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pres_madagascar 02/01/18 8:08:52 AM #1:	... This shit recently about women deserving awards and stuff just because they're women and not based on actual merit makes zero fucking sense. It's like participation trophies in little league. --- http://i.imgur.com/23CCcZB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32mwCo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oqklqKC.jpg <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:895234866] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>... This shit recently about women deserving awards and stuff just because they're women and not based on actual merit makes zero fucking sense. It's like participation trophies in little league.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/01/18 8:09:39 AM #2:	Wut? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:895234895] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Wut?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 02/01/18 8:09:49 AM #3:	Liberal America --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:895234904] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Liberal America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 8:10:41 AM #4:	Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895234932] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 02/01/18 8:13:05 AM #5:	scar the 1 posted... Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though. That and the Grammy awards. --- http://i.imgur.com/23CCcZB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32mwCo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oqklqKC.jpg <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:895235007] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though.</quote> That and the Grammy awards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 8:13:57 AM #6:	pres_madagascar posted... scar the 1 posted... Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though. That and the Grammy awards. What's more specifically the suggestion there, with source? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895235036] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though.</quote> That and the Grammy awards.</quote> What's more specifically the suggestion there, with source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 02/01/18 8:16:32 AM #7:	scar the 1 posted... pres_madagascar posted... scar the 1 posted... Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though. That and the Grammy awards. What's more specifically the suggestion there, with source? --- http://i.imgur.com/23CCcZB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32mwCo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oqklqKC.jpg <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:895235118] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you referring to the pioneer award thing? Yeah, it was silly to propose that it should be given to all women. I can't think of a lot of people that would champion such ideas seriously, though.</quote> That and the Grammy awards.</quote> What's more specifically the suggestion there, with source?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 8:34:19 AM #8:	Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895235731] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 8:40:51 AM #9:	scar the 1 posted... Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no? Except that's not only subjective in the first place, there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. CNN's article suggests that women should get awards literally just for being women. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895235970] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no?</quote> Except that's not only subjective in the first place, there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. CNN's article suggests that women should get awards literally just for being women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 8:43:43 AM #10:	darkjedilink posted... scar the 1 posted... Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no? Except that's not only subjective in the first place, there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. CNN's article suggests that women should get awards literally just for being women. It's very easy to hide behind subjectiveness. But I don't expect you to subscribe to any notion of the other side of the argument. Let's just disagree peacefully :) --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895236077] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no?</quote> Except that's not only subjective in the first place, there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. CNN's article suggests that women should get awards literally just for being women.</quote> It's very easy to hide behind subjectiveness. But I don't expect you to subscribe to any notion of the other side of the argument. Let's just disagree peacefully :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 8:52:30 AM #11:	scar the 1 posted... darkjedilink posted... scar the 1 posted... Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no? Except that's not only subjective in the first place, there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. CNN's article suggests that women should get awards literally just for being women. It's very easy to hide behind subjectiveness. But I don't expect you to subscribe to any notion of the other side of the argument. Let's just disagree peacefully :) Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895236395] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, but this seems like a whole different complaint than "the pioneer award should go to all women". This looks more like they're saying that female musicians aren't getting the recognition they deserve, no?</quote> Except that's not only subjective in the first place, there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. CNN's article suggests that women should get awards literally just for being women.</quote> It's very easy to hide behind subjectiveness. But I don't expect you to subscribe to any notion of the other side of the argument. Let's just disagree peacefully :)</quote> Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 9:01:32 AM #12:	darkjedilink posted... Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women? Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. I can clarify my stance if you want: Art in general has been shaped by men throughout history. So much so that entire disciplines of art have been considered "lesser" because they're primarily done by women (reduced to craft that one does in the home). This is quite natural since men have been the ones evaluating art, as well as the ones doing the art. So it's become somewhat of a feedback loop, and resulted in a skewed sense of what "art", or "quality" means. So just as it might sound perfectly reasonable that only men get awards because they happened to be the best this year, we have to remember that the standards with which we assess art (or music, in this case) aren't infallible. They come from norms and traditions deeply rooted in history. See the feedback loop I'm trying to describe? I'm not great at explaining this, especially not in a second language. So what this can lead to is an opinion that awards such as the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever are not just evaluating the works according to some intangible standards, they are also part of implicitly defining those standards. Mind you, this is not necessarily a feminist argument. It's along the same lines with e.g., people of color and the Oscars. All in all I think it's important that to have any sort of discussion like this the parties first need to agree with the purpose and function of awards. I hope I made myself clear, not trying to say you're wrong or anything. