Current Events > As a generalization do you believe life is harder for black people than white?

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Nomadic View posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Life isn't harder for black people.

Life is harder for inner city poor people that are growing up in violent places with shit schools and little wealth, which is disproportionately populated by black people.

I don't come from the city, and the black people from my area grew up just like everybody else did.

"The only real color that matters is green!"

Lmao fuck outta here.

Yeah, thats true. A rich black kid has it a lot easier than a poor white kid.

If you want to talk in generalities, yeah, black people have it harder simply because as a whole black families are poorer than white families. But taken on an individual basis then it really just boils down to socioeconomic status.

As a black man who grew up in Newark, this. I got hassled a lot when I moved to a white neighborhood for no reason though
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Omnislasher posted...

it is and not a matter of opinion.
you can accept or deny reality.

Eh, something as vague as "life is harder" can be interpreted in different ways. Especially since its a generalization, so neither a simple yes or no is 100% correct.

FrisbeeDude posted...

Nomadic View posted...

White.

Ok. Frankly, you're not equipped to understand, so I can understand why you feel that way.

How does him being white invalidate what he said or mean that he couldn't understand?

LJRENEGADE posted...

Eh, something as vague as "life is harder" can be interpreted in different ways. Especially since its a generalization, so neither a simple yes or no is 100% correct.

Well one must be correct.

We're in one timeline
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UnfairRepresent posted...

LJRENEGADE posted...

Eh, something as vague as "life is harder" can be interpreted in different ways. Especially since its a generalization, so neither a simple yes or no is 100% correct.

Well one must be correct.

We're in one timeline

People are individuals, so no generalization is gonna be 100% correct, especially when we're talking about a race since that's so many people we're talking about. You know, unless its something there's no arguing with like "all black people are black people". And since the question itself of "do they have it harder" was pretty vague, there's more room for people to disagree and both sides can be right to an extent.

I just don't think "black people have it harder than white people" or "black people don't have it harder than white people" are specific or clear enough to call either 100% correct. Both can be correct and incorrect in different ways.

Black people don't have it any harder than white people.

Being poor makes life harder than if you don't make a comfortable wage.

Black on black crime, yada yada. That's just violence and crime in poor neighborhoods.

Nearly every single example of black vs white and who has it harder/easier isn't race related but based on class and income.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

The people voting that black lives aren't harder would never in a million years swap races.

tbf, I'm black, and I wouldn't swap races with anyone
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topics like these are always so irritating

people really do think it's just a matter of money

like, how out-of-touch with reality are you guys
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ITT: CE going full CE

This is why minorities tend to only discuss these things amongst ourselves
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UnfairRepresent posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

The people voting that black lives aren't harder would never in a million years swap races.

indeed

Also this.

"Y'all have it good! Affirmative action, obamaphones, subsidized housing, welfare!"

"Would you like to switch"?

....

So if you're secure with your life that means you're racist?

I don't think many people period want to switch races.

You'd be hard pressed to find a white person in America willing to swap races with a minority. Reason being is the fact that minorities are seen differently by the majority, even if all other factors are equal.

No question in my mind that it is
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Are people really arguing that there are No important social aspects of race that make life harder? It's all about the money? That's simply not accurate and that view won't stand up to the slightest push back. Y'all really really live in a bubble.
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ProtoManSPx posted...

You'd be hard pressed to find a white person in America willing to swap races with a minority. Reason being is the fact that minorities are seen differently by the majority, even if all other factors are equal.

But by extension you're implying most minorities would choose to be white if they had the choice.

I don't think this is true.

I mean most women would say they are treated worse than men but they still want to be women. Its who they are.

In fact there are more transwomen than transmen

You seem to be using attachment to one's indentity as an argument for admitting racism... I don't think that adds up.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

CE has this topic like every month and white people always win the poll as having it harder.

Basically. Sometimes a random unrelated contender comes up. Like being a conservative.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But by extension you're implying most minorities would choose to be white if they had the choice.

I don't think this is true.

You never saw the White Jesus episode of the Boondocks, have you? Uncle Ruckus is a lot more common than you think.

Also, Black Mormons.
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Yes it's true BUT... nobody will own up to it if and when it ever DOES change.

Apparently there's too much fun to be had with the "I'm hardcore/awesome/cool because life is tougher for me." point of view. Must be exciting.

BB mofo posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

But by extension you're implying most minorities would choose to be white if they had the choice.

I don't think this is true.

You never saw the White Jesus episode of the Boondocks, have you? Uncle Ruckus is a lot more common than you think.

Also, Black Mormons.

A comedy cartoon is evidence supporting your conclusion?
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Nomadic View posted...

BB mofo posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

But by extension you're implying most minorities would choose to be white if they had the choice.

I don't think this is true.

You never saw the White Jesus episode of the Boondocks, have you? Uncle Ruckus is a lot more common than you think.

Also, Black Mormons.

A comedy cartoon is evidence supporting your conclusion?

"Nothing funny or animated can have a valid point. Let's focus on the messenger in an effort to ignore the message!"

Nomadic View posted...

A comedy cartoon is evidence supporting your conclusion?

Sums up the entire stance quite well really.
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TheGrindery posted...

Nomadic View posted...

BB mofo posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

But by extension you're implying most minorities would choose to be white if they had the choice.

I don't think this is true.

