Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 160: Government Letdown

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https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7t12e6/comment/dt9217v

Check out Deggit's post for an interesting timeline, the second post on the page. This suggests Donald tried to get rid of Mueller in his first or second week on the job.

You can also see some links there where news sources in June were close to how serious the situation was, but they couldn't quite put the pieces together unil now -- Donald's friend Ruddy said Donald considered getting rid of Mueller, Donald loses his patience with McGahn over the Russia investigation, that sort of thing.
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https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/956751895523020800

Is it just me, or does that last parenthetical aside really come across as not just insane but legitimately worrisome for his mental health?
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FFDragon posted...

not well before, but like 50 or so years yeah

That was lazy phrasing on my part, sorry. I meant more that i thought it had to be at least a couple decades.

Thanks for the timeline, tera
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I think Falwell was just riffing off of "Render unto Caesar what is Caeser's and unto God what is God's"
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/956751895523020800

Is it just me, or does that last parenthetical aside really come across as not just insane but legitimately worrisome for his mental health?

Got buried in the replies on this thread and found this one:

https://twitter.com/gdub1972/status/956875362843099136

Hilarious :)

Also the photo in question of him yelling is a photo he posed for. NYT is messed up for using his iwn photo to depict him?
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For reference with Hannity's picture:

https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/hannity.jpg
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Old but fun since we're talking Hannity. Just found this:

10/9/2018
MEDIA MATTERS - Study: Hannity?s treatment of Trump's Russia scandal takes an authoritarian turn

In Sean Hannity?s 61 Fox News opening monologues from May 15 through September 1:

Hannity suggested Trump did not collude with Russia in 31 of his monologues, 51 percent of the total.

Hannity called for Mueller?s investigation to be terminated in seven monologues, 11 percent of the total. He called it a ?witch hunt? 19 times.

Hannity claimed that Hillary Clinton is the candidate who actually colluded with Russia in 25 monologues, 41 percent of the total.

Hannity has regularly called for investigations into the perceived crimes of Clinton (25 monologues), Comey (17 monologues), and Mueller (seven monologues), among others.

Hannity?s top guest over the term of the study was Jay Sekulow, one of Trump?s personal lawyers for the Russia probe, who appeared in 37 episodes of the program.

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/10/09/study-hannity-s-treatment-trumps-russia-scandal-takes-authoritarian-turn/218177
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You sure that's old? Apparently it's from 9 months in the future.
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https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/765218844512251904
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Not_an_Owl posted...

You sure that's old? Apparently it's from 9 months in the future.

...can I blame this on not being able to C&P properly again? No? Okay, Deep State made me do it.
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Typo? What typo?

Harrich denies the typo ever happened. He doesn't just deny it, he completely denies it.
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Now check out this crazy car crash!
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HaRRicH posted...

Now check out this crazy car crash!

Paid for and funded by George Soros, no less!
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...Whoa @ the last 24 hours.

I mean, none of this is really a surprise, but having 100% confirmation of things is, uh... Interesting.
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Peace___Frog posted...

I'm unfortunately not super well versed in exactly when Jesus began preaching, but I'm pretty sure Caesar was dead well before Jesus came onto the scene.

"Caesar" was a title used by many Roman emperors (and survived even into the 20th century as czar/kaiser), including Tiberius Caesar Augustus, who reigned for pretty much the entire period Jesus was active.

I think it's kinda interesting that when people say "Caesar" we tend to think of Julius. Blame Shakespeare.
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NeoElfboy posted...

I think it's kinda interesting that when people say "Caesar" we tend to think of Julius. Blame Shakespeare.

And the calendar!
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NeoElfboy posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

I'm unfortunately not super well versed in exactly when Jesus began preaching, but I'm pretty sure Caesar was dead well before Jesus came onto the scene.

"Caesar" was a title used by many Roman emperors (and survived even into the 20th century as czar/kaiser), including Tiberius Caesar Augustus, who reigned for pretty much the entire period Jesus was active.

