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wackyteen 01/21/18 7:54:38 AM #52:	Common core math looks like a smart way to do it On paper But if I'm adding numbers in my head I'm not juggling a stack of 5 numbers and equations in my head 32-12 should be an immediate reaction, not a process --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:894483426] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>Common core math looks like a smart way to do it On paper But if I'm adding numbers in my head I'm not juggling a stack of 5 numbers and equations in my head 32-12 should be an immediate reaction, not a process</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/21/18 7:55:24 AM #53:	CarlGrimes posted... scar the 1 posted... With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. Because 34+13 is so hard. I wasn't aware that math education in the US never goes beyond subtraction of two-digit numbers. (I'm assuming your + was a typo) --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:894483441] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. </quote> Because 34+13 is so hard.</quote> I wasn't aware that math education in the US never goes beyond subtraction of two-digit numbers. (I'm assuming your + was a typo)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 01/21/18 7:55:44 AM #54:	Fam_Fam posted... what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand Round up to 700 12,284+700=12,984 then subtract the excess 1 Too easy --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:894483448] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand</quote> Round up to 700 12,284+700=12,984 then subtract the excess 1 Too easy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vulgorn 01/21/18 7:56:08 AM #55:	if youre a grown ass adult that is out of education, does not teach and does not have kids common core shouldnt matter to you at all --- http://i.imgur.com/ryDA9Rf.gif FC: 4699 - 7126 - 6305 IGN: AJ <cite>Vulgorn posted [p:894483458] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>if youre a grown ass adult that is out of education, does not teach and does not have kids common core shouldnt matter to you at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 7:57:41 AM #56:	wackyteen posted... Fam_Fam posted... what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand Round up to 700 12,284+700=12,984 then subtract the excess 1 Too easy correct, and this is the kind of thing you do in the common core. learn properties about numbers to do the math mentally sometimes instead of just jumping to the algorithm. this is useful. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483481] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand</quote> Round up to 700 12,284+700=12,984 then subtract the excess 1 Too easy</quote> correct, and this is the kind of thing you do in the common core. learn properties about numbers to do the math mentally sometimes instead of just jumping to the algorithm. this is useful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 01/21/18 7:58:21 AM #57:	Fam_Fam posted... CarlGrimes posted... scar the 1 posted... With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. Because 34+13 is so hard. what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand Why is speed a factor? Shaving a few seconds off is not really necessary in most cases. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:894483490] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. </quote> Because 34+13 is so hard.</quote> what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand</quote> Why is speed a factor? Shaving a few seconds off is not really necessary in most cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 7:58:48 AM #58:	Vulgorn posted... if youre a grown ass adult that is out of education, does not teach and does not have kids common core shouldnt matter to you at all the educational system isn't important to people who aren't teaching or have children? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483501] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vulgorn posted...</cite> <quote>if youre a grown ass adult that is out of education, does not teach and does not have kids common core shouldnt matter to you at all</quote> the educational system isn't important to people who aren't teaching or have children?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:00:27 AM #59:	CarlGrimes posted... Fam_Fam posted... CarlGrimes posted... scar the 1 posted... With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. Because 34+13 is so hard. what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand Why is speed a factor? Shaving a few seconds off is not really necessary in most cases. you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? also, the main point is that you learn properties of the numbers. if you just learned "how to add the numbers", you don't need to develop such an understanding <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483526] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. </quote> Because 34+13 is so hard.</quote> what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand</quote> Why is speed a factor? Shaving a few seconds off is not really necessary in most cases.</quote> you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? also, the main point is that you learn properties of the numbers. if you just learned "how to add the numbers", you don't need to develop such an understanding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 01/21/18 8:03:08 AM #60:	Fam_Fam posted... you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:894483589] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? </quote> It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:04:29 AM #61:	CarlGrimes posted... Fam_Fam posted... you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people. yes but developing the skill of being faster by being efficient rather than brute forcing through things is useful, no? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483614] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? </quote> It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people.</quote> yes but developing the skill of being faster by being efficient rather than brute forcing through things is useful, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/21/18 8:07:33 AM #63:	Learning how to do the same thing many different ways will increase the underlying understanding you have about the process. That's kind of obvious tbh. Furthermore, mathematics is a very vertical subject. As you progress further and further, it's extremely important not only that you've operationalized what you were taught before, but also that you understand it properly. If not, math becomes super hard, because you need to memorize a lot of formulae and algorithms that you don't understand. And in the society of today and tomorrow, the demand for engineers gets larger and larger, so strong math skills will be more relevant than ever. Not to mention the fact that a strong grasp on statistics is useful for literally every citizen. