Current Events > NSA and Trump want to nationalize 5G wireless network

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/politics/trump-nationalize-5g/index.html

And the FCC is opposing it. Thank God. Tired of the NSA's bullshit excuses about terrorism.

Edit: NSC, not NSA.

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Why is this a bad thing
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Someone needs to disband the FCC at this point
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eston posted...

Why is this a bad thing

Because the NSA doesn't need even more anti-privacy power, and centralizing 5G is a great way to ensure mobile networks will deteriorate in quality and accessibility over time. Free market is best market.

eston posted...

Why is this a bad thing

It's a socialist policy but it's Trump so everyone hates it.
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>Secure network
>Centralized in government

lol

NSA will direct all internet traffic through them...again

But this is the end game for internet. Let it be so.
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Is it gonna be actual 5G though or 5G.
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glitteringfairy posted...

Someone needs to disband the FCC at this point

Nope, FCC is right on this one.

Rexdragon125 posted...

>Secure network
>Centralized in government

lol

Exactly.

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

NSA will direct all internet traffic through them...again

But this is the end game for internet. Let it be so.

Nah fuck that noise and fuck the NSA lol

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Is it gonna be actual 5G though or 5G.

Any time the government does something, it's a safe bet to put it in quotation marks.

"National security"
"Affordable healthcare
"Jobs"

FLUFFYGERM posted...

eston posted...

Why is this a bad thing

Because the NSA doesn't need even more anti-privacy power, and centralizing 5G is a great way to ensure mobile networks will deteriorate in quality and accessibility over time. Free market is best market.

Weren't people just bitching about losing net neutrality?
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So now nationalizing things is a good thing?
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creativerealms posted...

So now nationalizing things is a good thing?

This is a bad thing. Some things need to be nationalized, like roads and other types of transportation infrastructure. But this is not one of those things.

@averagejoel

Curious on your thoughts on this.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

creativerealms posted...

So now nationalizing things is a good thing?

This is a bad thing. Some things need to be nationalized, like roads and other types of transportation infrastructure. But this is not one of those things.

Oh I agree. And comparing it to net neutrality isn't fair. NN wasn't nationalizing it was just a way to keep any group from having too much control.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Some things need to be nationalized, like roads and other types of transportation infrastructure.

Why?

Um, the article says the NSC, which is the National Security Council. Are they part of the NSA?
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NSC != NSA

all caps
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Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.
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r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

I personally don't have objections to the idea (although obviously the devil is in the details).
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...
NSA will direct all internet traffic through them...again

But this is the end game for internet. Let it be so.

Nah fuck that noise and fuck the NSA lol

They've done it before x.x

But the fight between government and big business should be neat. Maybe contracts can be sold to be big guys and they can fight with each other like good capitalists. Makes the net neutrality repeal useless
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Anteaterking posted...

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

I personally don't have objections to the idea (although obviously the devil is in the details).

I only have objections to double standards. When the Democrats wanted more control over the Internet, nobody on the left had an issue with it.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Some things need to be nationalized, like roads and other types of transportation infrastructure.

Why?

Is there evidence that a private entity can provide nation-scale road/bridge/etc infrastructure at at least the cost and quality of the one we have now?

SK8T3R215 posted...

Um, the article says the NSC, which is the National Security Council. Are they part of the NSA?

Yeah, it's a derp on my part. That's what I get for reading too fast. NSC, not NSA.

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

Yeah I'm against nationalizing internet access in any form whatsoever. Doesn't matter who proposes it. In the same way, I'm against stunting the progress of solar energy and electric vehicles and autonomous driving no matter who proposes actions against those things.

r4X0r posted...

Anteaterking posted...

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

I personally don't have objections to the idea (although obviously the devil is in the details).

I only have objections to double standards. When the Democrats wanted more control over the Internet, nobody on the left had an issue with it.

I'm a conservative and I oppose that all the time, 24/7.

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

Regulating it to keep companies from taking advantage of the American people is very different this.
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r4X0r posted...

Anteaterking posted...

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

I personally don't have objections to the idea (although obviously the devil is in the details).

I only have objections to double standards. When the Democrats wanted more control over the Internet, nobody on the left had an issue with it.

I'm not seeing lots of Democrats having an issue with it.
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creativerealms posted...

