Current Events > when did you realize Trump was a racist?

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mew4ever posted...

Believe me, I'm as big a Trump hater as you can find, but why is this quote such a big deal coming from him? He says crap like this all the time. If you don't like him, you've been that way for a long time now and if you do like him, you've probably got no problem with it.

Honestly I see where you're coming from with this, but I feel like things like this shouldn't just simply blow away because he does it on a regular basis
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averagejoel posted...

it is racist to ignore the historical context explaining why those countries are poor

There is literally no definition of racism that fits this description.
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the one I was first aware of? birther movement
anyone who pushed as hard as he did for it was racist, plain and simple
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Anteaterking posted...

As far as classification, he happened to pick only countries that were predominantly made up of poor people as his "****hole countries" and wealthy European countries as his examples of good countries.

It works this way too
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averagejoel posted...

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nicklebro posted...

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nicklebro posted...

spincr posted...

metralo posted...

and he doesnt think we should accept people from those shithole countries becaussssssssse?

I mean if he thinks only the countries are shit and not the people then we dont have a problem right? But thats not what he said. He thinks the people are shit too. Stop glossing over this.

And that still doesn't constitutes racism. Is everyone in the US this stupid?

Lol don't be obtuse, his racist beliefs are clearly what generated this hilarious quote. He's racist against H Hatians and pretty much all of Africa.

And no, not everyone in the US is as stupid as Trump. Most of us didn't vote for him.

And you still don't know what racism is. Jesus christ learn already its no wonder Trump became president with you all this deluded.

Then explain it oh wise one. Explain how thinking a race of people is inferior to yours isn't racism.

Calling a country a shithole, doesn't imply anything. People from the Congo aren't a specific race of people just because they live there. You are clearly to ignorant to know what real racism is.

it is racist to ignore the historical context explaining why those countries are poor

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.
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Anteaterking posted...

If you look at the non European countries that rank above Norway in GDP, you have

Qatar, Macau, Singapore, Brunei, and Kuwait.

Why weren't those the pinnacle of non-****hole countries?

GDP is not the sole measure. However, I'd agree that none of those five you listed are shitholes. They're also generally tiny (all of them have lower populations than NYC alone) and thus don't have large groups of people immigrating to the US.
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spincr posted...

Calling a country a shithole, doesn't imply anything. People from the Congo aren't a specific race of people just because they live there. You are clearly to ignorant to know what real racism is.

Oh I see, so you're just ignoring all of the things people have pointed out that refute this stupid argument. Lol as if we haven't already pointed out how he's referring to African countries, therefor African people, which are indeed a race of people. But you came into this topic extremely upset and I'm sure me proving you wrong won't settle you down at all, so I'll wait a while before responding to your incoming butthurt filled rant.

The Admiral posted...

Not only did I not say "none of them," the article you posted doesn't refute that point anyway.

The Admiral posted...

the people fleeing the "shithole" countries by the millions don't want to come to the US to become American citizens and integrate

So were supposed to assume that you meant to imply that you weren't referring to all refugees here? Lol that's quite a bit of a stretch, but if you want to go ahead and amend your post to include something like "And some, I assume, are good people."
lmao.

And the article I posted was to refute this part:

The Admiral posted...

Letting in people who want to come here simply because their country is too fucked up -- only to have them become an underclass and permanent drain on resources -- it shitty immigration policy.

Because you're objectively incorrect.
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About 1990
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prince_leo posted...

the one I was first aware of? birther movement
anyone who pushed as hard as he did for it was racist, plain and simple

Oh. Whoops I guess I did pay attention to that.

Yeah I change my answer to this
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Housing discrimination was the red flag
prince_leo posted...

the one I was first aware of? birther movement
anyone who pushed as hard as he did for it was racist, plain and simple

And this was the confirmation

mew4ever posted...

Believe me, I'm as big a Trump hater as you can find, but why is this quote such a big deal coming from him? He says crap like this all the time. If you don't like him, you've been that way for a long time now and if you do like him, you've probably got no problem with it.

Again, it's not just because he used profanity. This was in a conversation about how our immigration policy should be set up. His attitude towards immigration is an issue. Especially after people on this board went on and on about how he was only against ILLEGAL immigration.
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nicklebro posted...

So were supposed to assume that you meant to imply that you weren't referring to all refugees here?

Yes, you should stop using the "you said all/not all" fallacy of arguing.
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spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes
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nicklebro posted...

spincr posted...

Calling a country a shithole, doesn't imply anything. People from the Congo aren't a specific race of people just because they live there. You are clearly to ignorant to know what real racism is.