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895236695] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women?</quote> Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. I can clarify my stance if you want: Art in general has been shaped by men throughout history. So much so that entire disciplines of art have been considered "lesser" because they're primarily done by women (reduced to craft that one does in the home). This is quite natural since men have been the ones evaluating art, as well as the ones doing the art. So it's become somewhat of a feedback loop, and resulted in a skewed sense of what "art", or "quality" means. So just as it might sound perfectly reasonable that only men get awards because they happened to be the best this year, we have to remember that the standards with which we assess art (or music, in this case) aren't infallible. They come from norms and traditions deeply rooted in history. See the feedback loop I'm trying to describe? I'm not great at explaining this, especially not in a second language. So what this can lead to is an opinion that awards such as the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever are not just evaluating the works according to some intangible standards, they are also part of implicitly defining those standards. Mind you, this is not necessarily a feminist argument. It's along the same lines with e.g., people of color and the Oscars. All in all I think it's important that to have any sort of discussion like this the parties first need to agree with the purpose and function of awards. I hope I made myself clear, not trying to say you're wrong or anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 02/01/18 9:04:46 AM #13:	darkjedilink posted... there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year. That sounds like a well deserved backlash tbqh --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:895236836] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>there's a backlash against the guy running the awards for daring to suggest that women actually didn't deserve recognition this year.</quote> That sounds like a well deserved backlash tbqh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pastryarchy 02/01/18 9:09:28 AM #14:	scar the 1 posted... darkjedilink posted... Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women? Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. It's simple. If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year. It's when individuals of a gender never win that should be concerning. --- Let them eat cake. http://tryimg.com/8/2017/06/05/3BY9w.gif http://tryimg.com/8/2017/06/05/3Bstc.jpg <cite>Pastryarchy posted [p:895237011] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women?</quote> Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this.</quote> It's simple. If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year. It's when individuals of a gender never win that should be concerning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 02/01/18 9:10:23 AM #15:	scar the 1 posted... darkjedilink posted... Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women? Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. I can clarify my stance if you want: Art in general has been shaped by men throughout history. So much so that entire disciplines of art have been considered "lesser" because they're primarily done by women (reduced to craft that one does in the home). This is quite natural since men have been the ones evaluating art, as well as the ones doing the art. So it's become somewhat of a feedback loop, and resulted in a skewed sense of what "art", or "quality" means. So just as it might sound perfectly reasonable that only men get awards because they happened to be the best this year, we have to remember that the standards with which we assess art (or music, in this case) aren't infallible. They come from norms and traditions deeply rooted in history. See the feedback loop I'm trying to describe? I'm not great at explaining this, especially not in a second language. So what this can lead to is an opinion that awards such as the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever are not just evaluating the works according to some intangible standards, they are also part of implicitly defining those standards. Mind you, this is not necessarily a feminist argument. It's along the same lines with e.g., people of color and the Oscars. All in all I think it's important that to have any sort of discussion like this the parties first need to agree with the purpose and function of awards. I hope I made myself clear, not trying to say you're wrong or anything. this is absolutely correct, but I would like to add that novels were initially looked down on in this way (largely because many of the people who wrote them were women) and now they're probably the most popular form of literature --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:895237046] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women?</quote> Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. I can clarify my stance if you want: Art in general has been shaped by men throughout history. So much so that entire disciplines of art have been considered "lesser" because they're primarily done by women (reduced to craft that one does in the home). This is quite natural since men have been the ones evaluating art, as well as the ones doing the art. So it's become somewhat of a feedback loop, and resulted in a skewed sense of what "art", or "quality" means. So just as it might sound perfectly reasonable that only men get awards because they happened to be the best this year, we have to remember that the standards with which we assess art (or music, in this case) aren't infallible. They come from norms and traditions deeply rooted in history. See the feedback loop I'm trying to describe? I'm not great at explaining this, especially not in a second language. So what this can lead to is an opinion that awards such as the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever are not just evaluating the works according to some intangible standards, they are also part of implicitly defining those standards. Mind you, this is not necessarily a feminist argument. It's along the same lines with e.g., people of color and the Oscars. All in all I think it's important that to have any sort of discussion like this the parties first need to agree with the purpose and function of awards. I hope I made myself clear, not trying to say you're wrong or anything.</quote> this is absolutely correct, but I would like to add that novels were initially looked down on in this way (largely because many of the people who wrote them were women) and now they're probably the most popular form of literature</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 02/01/18 9:12:22 AM #16:	Pastryarchy posted... scar the 1 posted... darkjedilink posted... Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women? Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. It's simple. If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year. The people complaining don't want reason or equality, they want superiority by existence. I know few genuine feminists who think anything near what's being complained about. So, any form of common sense, like this, is useless on them. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:895237117] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pastryarchy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women?</quote> Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this.</quote> It's simple. If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year.</quote> The people complaining don't want reason or equality, they want superiority by existence. I know few genuine feminists who think anything near what's being complained about. So, any form of common sense, like this, is useless on them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 02/01/18 9:18:20 AM #17:	as somebody who also believes in equality, I don't gaf. these awards do nothing for me, but if they help somebody else's self-esteem, let them have it. am I missing something or is this just another trivial thing to complain about? is there some perks that come with these awards that I don't know about? --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:895237349] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>as somebody who also believes in equality, I don't gaf. these awards do nothing for me, but if they help somebody else's self-esteem, let them have it. am I missing something or is this just another trivial thing to complain about? is there some perks that come with these awards that I don't know about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 9:18:35 AM #18:	Pastryarchy posted... If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year. I disagree. I think this line of reasoning presupposes that the genders are on equal footing. Which I think they aren't. That said, I'm not condoning giving awards to only women. I just don't think the two scenarios are the same. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895237361] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pastryarchy posted...</cite> <quote>If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year.</quote> I disagree. I think this line of reasoning presupposes that the genders are on equal footing. Which I think they aren't. That said, I'm not condoning giving awards to only women. I just don't think the two scenarios are the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 9:26:08 AM #19:	scar the 1 posted... Pastryarchy posted... If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year. I disagree. I think this line of reasoning presupposes that the genders are on equal footing. Which I think they aren't. That said, I'm not condoning giving awards to only women. I just don't think the two scenarios are the same. So you're going to play the hypocrite, and have nothing meaningful to say. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895237691] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pastryarchy posted...</cite> <quote>If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year.</quote> I disagree. I think this line of reasoning presupposes that the genders are on equal footing. Which I think they aren't. That said, I'm not condoning giving awards to only women. I just don't think the two scenarios are the same.</quote> So you're going to play the hypocrite, and have nothing meaningful to say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 9:30:35 AM #20:	darkjedilink posted... scar the 1 posted... Pastryarchy posted... If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year. I disagree. I think this line of reasoning presupposes that the genders are on equal footing. Which I think they aren't. That said, I'm not condoning giving awards to only women. I just don't think the two scenarios are the same. So you're going to play the hypocrite, and have nothing meaningful to say. That's a very antagonistic and confusing thing to say to someone who's content with disagreeing. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895237920] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pastryarchy posted...</cite> <quote>If it's deemed condonable for an annual awards event to just coincidentally have all female winners one year (because their work showed deserving merit), then it should not cause alarm when all the winners happen to be male for the same reason the following year.</quote> I disagree. I think this line of reasoning presupposes that the genders are on equal footing. Which I think they aren't. That said, I'm not condoning giving awards to only women. I just don't think the two scenarios are the same.</quote> So you're going to play the hypocrite, and have nothing meaningful to say.</quote> That's a very antagonistic and confusing thing to say to someone who's content with disagreeing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 02/01/18 9:33:29 AM #21:	Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt. --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:895238042] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 9:37:47 AM #22:	NinjaBreakfast posted... Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt. So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.' --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895238221] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt.</quote> So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkprince45 02/01/18 9:37:49 AM #23:	Yeah except they aren't being snubbed. A GUY just happened to make a better album That would be like a woman directing a 0/10 movie and I directed a 10/10 movie. I win an award and she was snubbed because she's a woman. It's stupid --- Cubs, Rockies, Grizzlies, Patriots. <cite>darkprince45 posted [p:895238223] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Yeah except they aren't being snubbed. A GUY just happened to make a better album That would be like a woman directing a 0/10 movie and I directed a 10/10 movie. I win an award and she was snubbed because she's a woman. It's stupid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 02/01/18 9:38:21 AM #24:	NinjaBreakfast posted... Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt. Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from. --- http://i.imgur.com/23CCcZB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32mwCo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oqklqKC.jpg <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:895238251] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt.</quote> Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 02/01/18 9:41:50 AM #25:	darkjedilink posted... So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.' Dead serious, are you like 15? Less? pres_madagascar posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt. Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from. Well I don't get it then, seems like you are intentionally misrepresenting things to feel aggrieved. --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:895238395] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.'</quote> Dead serious, are you like 15? Less? <cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt.</quote> Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from.