Current Events > Mitch McConnell and GOP prepare for government shutdown

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/government-shutdown-2018-mitch-mcconnell-345662
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Art of the Deal.
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nice, I wonder how this will go

my republican friends and my democratic friends are both itching for a shut down actually
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Buncha scummy fucks
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So, what does each side want
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RedZaraki posted...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/government-shutdown-2018-mitch-mcconnell-345662

That dude looks like a turtle who just came out of his shell.
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emblem boy posted...

So, what does each side want

the long story short is that the GOP and Democrats are both probably divided

they did think they had the votes, by placing CHIP in the package (even though there is less military funding than some GOP members want, and no DACA deal, which many but not all Dems insist on)

then this happened: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/government-shutdown-2018-trump-republicans-345532
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Art of the Deal.

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.
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Balrog0 posted...

emblem boy posted...

So, what does each side want

the long story short is that the GOP and Democrats are both probably divided

they did think they had the votes, by placing CHIP in the package (even though there is less military funding than some GOP members want, and no DACA deal, which many but not all Dems insist on)

then this happened: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/government-shutdown-2018-trump-republicans-345532

Trump truly has no idea what's going on
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

I dunno, to me it seems just as likely that private lobbyist influence would become much larger with term limits, since they can just as easily buy a new politician as an old one, and they have more leverage over the new one due to their superior institutional knowledge

it also would just increase the number of former politicians who become lobbyists if anything
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fuck Mitch McConnell
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

I agree even if its 10 years. They need a damn limit
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How incompetent does a party have to be to control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court, and they still can't get their shit together?
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

here's how you get less shutdowns:

remove the debt ceiling entirely

what the GOP is doing seems sure to backfire on them

they deserve whatever happens to them. CHIP should never have been collateral.
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Balrog0 posted...

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

I dunno, to me it seems just as likely that private lobbyist influence would become much larger with term limits, since they can just as easily buy a new politician as an old one, and they have more leverage over the new one due to their superior institutional knowledge

it also would just increase the number of former politicians who become lobbyists if anything

I guess it's two different things I want that aren't really connected. I don't think term limits will get rid of lobbying and could theoretically make it worse, but I don't trust this current congress to get anything done to limit the affect of lobbying. One can only dream.
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

the problem of lobbyists would probably be worse with term limits
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Let us blame the Democrats when the GOP has majority in House and Senate, so they can actually make whatever they want happen.

I don't understand the entertainment and political industries. You or me doesn't do our job, we get fired. Actor and singer doesn't do their job, they get a higher paid gig somewhere else. Politician does do his job, he gets a raise and a vacation.

I mean seriously
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Behaviorism posted...

I mean seriously

when you're not answerable to your employer you can do whatever ya want
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Darkman124 posted...

Behaviorism posted...

I mean seriously

when you're not answerable to your employer you can do whatever ya want

Politicians answer to US
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Behaviorism posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Behaviorism posted...

I mean seriously

when you're not answerable to your employer you can do whatever ya want

Politicians answer to US

we want them to

they don't
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hey @Darkman124 what is your sense of who this benefits? I mean, the obvious answer is democrats, but I see quite a few GOP types (grassroots and elected officials/people in party leadership) saying they are spoiling for a shutdown

do you think this is just grandstanding?
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Balrog0 posted...

hey @Darkman124 what is your sense of who this benefits? I mean, the obvious answer is democrats, but I see quite a few GOP types (grassroots and elected officials/people in party leadership) saying they are spoiling for a shutdown

do you think this is just grandstanding?

no

i think the tea party wing wants the shutdown too, it makes them seem desirable in primaries in house districts where there is no real democratic opposition
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

PREACH
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Maybe it's just because I'm a cynical bastard, but I'm having a hard time seeing any actual consequences for the GOP come from this. Most people blamed them for the 2013 shutdown, and then they "punished" them by awarding them 9 Senate seats, 13 House seats, and a couple of governor's races the next year.
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Fox and their fellow extreme right friends are already gearing up for an all out assault on liberals and democrats for this.
UnholyMudcrab posted...

