two least offensive candidates, but their big selling point was that they were the only ones not pushing extremes.


I really wanted Jim Webb to make it. Damn I really hope that we can get back to having a normal politician in the whitehouse 2020
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WindMouseHanpan
01/12/18 12:03:21 AM
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Even for Trump, this was a really shocking thing to hear him say.
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Yellow
01/12/18 12:35:08 AM
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I'd just like to point out that Zeus was calling me racist for calling third world countries shitholes before Trump said it
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RCtheWSBC
01/12/18 12:37:53 AM
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Yellow posted...
I'd just like to point out that Zeus was calling me racist for calling third world countries shitholes before Trump said it

Lmao I remember that
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TheCyborgNinja
01/12/18 12:39:53 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
I wish Donald trump would get twilight zoned and wake up as an immigrant in Haiti

I know a guy who is extremely poor but otherwise identical to Trump. He'd learn nothing and just spout the same bigoted garbage.
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Mead
01/12/18 12:59:42 AM
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Yellow posted...
I'd just like to point out that Zeus was calling me racist for calling third world countries shitholes before Trump said it


Now he loves it though because his dad said it
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MICHALECOLE
01/12/18 1:34:46 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
I wish Donald trump would get twilight zoned and wake up as an immigrant in Haiti

I know a guy who is extremely poor but otherwise identical to Trump. He'd learn nothing and just spout the same bigoted garbage.

Well I think there is a difference between a trading places and a twilight zone body swap
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DiduXD
01/12/18 1:47:13 AM
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Trump is awesome.
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GunslingerGunsl
01/12/18 2:01:10 AM
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Not sure how this specific article would lead anyone to say that Trump is awesome.
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Qwert379
01/12/18 2:25:40 AM
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Gonna get hated for saying this

I see his point, getting immigrants that can contribute to the economy is far better than taking in immigrants who are just going to drain money out of the country

1-2 geniuses from Norway is far better than 200,000 immigrants that can't even read or speak english that are just going to be a burden
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NeoSioType
01/12/18 2:44:00 AM
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>Declare a humanitarian crisis
>Declare war on Haiti
>Completely destroy the government within a few hours
>Promise everybody free stuff to maintain order.
>Try to fix problems but realize much Haitian misfortune is by design
>???
>...Profit? Eh, maybe not.
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GFqsGangster
01/12/18 2:45:06 AM
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Qwert379 posted...
Gonna get hated for saying this

I see his point, getting immigrants that can contribute to the economy is far better than taking in immigrants who are just going to drain money out of the country

1-2 geniuses from Norway is far better than 200,000 immigrants that can't even read or speak english that are just going to be a burden


Still the most f***** racist and inappropriate behavior that a US president should not have much less display. It is simply inexcusable.
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Mead
01/12/18 2:57:55 AM
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Qwert379 posted...
Gonna get hated for saying this

I see his point, getting immigrants that can contribute to the economy is far better than taking in immigrants who are just going to drain money out of the country

1-2 geniuses from Norway is far better than 200,000 immigrants that can't even read or speak english that are just going to be a burden


The amount of historical ignorance in this view is staggering. Everything that makes America great was built on the backs of workers coming from other countries to make something better than what they were born into

If youre gonna try and say who should and should not be able to come to this country you should probably study the history of it a bit
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Qwert379
01/12/18 3:04:15 AM
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Mead posted...
Qwert379 posted...
Gonna get hated for saying this

I see his point, getting immigrants that can contribute to the economy is far better than taking in immigrants who are just going to drain money out of the country

1-2 geniuses from Norway is far better than 200,000 immigrants that can't even read or speak english that are just going to be a burden


The amount of historical ignorance in this view is staggering. Everything that makes America great was built on the backs of workers coming from other countries to make something better than what they were born into

If youre gonna try and say who should and should not be able to come to this country you should probably study the history of it a bit

When you have hundreds of thousands of refugees who will not make any effort to improve themselves and remain content on living on donations while breeding like rabbits you will change your tune

People who came to the USA all those years ago had the will to make something of themselves not laze around and parasite off others
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Mead
01/12/18 3:07:15 AM
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How about you provide an actual source for your claims instead of just insisting that it is true
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