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:894483684] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>Learning how to do the same thing many different ways will increase the underlying understanding you have about the process. That's kind of obvious tbh. Furthermore, mathematics is a very vertical subject. As you progress further and further, it's extremely important not only that you've operationalized what you were taught before, but also that you understand it properly. If not, math becomes super hard, because you need to memorize a lot of formulae and algorithms that you don't understand. And in the society of today and tomorrow, the demand for engineers gets larger and larger, so strong math skills will be more relevant than ever. Not to mention the fact that a strong grasp on statistics is useful for literally every citizen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 01/21/18 8:10:40 AM #64:	Fam_Fam posted... CarlGrimes posted... Fam_Fam posted... you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people. yes but developing the skill of being faster by being efficient rather than brute forcing through things is useful, no? Depends on the person. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:894483744] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? </quote> It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people.</quote> yes but developing the skill of being faster by being efficient rather than brute forcing through things is useful, no?</quote> Depends on the person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vulgorn 01/21/18 8:11:50 AM #65:	Fam_Fam posted... the educational system isn't important to people who aren't teaching or have children? thats what i said --- http://i.imgur.com/ryDA9Rf.gif FC: 4699 - 7126 - 6305 IGN: AJ <cite>Vulgorn posted [p:894483773] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>the educational system isn't important to people who aren't teaching or have children? </quote> thats what i said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:16:02 AM #66:	Vulgorn posted... Fam_Fam posted... the educational system isn't important to people who aren't teaching or have children? thats what i said you don't think that the education level of the generation has any effect on people who don't have children? So, the education level of the current generation is not affecting the lives and interests of the baby boomers, in your mind? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483855] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vulgorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>the educational system isn't important to people who aren't teaching or have children? </quote> thats what i said</quote> you don't think that the education level of the generation has any effect on people who don't have children? So, the education level of the current generation is not affecting the lives and interests of the baby boomers, in your mind?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/21/18 8:16:11 AM #67:	I don't think most people would have a problem with Common Core if it were explained to them correctly the first time around. It becomes almost a political identity thing after that, so almost no reason to try to convince people. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:894483860] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>I don't think most people would have a problem with Common Core if it were explained to them correctly the first time around. It becomes almost a political identity thing after that, so almost no reason to try to convince people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:17:06 AM #68:	CarlGrimes posted... Fam_Fam posted... CarlGrimes posted... Fam_Fam posted... you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people. yes but developing the skill of being faster by being efficient rather than brute forcing through things is useful, no? Depends on the person. so then learning say, that method, would help develop such a skill for some people. doing so in a number of contexts throughout math would develop that further, and place a value in thinking smart by understanding how something works. that kind of skill is useful in many contexts in life. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483889] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>you don't know why speed is a factor in today's society? </quote> It is a few seconds. Not that much of a difference to most people.</quote> yes but developing the skill of being faster by being efficient rather than brute forcing through things is useful, no?</quote> Depends on the person.</quote> so then learning say, that method, would help develop such a skill for some people. doing so in a number of contexts throughout math would develop that further, and place a value in thinking smart by understanding how something works. that kind of skill is useful in many contexts in life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:18:35 AM #69:	COVxy posted... I don't think most people would have a problem with Common Core if it were explained to them correctly the first time around. It becomes almost a political identity thing after that, so almost no reason to try to convince people. oh there's no point for many people. it should be obvious in this political climate that many people are happy to stick with what the currently believe and don't care to learn about the other sides' perspective and what might be valid from what they are saying. this is an area where i don't think there is any chance of climate change in the near future. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894483930] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think most people would have a problem with Common Core if it were explained to them correctly the first time around. It becomes almost a political identity thing after that, so almost no reason to try to convince people.</quote> oh there's no point for many people. it should be obvious in this political climate that many people are happy to stick with what the currently believe and don't care to learn about the other sides' perspective and what might be valid from what they are saying. this is an area where i don't think there is any chance of climate change in the near future.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vulgorn 01/21/18 8:21:49 AM #71:	27_Sandman_40 posted... The current American educational system is the only system in the world where saying 2+2=4 is marked wrong, thanks to common core. -1 thats 3 quick maffs --- http://i.imgur.com/ryDA9Rf.gif FC: 4699 - 7126 - 6305 IGN: AJ <cite>Vulgorn posted [p:894484012] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>The current American educational system is the only system in the world where saying 2+2=4 is marked wrong, thanks to common core.