Maybe it's just because I'm a cynical bastard, but I'm having a hard time seeing any actual consequences for the GOP come from this. Most people blamed them for the 2013 shutdown, and then they "punished" them by awarding them 9 Senate seats and 13 House seats the next year.

Yeah, the GOP is held to a different standard than democrats.
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Bishop9800 posted...

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

I know it'll never happen but there needs to be a way to set term limits for Congressmen because all we get is a bunch of career politicians that don't give on shit about the country or the people they're serving and instead are subservient to the lobbyists and big corporations. Maybe then we'll get less shutdowns and Congress actually getting something done for once.

PREACH

From now until the end of time, things will never change. Politicians will ALWAYS bend over for lobbyist, corporations, special interest groups. They never be for the people
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Spooking posted...

DACA is unconstitutional

How so?
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Spooking posted...

Instead, get infrastructure funding since that's somebody Dems and Trump can agree on.

the method, they cannot

the proposed infrastructure plan is of pence's design and is the same sort of mass-privatization he put in place in IN

dems would rather let it wait and do it themselves after their next wave
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Can anyone explain this government shutdown phenomenon to a stupid foreigner?
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scar the 1 posted...

Can anyone explain this government shutdown phenomenon to a stupid foreigner?

when sweden and other countries spend more than they take in via taxes, government bonds are auctioned to cover the difference. because they can print their own money, the debt is considered very safe and has an interest rate that barely is above inflation.

when the united states spends more than they take in via taxes, they do the same, BUT, the US has a debt ceiling that limits the amount of bonds they can sell. not for any particular reason; it's not based on the cost of total payouts relative to our tax receipts or anything that would limit our ability to actually make the payments; just a big round number.

we're coming up to that big round number again. when we hit it, we either have to raise the debt ceiling, effectively admitting that we are stupid to have a ceiling, or shut down the government and only fund what we can with taxes, which means only 'critical' services such as our military.
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Darkman124 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Can anyone explain this government shutdown phenomenon to a stupid foreigner?

when sweden and other countries spend more than they take in via taxes, government bonds are auctioned to cover the difference. because they can print their own money, the debt is considered very safe and has an interest rate that barely is above inflation.

when the united states spends more than they take in via taxes, they do the same, BUT, the US has a debt ceiling that limits the amount of bonds they can sell. not for any particular reason; it's not based on the cost of total payouts relative to our tax receipts or anything that would limit our ability to actually make the payments; just a big round number.

we're coming up to that big round number again. when we hit it, we either have to raise the debt ceiling, effectively admitting that we are stupid to have a ceiling, or shut down the government and only fund what we can with taxes, which means only 'critical' services such as our military.

Thanks. Is this an annual thing or just every time you're close to bumping into the ceiling?
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scar the 1 posted...

Thanks. Is this an annual thing or just every time you're close to bumping into the ceiling?

every time we're close

the ceiling can be raised a little or a lot
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Shut down to get rid of DACA?
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I'm interested in seeing how this all turns out.

Obviously Trump's cultists and the Fox News folks will just blame the Dems

But I'm curious as to how like normal people end up seeing this
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Well the wall was a campaign promise....
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Bullet_Wing posted...

No. Dems and Reps had a bipartisan agreement that they presented to Trump who had a hissy fit and declined it because it didn't include funding for his vanity project (wall). See: the Shithole incident.

I hate Trump, but I love how miserable he probably makes Mitch McConnell
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CommonStar posted...

Let us blame the Democrats when the GOP has majority in House and Senate, so they can actually make whatever they want happen.

They need a supermajority to pass a budget bill, you do know that, right?
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isnt mitch a neocon?

whatever, i want dems and republicans to break into pieces.
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So if there is a shutdown, how does it end? Do they finally cave and raise the debt ceiling anyway?
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