Current Events > In 2015, Google Photos misidentified two black men as gorillas

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Google apologized, announced it was working on long-term fixes. But according to some tests conducted by WIRED, that long-term fix is still forthcoming. For now, Google Photos just plays at being blind. Inside Google Photos, a baboon is a baboon, but a monkey is not a monkey, writes senior business reporter Tom Simonite. Gorillas and chimpanzees are invisible. Even two years later, the tech giant still cant trust its algorithm to not seem like a racist jerk.

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Bump

Why are you race baiting using a story from 3 years ago?
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sigless user topic
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Link to photo?
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I fail to see how technology has racial bias.
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Why is technology so racist? First Kinect couldn't recognize black people, then smart cameras kept thinking that asian people were blinking in the photo, now this

Thanks Obama
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I mean, its just taking everything at face value, isnt it?
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BTW, Google's fix for this was simply removing "gorilla" from the terms its image search can use:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882408/google-racist-gorillas-photo-recognition-algorithm-ai
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Lol

I think the easiest fix for this would have been if Google claimed the algorithm was written by a black person
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eesh
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Scaramanga posted...

Link to photo?

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lol
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Lmfao
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Humans are great apes. Some times, computers are going to be wrong in recognition software.
Yes, racism is bad, yes, dehumanization is bad, but can we get to a place where we treat this objectively how an alien might or literally in this case, a computer does, and not become so fucking emotional about it?

I know, it's easy for someone to say when their race doesn't have the history or they personally haven't been subjected to that level of prejudice. But are we forever hamstrung by history?
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Also, TC, one of those men is a woman.
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MrBobGray posted...

I fail to see how technology has racial bias.

you don't see how an industry where the vast majority of the creators are white could be biased against other races?
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averagejoel posted...

MrBobGray posted...

I fail to see how technology has racial bias.

you don't see how an industry where the vast majority of the creators are white could be biased against other races?

You understand that photography and image recognition relies on light and contrast right?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

MrBobGray posted...

I fail to see how technology has racial bias.

you don't see how an industry where the vast majority of the creators are white could be biased against other races?

You understand that photography and image recognition relies on light and contrast right?

You are responding to an AverageJoel post.
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A topic right up Allen's alley

I know man, I've been baited into talking to him all fucking morning.
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averagejoel's argument is support of racism is literally "white people created it, therefore that is all the evidence I need."

Even though Google is one of the most diverse companies in the world...
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Jordan Peterson was losing his mind over Google's search algorithm the other day. It was good entertainment at least.

MrBobGray posted...

Also, TC, one of those men is a woman.

Youre a woman

i mean
there's no malicious intent in these
it's because the devs didn't set their parameters to include the TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups

this is no question
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Computer vision is hard. Not surprising, except to laymen apparently.
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chi_cab posted...

TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups

Yeah that's not how machine learning works.
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I actually read a fairly interesting article about how photography as a field does have an unintentional racial bias, because back in the early days of film they just flat out didn't bother to test it on people who weren't white. All early film development techniques were created around the premise of exclusively shooting white people. So theres still a little bit of that legacy alive, although its better than it used to be.
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luigi13579 posted...

Jordan Peterson was losing his mind over Google's search algorithm the other day. It was good entertainment at least.

What is so bad about him?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

chi_cab posted...

TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups

Yeah that's not how machine learning works.

how does this make what i said not true
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chi_cab posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

chi_cab posted...

TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups

Yeah that's not how machine learning works.

how does this make what i said not true

Actually this is essentially true. If the algorithm had the "TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups" it would be able to classify correctly.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

MrBobGray posted...

I fail to see how technology has racial bias.

you don't see how an industry where the vast majority of the creators are white could be biased against other races?

You understand that photography and image recognition relies on light and contrast right?

yes

and I also understand that the people who design image recognition systems are not perfect
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

MrBobGray posted...

I fail to see how technology has racial bias.

you don't see how an industry where the vast majority of the creators are white could be biased against other races?

You understand that photography and image recognition relies on light and contrast right?

I dont think he does.
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ItsYourFault posted...

MrBobGray posted...

Also, TC, one of those men is a woman.

Youre a woman

How DARE you
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MrBobGray posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

MrBobGray posted...

I fail to see how technology has racial bias.

you don't see how an industry where the vast majority of the creators are white could be biased against other races?

You understand that photography and image recognition relies on light and contrast right?

I dont think he does.

I would like to direct your attention to the post immediately preceding yours
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averagejoel posted...

I would like to direct your attention to the post immediately preceding yours

You don't get it, black people are darker, it's literally harder to pick up detail. This is a technical issue. You need the right dynamic range, especially in low light conditions.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

I would like to direct your attention to the post immediately preceding yours

You don't get it, black people are darker, it's literally harder to pick up detail. This is a technical issue. You need the right dynamic range, especially in low light conditions.

and it's a technical issue because the technology wasn't developed with dark-skinned people in mind. and why do you think it wasn't developed with dark-skinned people in mind?
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averagejoel posted...

and it's a technical issue because the technology wasn't developed with dark-skinned people in mind.

Yes, the entire field of optics and photography was developed with white people in mind . . . nothing to do with a new era of knowledge transfer the likes of which not seen since the printing press.

Or you know, evil whites developing evil white technology for selfies years into the future! Damn them!
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

and it's a technical issue because the technology wasn't developed with dark-skinned people in mind.

Yes, the entire field of optics and photography was developed with white people in mind . . . nothing to do with a new era of knowledge transfer the likes of which not seen since the printing press.

Or you know, evil whites developing evil white technology for selfies years into the future! Damn them!

what
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We wuz kangz
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^ haven't you been warned for enough racist shit already?
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I don't even understand what you are arguing Anarchy_Jubilex. Most of the companies that produced commercial grade film tested and optimized their film for presenting people (and in this case that was mostly white people) on screen, so many movies were shot on film that did not give the same dynamic range to African Americans.
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Anteaterking posted...

I don't even understand what you are arguing Anarchy_Jubilex. Most of the companies that produced commercial grade film tested and optimized their film for presenting people (and in this case that was mostly white people) on screen, so many movies were shot on film that did not give the same dynamic range to African Americans.

I honestly couldn't make any sense of his most recent post. I'm not 100% sure he could either
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The Admiral posted...

Why are you race baiting using a story from 3 years ago?

SSJGrimReaper posted...

sigless user topic

Lol so triggered

Made me think of https://gizmodo.com/5431190/hp-face-tracking-webcams-dont-recognize-black-people
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Foppe posted...

Made me think of https://gizmodo.com/5431190/hp-face-tracking-webcams-dont-recognize-black-people

Lol