</quote> Well I don't get it then, seems like you are intentionally misrepresenting things to feel aggrieved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 02/01/18 9:42:58 AM #26:	NinjaBreakfast posted... darkjedilink posted... So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.' Dead serious, are you like 15? Less? pres_madagascar posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt. Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from. Well I don't get it then, seems like you are intentionally misrepresenting things to feel aggrieved. Nah, it's more of a i don't get it. A lot of how it's represented, at least by many media sources, comes off as a "just because" thing instead of a merit thing --- http://i.imgur.com/23CCcZB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32mwCo1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oqklqKC.jpg <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:895238445] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.'</quote> Dead serious, are you like 15? Less? <cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt.</quote> Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from.</quote> Well I don't get it then, seems like you are intentionally misrepresenting things to feel aggrieved.</quote> Nah, it's more of a i don't get it. A lot of how it's represented, at least by many media sources, comes off as a "just because" thing instead of a merit thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 02/01/18 9:46:06 AM #27:	I think it is pretty inherent in the objections that such people and outlets make that they feel quality female made music is being overlooked. Like it doesn't need to be explicitly stated at every opportunity that they don't want them winning "just because" as it goes without saying. --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:895238589] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>I think it is pretty inherent in the objections that such people and outlets make that they feel quality female made music is being overlooked. Like it doesn't need to be explicitly stated at every opportunity that they don't want them winning "just because" as it goes without saying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 9:46:56 AM #28:	NinjaBreakfast posted... darkjedilink posted... So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.' Dead serious, are you like 15? Less? pres_madagascar posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt. Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from. Well I don't get it then, seems like you are intentionally misrepresenting things to feel aggrieved. Call me a child because you can't argue the point. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895238621] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>So, you're argument is that the rules need to be changed for more women to win, but you don't have any reasing that isn't 'just because.'</quote> Dead serious, are you like 15? Less? <cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>Literally nobody says they should win awards 'just because'. Literally every such objection is based on exceptional work by females being routinely overlooked and such snubs being handwaved by vague allusions to merit based choices. As if thousands of old boys clubs haven't served their own interests for centuries. Like I hate dumb misrepresented arguments like itt.</quote> Considering, outside of hip hop, i prefer female vocalists, this isn't from a place you may think i'm coming from.</quote> Well I don't get it then, seems like you are intentionally misrepresenting things to feel aggrieved.</quote> Call me a child because you can't argue the point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 9:49:27 AM #29:	NinjaBreakfast posted... I think it is pretty inherent in the objections that such people and outlets make that they feel quality female made music is being overlooked. Like it doesn't need to be explicitly stated at every opportunity that they don't want them winning "just because" as it goes without saying. Except that's not what they're saying, if they literally frame it in '#metoo' and 'year of women' arguments. Case in point - how many awards must women win, regardless of quality, to be 'fair?' --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895238731] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>I think it is pretty inherent in the objections that such people and outlets make that they feel quality female made music is being overlooked. Like it doesn't need to be explicitly stated at every opportunity that they don't want them winning "just because" as it goes without saying.</quote> Except that's not what they're saying, if they literally frame it in '#metoo' and 'year of women' arguments. Case in point - how many awards must women win, regardless of quality, to be 'fair?'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 9:53:02 AM #30:	pres_madagascar posted... Nah, it's more of a i don't get it. A lot of how it's represented, at least by many media sources, comes off as a "just because" thing instead of a merit thing The media presents its arguments to get clicks, not to contribute to an actual discourse. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895238904] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote><cite>pres_madagascar posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, it's more of a i don't get it. A lot of how it's represented, at least by many media sources, comes off as a "just because" thing instead of a merit thing</quote> The media presents its arguments to get clicks, not to contribute to an actual discourse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 02/01/18 9:54:27 AM #31:	There will always be plausible deniability for troglodytes like you, though, so why even to argue? men win every award ever conceived for the rest of time "uhhhh obviously they were just better in the given year/category/phase of the moon!!? Absolutely nothing untoward could have happened, why don't you bitter feminists get over yourselves!!!" --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:895238977] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>There will always be plausible deniability for troglodytes like you, though, so why even to argue? men win every award ever conceived for the rest of time "uhhhh obviously they were just better in the given year/category/phase of the moon!!? Absolutely nothing untoward could have happened, why don't you bitter feminists get over yourselves!!!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/01/18 9:55:16 AM #32:	No reason for name calling --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:895239010] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>No reason for name calling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 9:57:03 AM #33:	Typical liberal hypocrisy itt. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895239087] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Typical liberal hypocrisy itt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 02/01/18 9:58:59 AM #34:	Dw @darkjedilink you will be embarrassed by your behaviour when you hit puberty :) --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:895239173] in I am 100% ... [t:76269052]...</cite> <quote>Dw @darkjedilink you will be embarrassed by your behaviour when you hit puberty :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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