I think it's kinda interesting that when people say "Caesar" we tend to think of Julius. Blame Shakespeare.

I mean, the title itself is in homage to Julius, so it's extremely NOT weird.
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My impression of it is that if one does not preclude "Caesar" with an article, then you are referring to Julius, and not a subsequent ruler. "The Caesar" would be dependent upon adjacent contexts, whereas "Caesar" would refer to the one who the term descended from to begin with.
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Caesar? I barely know her.
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Yeah, Julius is the Caesar from which all others are derived.
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Dont forget the C section!
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Peace___Frog posted...

My impression of it is that if one does not preclude "Caesar" with an article, then you are referring to Julius, and not a subsequent ruler. "The Caesar" would be dependent upon adjacent contexts, whereas "Caesar" would refer to the one who the term descended from to begin with.

Jesus was 100% referring to Augustus.

I'm much better versed in old testament, so i wasn't aware that Jesus ever directly referred to the Roman emperor. I guess that's kind of silly of me though. So we can infer, then, that the tweet from the previous page is referring to Augustus.

It really doesn't matter and is nitpicky. I just thought it was odd. Thanks for the info, all.
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Peace___Frog posted...

I'm much better versed in old testament, so i wasn't aware that Jesus ever directly referred to the Roman emperor. I guess that's kind of silly of me though. So we can infer, then, that the tweet from the previous page is referring to Augustus.

It really doesn't matter and is nitpicky. I just thought it was odd. Thanks for the info, all.

yup. Someone can correct me on this part if they'd like, but I believe immediately before he asks who is on the coin, the reply is Caesar, and that is the catalyst for Christ telling him to render to Caesar what is his, because he was on it.

There's no clear answer what Caesar it is, as coins with Tiberius, Augustus, and Julius would have all been in circulation at the time.
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Also it's a story about how there should be a separation of church and state but people seem to forget that.
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Tax collectors are around, Jesus views a coin with "Caesar" 's face on it and remarks "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".

Now which Caesar had their face on the coin is widely debated, but also not really relevant.

Also, both Emperors Tiberius and Augustus are also mentioned in the gospels by name.
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https://twitter.com/calebecarma/status/957085350782033922

More fun with Tucker
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StealThisSheen posted...

There's no clear answer what Caesar it is, as coins with Tiberius, Augustus, and Julius would have all been in circulation at the time.

I can't imagine with howit went down at the end that they kept a lot of Julius coins in circulation after...

Terastodon posted...

Tax collectors are around, Jesus views a coin with "Caesar" 's face on it and remarks "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".

Now which Caesar had their face on the coin is widely debated, but also not really relevant.

Also, both Emperors Tiberius and Augustus are also mentioned in the gospels by name.

When is he mentioned? I knew Augustus was. I don't remember REMOTELY Tiberius ever spoke of by name.

ChampionCloud posted...

Terastodon posted...

Tax collectors are around, Jesus views a coin with "Caesar" 's face on it and remarks "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".

Now which Caesar had their face on the coin is widely debated, but also not really relevant.

Also, both Emperors Tiberius and Augustus are also mentioned in the gospels by name.

When is he mentioned? I knew Augustus was. I don't remember REMOTELY Tiberius ever spoke of by name.

Luke 3:1
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Luke 3:1 - In the fifteenth year of the reign of Emperor Tiberius, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea...
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Thx

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. But while you're at it render unto God all of Caesar's stuff too. Dominionism!"

SupremeZero posted...

I mean, the title itself is in homage to Julius, so it's extremely NOT weird.

I dunno that I agree with that! It's at least as much a homage to Augustus, who was the one who actually became emperor of Rome and ruled for decades, pretty much establishing the Roman Empire. It became a title because it was the family name of the first five emperors.

In an alternate reality where Marc Anthony becomes the first emperor of Rome instead, there's no way the name Caesar catches on as a title.
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NeoElfboy posted...

SupremeZero posted...