You never saw the White Jesus episode of the Boondocks, have you? Uncle Ruckus is a lot more common than you think.

Also, Black Mormons.

A comedy cartoon is evidence supporting your conclusion?

"Nothing funny or animated can have a valid point. Let's focus on the messenger in an effort to ignore the message!"

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It was 40-50 years ago. Not anymore.
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At this point the problems within black culture, if we're generalizing here, is of their own choosing.

Hard to say if someone's life is harder when they actually seem to prefer it a certain way.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

You'd be hard pressed to find a white person in America willing to swap races with a minority. Reason being is the fact that minorities are seen differently by the majority, even if all other factors are equal.

But by extension you're implying most minorities would choose to be white if they had the choice.

I don't think this is true.

I mean most women would say they are treated worse than men but they still want to be women. Its who they are.

In fact there are more transwomen than transmen

You seem to be using attachment to one's indentity as an argument for admitting racism... I don't think that adds up.

Ehh, I wouldn't say "most" minorities.

And by extension I'd actually be implying some minorities would more likely be less opposed to swapping races with white, not that they'd flat out choose it over whatever.

zH0mPfR posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

The people voting that black lives aren't harder would never in a million years swap races.

Get out.

Its true.
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Asperity posted...

zH0mPfR posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

The people voting that black lives aren't harder would never in a million years swap races.

Get out.

Its true.

he's referencing the movie
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boxington posted...

Asperity posted...

zH0mPfR posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

The people voting that black lives aren't harder would never in a million years swap races.

Get out.

Its true.

he's referencing the movie

So far weve got a cartoon and suspense movie being used as justification. Can we get some nursery rhymes too?
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Nomadic View posted...

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Well bah bah blacksheep is clearly racist
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Nomadic View posted...

boxington posted...

Asperity posted...

zH0mPfR posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

The people voting that black lives aren't harder would never in a million years swap races.

Get out.

Its true.

he's referencing the movie

So far weve got a cartoon and suspense movie being used as justification. Can we get some nursery rhymes too?

nah, I mean he wrote "Get Out" as a reference to Get Out, where white people kidnapped black people to take over their bodies

I don't think that he was being serious.
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If you're a black person who wants to work hard and you graduate high school, you are absolutely bombarded with opportunity. There is organization upon organization that will do whatever they can to get you into college and get you into the workforce.
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Nomadic View posted...

So far weve got a cartoon and suspense movie being used as justification.

Justification about what?
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r4X0r posted...

If you're a black person who wants to work hard and you graduate high school, you are absolutely bombarded with opportunity. There is organization upon organization that will do whatever they can to get you into college and get you into the workforce.

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r4X0r posted...

If you're a black person who wants to work hard and you graduate high school, you are absolutely bombarded with opportunity. There is organization upon organization that will do whatever they can to get you into college and get you into the workforce.

can you elaborate with more specifics? maybe you have some info that'll directly benefit me.
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r4X0r posted...

If you're a black person who wants to work hard and you graduate high school, you are absolutely bombarded with opportunity. There is organization upon organization that will do whatever they can to get you into college and get you into the workforce.

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so people who say only money matters just think everyone else is making it up / imagining it?

Fam_Fam posted...

so people who say only money matters just think everyone else is making it up / imagining it?

Absolutely not. I dont deny at all that people may encounter mistreatment for no reason other than their race. While there are also instances where someone was mistreated for a completely unrelated reason, but the victim used race as a justification for it.

Generally people are treated in relation to how they present themselves and based upon their socioeconomic status.

Just to use the most obvious example, Obamas children have many more opportunities and access to success than mine. Thats perfectly understandable and reasonable, he was the president of the United States. That socioeconomic status obviously carries more weight than race ever would. That is the most extreme example, but that same principle is being carried out on a macro scale of all levels of society. Prestige is what matters.
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Nomadic View posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

so people who say only money matters just think everyone else is making it up / imagining it?

Absolutely not. I dont deny at all that people may encounter mistreatment for no reason other than their race. While there are also instances where someone was mistreated for a completely unrelated reason, but the victim used race as a justification for it.

Generally people are treated in relation to how they present themselves and based upon their socioeconomic status.

Just to use the most obvious example, Obamas children have many more opportunities and access to success than mine. Thats perfectly understandable and reasonable, he was the president of the United States. That socioeconomic status obviously carries more weight than race ever would. That is the most extreme example, but that same principle is being carried out on a macro scale of all levels of society. Prestige is what matters.

so you agree life is harder for black people, as there are situations where they are mistreated solely because of their race (and could be for other reasons). Do you think michelle obama doesn't get any hate, solely because of her race? She's wealthy, so she shouldn't, right?

Literally arguing about Michelle Obama
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Isn't it past your bed time TC

'Looks at redlining, disproportionate policing practices, disproportionate job opportunities, disproportionate loaning practices, disproportionate sentencing for drug crimes, disproportionate treatment in schools, and the like'

Huh, ya think
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Draje posted...

'Looks at redlining, disproportionate policing practices, disproportionate job opportunities, disproportionate loaning practices, disproportionate sentencing for drug crimes, disproportionate treatment in schools, and the like'

Huh, ya think

As we speak US President and human being Donald Trump is bragging that black unemployment is at it's lowest ever in history
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Blacks have the easiest path to college.
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