</quote> -1 thats 3 quick maffs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:23:51 AM #73:	27_Sandman_40 posted... The current American educational system is the only system in the world where saying 2+2=4 is marked wrong, thanks to common core. no, that's not the case, generally. i hate people spreading BS like this. you maybe saw one thing out of context like this and then generalize for no reason, when that is not standard practice at all. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484057] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>The current American educational system is the only system in the world where saying 2+2=4 is marked wrong, thanks to common core.</quote> no, that's not the case, generally. i hate people spreading BS like this. you maybe saw one thing out of context like this and then generalize for no reason, when that is not standard practice at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:25:16 AM #75:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Talks posted... little kids should just go through Euclids Elements and convince themselves of each proof and then be tested on reconstructing them then they should be taught formal symbolic logic and spend highschool reconstructing arithmetic according to Russel and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica. Think of how much better this world would be. lmfao this! great post !! teaching math in this way (beginning with very formal mathematics) was attempted decades ago, and was not very successful. if you actually studied math education instead of making trolling posts like this, you'd know that this was attempted and shown to not actually be a good idea. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484082] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Talks posted...</cite> <quote>little kids should just go through Euclids Elements and convince themselves of each proof and then be tested on reconstructing them then they should be taught formal symbolic logic and spend highschool reconstructing arithmetic according to Russel and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica. Think of how much better this world would be.</quote> lmfao this! great post !!</quote> teaching math in this way (beginning with very formal mathematics) was attempted decades ago, and was not very successful. if you actually studied math education instead of making trolling posts like this, you'd know that this was attempted and shown to not actually be a good idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:25:51 AM #77:	27_Sandman_40 posted... i has 2 apples. you give 3 apple. now i have 5 wow so hard. much confusing :( I agree. They teach things like this in the CC standards, and it's not bad at all. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484095] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>i has 2 apples. you give 3 apple. now i have 5 wow so hard. much confusing :(</quote> I agree. They teach things like this in the CC standards, and it's not bad at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:27:02 AM #80:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Fam_Fam posted... 27_Sandman_40 posted... The current American educational system is the only system in the world where saying 2+2=4 is marked wrong, thanks to common core. no, that's not the case, generally. i hate people spreading BS like this. you maybe saw one thing out of context like this and then generalize for no reason, when that is not standard practice at all. ive seen so many things out of context already enough to know that perhaps the context was pretty fucking spot on how many things have you seen? and how many teachers and students are using the CC every day? you realize what you've seen, even if it was 1000 (it wasn't), is a very carefully selected sample from millions of math problems done every day. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484118] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>The current American educational system is the only system in the world where saying 2+2=4 is marked wrong, thanks to common core.</quote> no, that's not the case, generally. i hate people spreading BS like this. you maybe saw one thing out of context like this and then generalize for no reason, when that is not standard practice at all.</quote> ive seen so many things out of context already enough to know that perhaps the context was pretty fucking spot on</quote> how many things have you seen? and how many teachers and students are using the CC every day? you realize what you've seen, even if it was 1000 (it wasn't), is a very carefully selected sample from millions of math problems done every day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:27:31 AM #81:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Fam_Fam posted... 27_Sandman_40 posted... i has 2 apples. you give 3 apple. now i have 5 wow so hard. much confusing :( I agree. They teach things like this in the CC standards, and it's not bad at all. no they dont are you stupid? I train elementary math teachers, and this is certainly something we cover. here's a problem I use with them: https://imgur.com/a/L4WHU <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484129] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>i has 2 apples. you give 3 apple. now i have 5 wow so hard. much confusing :(</quote> I agree. They teach things like this in the CC standards, and it's not bad at all.</quote> no they dont</quote> are you stupid? I train elementary math teachers, and this is certainly something we cover. here's a problem I use with them: https://imgur.com/a/L4WHU</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 01/21/18 8:27:45 AM #82:	My question is, who the fuck came up with this shit? Are they the same people that said that they dont let you use calculators or the same people that said you need to learn cursive. --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:894484138] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>My question is, who the fuck came up with this shit? Are they the same people that said that they dont let you use calculators or the same people that said you need to learn cursive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:28:51 AM #83:	josifrees posted... My question is, who the fuck came up with this shit? Are they the same people that said that they dont let you use calculators or the same people that said you need to learn cursive. The Nationals Governors Association developed the common core. It was based on mathematics research, and included policymakers, mathematicians and mathematics educators. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484173] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote>My question is, who the fuck came up with this shit? Are they the same people that said that they dont let you use calculators or the same people that said you need to learn cursive.</quote> The Nationals Governors Association developed the common core. It was based on mathematics research, and included policymakers, mathematicians and mathematics educators.