I mean, the title itself is in homage to Julius, so it's extremely NOT weird.

I dunno that I agree with that! It's at least as much a homage to Augustus, who was the one who actually became emperor of Rome and ruled for decades, pretty much establishing the Roman Empire. It became a title because it was the family name of the first five emperors.

In an alternate reality where Marc Anthony becomes the first emperor of Rome instead, there's no way the name Caesar catches on as a title.

Augustus specifically called himself "Imperator Caesar" because of Julius. It wasn't his own name. >_>
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Actually it was legally part of his name since his adoption by Julius.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Actually it was legally part of his name since his adoption by Julius.

Right, but what I mean is that the reasoning for dropping/changing his own name and emphasizing "Caesar" was to play up the political power of the name itself.

He kept dropping more and more of the rest to just emphasize "Caesar."
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But it was an actual name still. It wasn't a title then, is the point.
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redrocket_pub posted...

But it was an actual name still. It wasn't a title then, is the point.

Yes, but he basically used it as one.

Like, Neo's saying it's in homage to Augustus just as much, but Augustus himself was basically already going "Caesar means something, I'll just go by that." He used it because it was important moreso than he made it important.
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It was both. Because Augustus was literally just as important as Julius, and arguably more so.
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Semantics at its finest.
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redrocket_pub posted...

It was both. Because Augustus was literally just as important as Julius, and arguably more so.

Not back when Augustus was using Caesar to become emperor he wasn't.
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OK, politics topic.

This was a fun trip down religious and roman history.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Semantics at its finest.

But now we're back to where we're meant to be.
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geez sorry for bringing it up

So the gop is going to return donations from Wynn, just like they pressured democrats to do with weinstein, right?

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/917400514442260480
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This is totally politics

2000 year old politics, but still

In actual news, bomb blast in busy Kabul street earlier, death toll currently at 95.

And in a new Quinnipiac poll, 72% of republicans say that trump is a good role model for children.
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Peace___Frog posted...

So the gop is going to return donations from Wynn, just like they pressured democrats to do with weinstein, right?

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/917400514442260480

Pssh, don't count on it.

1/26/2018
TWITTER - Mike Drucker (Full Frontal, President Show, Adam Ruins Everything, Nintendo, Tonight Show, Bill Nye, Onion, SNL, IGN)

Just so we?re clear, Donald Trump has only liked 25 tweets on his personal, verified account. One about his close friend sexually harassing women and a bunch from himself https://t.co/eG1rAPgd8T

*TWO PICTURES OF DONALD?S LIKED TWEETS ON HIS ACCOUNT*

https://twitter.com/MikeDrucker/status/957080084208406528

Why quit now after supporting Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes, and Roy Moore last year? Nevermind his own accusations he weathered through during them all?
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Hate to hear it about Kabul. Any indication of who's responsible?

Do you have a link to that 72% poll?
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HaRRicH posted...

https://twitter.com/MikeDrucker/status/957080084208406528

Why quit now after supporting Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes, and Roy Moore last year? Nevermind his own accusations he weathered through during them all?

From my understanding, they're not so much friends as allies of convenience. Trump reportedly holds grudges against him due to perceived slights from years ago. Don't forget, he fashions himself as a sort of mob boss.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2516

Question #16 is the role model q. Lots of other things in there, including the direct relationship between age and response to that question (older people are more likely to say yes, he is a good role model). Similarly, looking at q #14, it's been pretty consistently low 60s percent of people that think trump provides moral leadership, since August (see trend below question). There's been little shift in the last 5 months, so the gop is doing a great job weathering all their self-made moral crises.

Looking like the Taliban is claiming the Kabul attack.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42843897

A suicide bombing has killed at least 95 people and injured 158 others in the centre of Afghanistan's capital, Kabul, officials say.

Attackers drove an ambulance laden with explosives past a police checkpoint in a secure zone, home to government offices and foreign embassies.

[...]

The Taliban have said they carried out the attack, the deadliest for months.

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