Oh I see, so you're just ignoring all of the things people have pointed out that refute this stupid argument. Lol as if we haven't already pointed out how he's referring to African countries, therefor African people, which are indeed a race of people. But you came into this topic extremely upset and I'm sure me proving you wrong won't settle you down at all, so I'll wait a while before responding to your incoming butthurt filled rant.

You're just too stupid to actually know what the term racism constitutes. Its pathetic really but explains alot.
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averagejoel posted...

spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes

Again, stop using fake definitions of racism. If a building collapses and is in a pile of rubble, you don't need to know the full context of how it collapsed to describe it. If it's rubble, it's rubble.
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mew4ever posted...

Believe me, I'm as big a Trump hater as you can find, but why is this quote such a big deal coming from him? He says crap like this all the time. If you don't like him, you've been that way for a long time now and if you do like him, you've probably got no problem with it.

I actually agree with this. This isn't the worst shit he's said. Not even the most racist shit he's said.
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The Admiral posted...

averagejoel posted...

spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes

Again, stop using fake definitions of racism. If a building collapses and is in a pile of rubble, you don't need to know the full context of how it collapsed to describe it. If it's rubble, it's rubble.

Just making a statement doesn't need any backstory on how they became shitholes just for the statement alone. Had he said the countries are now shitholes because of the people that made it that way i suppose that could be construed slightly more implicitly racist.

Then again its not solely the white's fault africa is a shithole. They choose to build the same mudslap huts they did 50000 years ago. Not saying that good or bad, i suppose it fits their purpose.
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The Admiral posted...

nicklebro posted...

So were supposed to assume that you meant to imply that you weren't referring to all refugees here?

Yes, you should stop using the "you said all/not all" fallacy of arguing.

Maybe you should stop using gross generalizations for your terrible arguments then. If you didn't mean all, then how many? Because if you didn't get it by now, that's kinda relevant and the reason I brought it up in the first place. Usually you're capable of catching onto those things but I guess you need a bit more hand holding today than usual.

So what % of refugees were you referring to? And are you going to respond at all the part where I proved your assertion that they're a permanent drain on our resources to be completely bogus?
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The Admiral posted...

averagejoel posted...

spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes

Again, stop using fake definitions of racism. If a building collapses and is in a pile of rubble, you don't need to know the full context of how it collapsed to describe it. If it's rubble, it's rubble.

Gotta kinda agree with Admiral on this point though. Trump being ignorant of pretty much any history at all isn't racist, its just plain ignorance and idiocy.
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spincr posted...

The Admiral posted...

averagejoel posted...

spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes

Again, stop using fake definitions of racism. If a building collapses and is in a pile of rubble, you don't need to know the full context of how it collapsed to describe it. If it's rubble, it's rubble.

Just making a statement doesn't need any backstory on how they became shitholes just for the statement alone. Had he said the countries are now shitholes because of the people that made it that way i suppose that could be construed slightly more implicitly racist.

Then again its not solely the white's fault africa is a shithole. They choose to build the same mudslap huts they did 50000 years ago. Not saying that good or bad, i suppose it fits their purpose.

I restate, this time for either of you: please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes.
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Antifar posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

I have white offspring in real life. Typically, when I create a character in videogames, my player character is usually white.

To some, this is enough to be racist.

w h a t

You've never heard of this?

Something about how white families procreating promotes racism.
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averagejoel posted...

spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes

Not racist, necessarily, but still prejudiced. There is a difference. However, his motivation may still include racism, it's just that calling somewhere a shithole on its own does not automatically mean a person did so because of what its population is.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

averagejoel posted...

spincr posted...

No its not. Jesus american education has gone low.

yes, it is absolutely racist to call those countries "shitholes" while ignoring the historical context of how they became that way.

yes, the american education system is generally bad

please describe, in your own words, how those countries became shitholes

Not racist, necessarily, but still prejudiced. There is a difference. However, his motivation may still include racism, it's just that calling somewhere a shithole on its own does not automatically mean a person did so because of what its population is.

Sure in a vacuum, but were talking about Trump. And in this context, its clearly racist. Lol this reminds me of Trumpeteers claiming that the Muslim ban wasn't really a Muslim ban. Its like c'mon guys, he said it in his campaign, we know exactly what he's doing. The only reason it isn't an exactly perfect Muslim ban is because that's unconstitutional and Trump couldn't do that even if he tried, which I'm sure he did.
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JustMonika posted...

Other: When he claimed a guy born in Indiana couldn't be impartial in a trial because he was Hispanic.

This.
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Htven't seen any racism
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Antifar posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

I have white offspring in real life. Typically, when I create a character in videogames, my player character is usually white.

To some, this is enough to be racist.

w h a t

You've never heard of this?

Something about how white families procreating promotes racism.