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 01/21/18 8:37:49 AM #84:	I'm 30. I can't understand common core to save my life. I also barely understand regular math. --- http://i.imgur.com/23CCcZB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32mwCo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oqklqKC.jpg <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:894484383] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>I'm 30. I can't understand common core to save my life. I also barely understand regular math.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 8:39:06 AM #85:	pres_madagascar posted... I'm 30. I can't understand common core to save my life. I also barely understand regular math. well, children can learn it, and so could you, if you were interested in try. I teach a course in it, actually! <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894484413] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote>I'm 30. I can't understand common core to save my life. I also barely understand regular math.</quote> well, children can learn it, and so could you, if you were interested in try. I teach a course in it, actually!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Juice_ 01/21/18 9:46:27 AM #86:	Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc --- Difference in men & women: http://i.imgur.com/kHCwK2p.jpg Broncos l Raptors l Dodgers l Maple Leafs l UCLA <cite>The_Juice_ posted [p:894486453] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 01/21/18 10:08:04 AM #87:	The_Juice_ posted... Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc Yep, and these limiting beliefs are the biggest frustration as a current teacher --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:894487227] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Juice_ posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc</quote> Yep, and these limiting beliefs are the biggest frustration as a current teacher</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 10:16:07 AM #88:	The_Juice_ posted... Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc yes thats a big problem. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894487529] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Juice_ posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc</quote> yes thats a big problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 10:16:43 AM #89:	ZMythos posted... The_Juice_ posted... Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc Yep, and these limiting beliefs are the biggest frustration as a current teacher i surveyed the teachers i will be prparing this semester and this was a common thing they mentioned as a problem. crap attitudes from people who "aren't math people" <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894487555] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Juice_ posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly the hardest part about teaching math is just everyone's shit attitude toward it. Parent: "Lol I sucked at math in school and I obviously turned out fine so my kid's grade is whatever in that class" Kid: "I've never been good at math so I'm not gonna start trying now" Etc</quote> Yep, and these limiting beliefs are the biggest frustration as a current teacher</quote> i surveyed the teachers i will be prparing this semester and this was a common thing they mentioned as a problem. crap attitudes from people who "aren't math people"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EnragedSlith 01/21/18 10:26:52 AM #91:	Hallmark of stupidity is hating something just because its unfamiliar and you dont understand it. Its not really a surprise that so many people hate math, and this is an extension of that --- ultimate milf hunter https://i.imgur.com/lCEdce6.gifv https://i.imgur.com/2N1Ezia.gifv https://i.imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ.jpg https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:894487960] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>Hallmark of stupidity is hating something just because its unfamiliar and you dont understand it. Its not really a surprise that so many people hate math, and this is an extension of that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/21/18 10:27:05 AM #92:	27_Sandman_40 posted... now show the convoluted shit were all talking about. you wont. It's probably better for everyone if you actually go to the common core standards and highlight the issues you have with them for us. http://www.corestandards.org/Math/ --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:894487974] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>now show the convoluted shit were all talking about. you wont. </quote> It's probably better for everyone if you actually go to the common core standards and highlight the issues you have with them for us. http://www.corestandards.org/Math/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 01/21/18 10:32:04 AM #93:	wackyteen posted... Common core math looks like a smart way to do it On paper But if I'm adding numbers in my head I'm not juggling a stack of 5 numbers and equations in my head 32-12 should be an immediate reaction, not a process This --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:894488169] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote>Common core math looks like a smart way to do it On paper But if I'm adding numbers in my head I'm not juggling a stack of 5 numbers and equations in my head 32-12 should be an immediate reaction, not a process</quote> This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prince_leo 01/21/18 10:38:22 AM #95:	27_Sandman_40 posted... now show the convoluted shit were all talking about. you wont. typically the problems you see circulating on social media are taken out of context. more to the point, the issue isn't with common core but how some teachers attempt to dash out the standards the convoluted shit you're referring to isn't the fault of common core any more than it's the Colonel's fault your fried chicken had a rat in it --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:894488447] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>now show the convoluted shit were all talking about. you wont. </quote> typically the problems you see circulating on social media are taken out of context. more to the point, the issue isn't with common core but how some teachers attempt to dash out the standards the convoluted shit you're referring to isn't the fault of common core any more than it's the Colonel's fault your fried chicken had a rat in it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/21/18 10:38:56 AM #96:	I didn't realize shitty facebook reposts were on the common core website. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:894488467] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote>I didn't realize shitty facebook reposts were on the common core website.