Oh I agree. And comparing it to net neutrality isn't fair. NN wasn't nationalizing it was just a way to keep any group from having too much control.

My net neutrality comment was in regards to TC claiming the free market is the best market
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creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

Regulating it to keep companies from taking advantage of the American people is very different this.

That's a bullshit talking point. Let's be real. Leftists want to control it for the purpose of censorship and more effective propaganda dissemination, just like the far right would. They don't really give a damn about the American people.

Competition in the free market is what takes the best care of the American people.

"Socialism is good"
Trump wants to socialize 5G
"What a monster!"
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Bullet_Wing posted...

r4X0r posted...

Anteaterking posted...

r4X0r posted...

Funny how government spending on infrastructure is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it. Funny how regulating Internet access like a utility is a great idea when it's Democrats that propose it.

I personally don't have objections to the idea (although obviously the devil is in the details).

I only have objections to double standards. When the Democrats wanted more control over the Internet, nobody on the left had an issue with it.

Net neutrality wasn't control over the internet. It was guidelines preventing ISPs from fucking us. This is a flat power grab in which the government would control the entire network and rent ISPs access

Net neutrality is about control.

Youre not gonna be invaded unless youre doing shady shit.

Ill take a guy 300 miles away peeping at my grandma if it means a subway car full of people arent blown to pieces.

We live in a world where one person can cause so much destruction. You can stick to your privacy principles, but Id rather know if my neighbor is mailing nail bombs.

Youre not gonna be publicly outed for doing weird shit. Go ahead and muck up the war on terror because youre ashamed of your anime babe body pillows.

CrimsonRage posted...

s0nicfan posted...

"Socialism is bad"
Trump wants to socialize 5G
"Wow that's awesome!"

see i can do it too

That's fair, but are you honestly suggesting that people on the left aren't going to take issue with this? The very fact that Trump supports it guarantees at least a few hitpieces on major networks. I can't think of a single thing Trump has done that hasn't at least gotten negative CNN coverage.
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CrimsonRage posted...

damn what did i do to make proudclad hate me more than averagejoel

Nothing. Your question was just so unbelievably stupid that I didn't think it deserved a response. Like seriously, you really think this was my first criticism of Trump? Have you seen and collected all of my posts about Trump in order to say whether or not it was my first criticism? If you'd been collecting my posts to begin with you'd have known what my views are on all kinds of things, like environmental preservation, renewable energy, space exploration, etc. And if you weren't paying attention to my posts, maybe you should've realized that and not actually asked such a sweeping question.

Also note that your opinion is of so little value to me (on any topic) that I'm only responding to you now because of your repeated posts in this topic.

s0nicfan posted...

That's fair, but are you honestly suggesting that people on the left aren't going to take issue with this?

It depends on how it's implemented. We don't have enough details at this point to say much about it.

Like, obviously there would be versions of this where it wouldn't be "hypocritical" to be against it.
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CrimsonRage posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

s0nicfan posted...

"Socialism is bad"
Trump wants to socialize 5G
"Wow that's awesome!"

see i can do it too

That's fair, but are you honestly suggesting that people on the left aren't going to take issue with this? The very fact that Trump supports it guarantees at least a few hitpieces on major networks. I can't think of a single thing Trump has done that hasn't at least gotten negative CNN coverage.

we'll just have to see. honestly there's also a chance they might not report it at all. if there's no outrage, cnn isn't interested.

Are we ignoring the fact that the TC linked to a CNN article on this very topic in the very first post?
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Tax paid steady internet!
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Terrible idea and any so called small government conservative should be called out if they support it.

Tropicalwood posted...

It's a socialist policy but it's Trump so everyone hates it.

*audible sucking sounds*
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Is it gonna be actual 5G though or 5G.

Any time the government does something, it's a safe bet to put it in quotation marks.

"National security"
"Affordable healthcare
"Jobs"

I mean telephone companies have been talking about rolling out 5G iirc but its not real 5G.
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CrimsonRage posted...

i was thinking more about CNN the network. the CNN site actually has varied articles and has posted complementary stories about Trump before.

Ah okay, then you're right that it'll depend on the outrage level. Given that the FCC chief opposes it, the story probably ends there unless it's a slow news night and they want to run a "look how Trump's own government doesn't support him" story.
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