Without taking anything way out of context, there are literally like 8 people worldwide that actually believe that shit.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Antifar posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

I have white offspring in real life. Typically, when I create a character in videogames, my player character is usually white.

To some, this is enough to be racist.

w h a t

You've never heard of this?

Something about how white families procreating promotes racism.

Without taking anything way out of context, there are literally like 8 people worldwide that actually believe that shit.

Lol yeah I really don't get people pretending extremist opinions like that are actually a thing outside of you know actual extremists

2010: I'm not racist, but...
2018: Trump's not racist, but...

really makes you think
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glitteringfairy posted...

Htven't seen any racism

Try opening your eyes.
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Everyone is a racist. No way to get out of it.
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I don't know why people keep focusing on him calling the countries Shitholes. The issue is he somehow thinks the people from that countries are inherently bad for the US
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Wait, Trump is racist?
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emblem boy posted...

I don't know why people keep focusing on him calling the countries Shitholes. The issue is he somehow thinks the people from that countries are inherently bad for the US

because the trump cultists shift the narrative to that talking point so the arguement shifts to that. are those countries not shitholes tho?.

anything to protect their fat cult leader. they know how much harder it is to defend him saying that those people are shitholes without outright being racist themselves, since they love to call the left the real racists.
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nicklebro posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

Htven't seen any racism

Try opening your eyes.

They are open. I see a man putting America first
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glitteringfairy posted...

nicklebro posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

Htven't seen any racism

Try opening your eyes.

They are open. I see a man putting America first

Even if that was true, which it clearly is not, it doesn't stop him from being racist. In fact it would encourage it, much like Britain First is one of the most racist organizations in the world.
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Axiom posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Antifar posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

I have white offspring in real life. Typically, when I create a character in videogames, my player character is usually white.

To some, this is enough to be racist.

w h a t

You've never heard of this?

Something about how white families procreating promotes racism.

Without taking anything way out of context, there are literally like 8 people worldwide that actually believe that shit.

Lol yeah I really don't get people pretending extremist opinions like that are actually a thing outside of you know actual extremists

Well, I did say some people lol. Who knows how many actually feel this way, but don't say it outloud.
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The "very fine people" revealed it all for me.

You do not play with fire like the KKK and Nazi.
If more Americans were more knowledgeable about the atrocities committed by those two groups, they'd be fully aware of Trump's racist mindset.
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averagejoel posted...

it's racist to ignore the reasons why those countries are poor

Lmao. Stop saying everything is racist

not_shawn_z posted...

averagejoel posted...

it's racist to ignore the reasons why those countries are poor

Lmao. Stop saying everything is racist

I didn't
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You're arguing that a comment that has nothing to do with race, is racist. That's why I said to stop calling everything racist. If you're making that reach, you more than likely do it with a lot of other things

The race card went from silencing people, to carrying no weight whatsoever, and now we're at the point where it makes the people trying to play it actually look stupid. "Everyone who disagrees with me is RACIST!!!" Relax, snowflake. There's a safe space over there.
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Probably when he claimed Obama was born in a different country and muslim or whatever it was.
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"Mexicans are drug dealers, criminals, and rapists!"
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gguirao posted...

"Mexicans are drug dealers, criminals, and rapists!"

"I only listen to what like minded people tell me and I can't be bothered to research for myself!"

how is he racist
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not_shawn_z posted...

You're arguing that a comment that has nothing to do with race, is racist. That's why I said to stop calling everything racist. If you're making that reach, you more than likely do it with a lot of other things

but it does have to do with race
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metralo posted...

emblem boy posted...

I don't know why people keep focusing on him calling the countries Shitholes. The issue is he somehow thinks the people from that countries are inherently bad for the US

because the trump cultists shift the narrative to that talking point so the arguement shifts to that. are those countries not shitholes tho?.

anything to protect their fat cult leader. they know how much harder it is to defend him saying that those people are shitholes without outright being racist themselves, since they love to call the left the real racists.

Sad.

The thing is, anti Trump people seem to be fine changing the narrative to that as well, which is so weird.
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The Admiral posted...

Chain-linking racism is the millennial way of crying racism. If you criticize something that is disproportionately correlated with any minority group -- regardless of how accurate -- you are automatically criticizing that minority group.

You'll notice for the last two months during the Ray Moore election, liberals called Alabama a shithole and worse everyday and never thought anything of the generalization. Now that they have another excuse to virtue signal and cry about Trump being a racist, the standards suddenly change.

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7pv08v/a_new_low_the_world_is_furious_at_trump_for_his/dsk8sbi/

This explains the root of the problem which isn't the shithole comment itself, but the other things surrounding it.
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JustMonika posted...

Other: When he claimed a guy born in Indiana couldn't be impartial in a trial because he was Hispanic.

That was a good one
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