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 10:41:47 AM #97:	BignutzisBack posted... wackyteen posted... Common core math looks like a smart way to do it On paper But if I'm adding numbers in my head I'm not juggling a stack of 5 numbers and equations in my head 32-12 should be an immediate reaction, not a process This in the common core, you learn to do mental math, and the standard algorithm. ultimately, you DO do it in your head. there's a process that you go through AS YOU ARE LEARNING IT. it is not meant to be the way you always do it. it's about developing conceptual understanding as you develop the procedural fluency, and then you will ultimately use the standard algorithms / do it mentally as you would "normally" <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894488608] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote>Common core math looks like a smart way to do it On paper But if I'm adding numbers in my head I'm not juggling a stack of 5 numbers and equations in my head 32-12 should be an immediate reaction, not a process</quote> This</quote> in the common core, you learn to do mental math, and the standard algorithm. ultimately, you DO do it in your head. there's a process that you go through AS YOU ARE LEARNING IT. it is not meant to be the way you always do it. it's about developing conceptual understanding as you develop the procedural fluency, and then you will ultimately use the standard algorithms / do it mentally as you would "normally"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 01/21/18 10:43:24 AM #98:	27_Sandman_40 posted... this is 4 examples out of how many teachers / schools / students? also this is a set of problems taken out of the context of the entire curriculum and tells you nothing about where these fit into the entire process of teaching this content. study the entire curriculum and then come back with an analysis of its pros and cons <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:894488679] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> </quote> this is 4 examples out of how many teachers / schools / students? also this is a set of problems taken out of the context of the entire curriculum and tells you nothing about where these fit into the entire process of teaching this content. study the entire curriculum and then come back with an analysis of its pros and cons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prince_leo 01/21/18 10:51:48 AM #100:	27_Sandman_40 posted... This is what we're talking about when we say "taken out of context" for instance, in these two images the goal for the student is obviously to break down the numbers into the closest 10 so as to do mental math easier this is how any adult who is halfway decent at math should be doing. the point here is to help those kids who struggle to do mental math see a quick way in doing it. it's not expected for you to always do math this way, it's building fundamentals the same way you'll never in real life need to spell "disambiguation" without having access to a spell checker, but they make you learn it in elementary school 27_Sandman_40 posted... using context clues, we can assume that estimation was the point of the lesson and the student didn't follow the directions. it's not honest to cut off any directions that the worksheet possibly had given that this is question number #9 27_Sandman_40 posted... a quick google search shows you how to use models 27_Sandman_40 posted... this is just like the first set of images you posted. it's not like any of this means much to common core. it's literally just a set of standards. take for instance the above image with the decimal models. look at the standard it's referencing: http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/5/NBT/A/3/b/ pasted text here: Compare two decimals to thousandths based on meanings of the digits in each place, using >, =, and < symbols to record the results of comparisons. is that not a good thing for a fifth grader to be learning? your issue isn't with common core but with specific teaching methods certain instructors are using, which are then further taken out of context --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:894489014] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> </quote> This is what we're talking about when we say "taken out of context" for instance, in these two images the goal for the student is obviously to break down the numbers into the closest 10 so as to do mental math easier this is how any adult who is halfway decent at math should be doing. the point here is to help those kids who struggle to do mental math see a quick way in doing it. it's not expected for you to always do math this way, it's building fundamentals the same way you'll never in real life need to spell "disambiguation" without having access to a spell checker, but they make you learn it in elementary school <cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> </quote> using context clues, we can assume that estimation was the point of the lesson and the student didn't follow the directions. it's not honest to cut off any directions that the worksheet possibly had given that this is question number #9 <cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> </quote> a quick google search shows you how to use models <cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> </quote> this is just like the first set of images you posted. it's not like any of this means much to common core. it's literally just a set of standards. take for instance the above image with the decimal models. look at the standard it's referencing: http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/5/NBT/A/3/b/ pasted text here: Compare two decimals to thousandths based on meanings of the digits in each place, using >, =, and < symbols to record the results of comparisons. is that not a good thing for a fifth grader to be learning? your issue isn't with common core but with specific teaching methods certain instructors are using, which are then further taken out of context</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/21/18 10:53:10 AM #101:	27_Sandman_40 posted... COVxy posted... I didn't realize shitty facebook reposts were on the common core website. are you one of those people that go massive earthquake in california source: breitbert.com LOL breitbert ? No, I'm one of those people who cares about proper representation of the truth. You are decidedly not talking about common core. But you are calling it such. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:894489084] in Oh look, s... [t:76221068]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't realize shitty facebook reposts were on the common core website.</quote> are you one of those people that go massive earthquake in california source: breitbert.com LOL breitbert ?</quote> No, I'm one of those people who cares about proper representation of the truth. You are decidedly not talking about common core. But you are calling it such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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