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ZMythos 02/05/18 7:04:18 AM #1:	I mean, that saga was a mess to begin with, but I'm noticing a ton of inconsistency right now. Mystic Gohan is a transformation in Super, but was described by elder Kai as a massive power boost to his base form that doesn't require super sayian The existence of multiple supreme Kais in a universe Other World and the hundreds of fighters there implying the galaxy isn't empty but dbs saying it p much is Potara having a time limit (this one is the most obvious retcon) And they're fitting all of super between some of the final episodes of z. After kid buu but before the world martial arts tournament --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:895493149] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>I mean, that saga was a mess to begin with, but I'm noticing a ton of inconsistency right now. Mystic Gohan is a transformation in Super, but was described by elder Kai as a massive power boost to his base form that doesn't require super sayian The existence of multiple supreme Kais in a universe Other World and the hundreds of fighters there implying the galaxy isn't empty but dbs saying it p much is Potara having a time limit (this one is the most obvious retcon) And they're fitting all of super between some of the final episodes of z. After kid buu but before the world martial arts tournament</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 7:27:11 AM #2:	Didnt we have a Northern, Eastern, Southern, Western Supreme Kais and one above them in Z? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895493623] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Didnt we have a Northern, Eastern, Southern, Western Supreme Kais and one above them in Z?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 7:44:43 AM #3:	Mystic was never the same as base. It was just a permanent replacement for his base. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895493973] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Mystic was never the same as base. It was just a permanent replacement for his base.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrojanPony 02/05/18 8:15:30 AM #4:	Supreme Kai has always been Supreme Kai of the East, he's just called Supreme Kai the same way the brits don't specify Prime Minister of Great Britain. --- "GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site." - CJayC <cite>TrojanPony posted [p:895494778] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Supreme Kai has always been Supreme Kai of the East, he's just called Supreme Kai the same way the brits don't specify Prime Minister of Great Britain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rhylos 02/05/18 8:26:53 AM #5:	There were 5 supreme kais, just 4 of them were killed or absorbed by buu. It was a big plot point but now every universe only has one. Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. <cite>Rhylos posted [p:895495090] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>There were 5 supreme kais, just 4 of them were killed or absorbed by buu. It was a big plot point but now every universe only has one. Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 02/05/18 8:28:10 AM #6:	DBZ was made back in the 80s/90s. DBS is a tired attempt to continue the series 20 years later and it fucking sucks. Better to just not take it seriously. Almost everything about it is terrible, from the art, to the animations, to the story. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:895495140] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>DBZ was made back in the 80s/90s. DBS is a tired attempt to continue the series 20 years later and it fucking sucks. Better to just not take it seriously. Almost everything about it is terrible, from the art, to the animations, to the story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:28:37 AM #7:	Rhylos posted... Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895495153] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote>Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. </quote> why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/05/18 8:31:09 AM #8:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Rhylos posted... Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol How is that a plot hole? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:895495228] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote> Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. </quote> why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol</quote> How is that a plot hole?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 02/05/18 8:31:17 AM #9:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Mystic was never the same as base. It was just a permanent replacement for his base. Now that's even weirder, wasn't it suppose to mean Gohan was going to constantly be at his max no matter what and even if he trained he wouldn't get stronger and if he didn't train he wouldn't get weaker? Yet come the very next arc he's weaker than he was when he fought Cell to the point everybody makes fun of him for it even Cell himself mocks him for not having the power he showed off as a child anymore. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:895495230] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>Mystic was never the same as base. It was just a permanent replacement for his base.</quote> Now that's even weirder, wasn't it suppose to mean Gohan was going to constantly be at his max no matter what and even if he trained he wouldn't get stronger and if he didn't train he wouldn't get weaker? Yet come the very next arc he's weaker than he was when he fought Cell to the point everybody makes fun of him for it even Cell himself mocks him for not having the power he showed off as a child anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:33:53 AM #10:	lol it was never suggested gohan couldn't get any stronger after mystic characters have gotten stronger after potential unlocks multiple times before in the series (super holy water for goku, guru unlock for gohan and krilin, etc) --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895495312] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>lol it was never suggested gohan couldn't get any stronger after mystic characters have gotten stronger after potential unlocks multiple times before in the series (super holy water for goku, guru unlock for gohan and krilin, etc)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:34:35 AM #11:	A_Good_Boy posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... Rhylos posted... Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol How is that a plot hole? because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895495325] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote> Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. </quote> why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol</quote> How is that a plot hole?</quote> because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/05/18 8:35:33 AM #12:	Scotty_Rogers posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... Rhylos posted... Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol How is that a plot hole? because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus That's not a plot hole, that's just something you don't like. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:895495360] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote> Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. </quote> why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol </quote> How is that a plot hole?</quote> because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus</quote> That's not a plot hole, that's just something you don't like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:36:59 AM #13:	@A_Good_Boy posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... Rhylos posted... Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol How is that a plot hole? because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus That's not a plot hole, that's just something you don't like. I never even said whether or not I like it. It makes no sense why East Supreme Kai is the only Supreme Kai tied to Beerus; why would he conveniently be the only one linked to Beerus? It's unexplained and makes no sense, so it's a plothole. You should apologist better, lol. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895495410] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>@A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote> Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. </quote> why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol </quote> How is that a plot hole?</quote> because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus</quote> That's not a plot hole, that's just something you don't like.</quote> I never even said whether or not I like it. It makes no sense why East Supreme Kai is the only Supreme Kai tied to Beerus; why would he conveniently be the only one linked to Beerus? It's unexplained and makes no sense, so it's a plothole. You should apologist better, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 02/05/18 8:37:51 AM #14:	Apparently Potara is only permanent for Kais. Humans have the time limit. --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:895495431] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Apparently Potara is only permanent for Kais. Humans have the time limit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/05/18 8:39:15 AM #15:	Scotty_Rogers posted... @A_Good_Boy posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... Rhylos posted... Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol How is that a plot hole? because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus That's not a plot hole, that's just something you don't like. I never even said whether or not I like it. It makes no sense why East Supreme Kai is the only Supreme Kai tied to Beerus; why would he conveniently be the only one linked to Beerus? It's unexplained and makes no sense, so it's a plothole. You should apologist better, lol. That's just convenient storytelling. It's not a plothole because it doesn't contradict anything. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:895495470] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote> Don't forget that the god of destruction and the supreme kai are connected. It sure is a good thing buu didn't kill the one that matters. </quote> why is the east supreme kai the only one who matter? plot hole lol </quote> How is that a plot hole?</quote> because there is no reason why east supreme kai is the only supreme kai tied to beerus</quote> That's not a plot hole, that's just something you don't like.</quote> I never even said whether or not I like it. It makes no sense why East Supreme Kai is the only Supreme Kai tied to Beerus; why would he conveniently be the only one linked to Beerus? It's unexplained and makes no sense, so it's a plothole. You should apologist better, lol.</quote> That's just convenient storytelling. It's not a plothole because it doesn't contradict anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rhylos 02/05/18 8:40:13 AM #16:	It's implied that your full power can only be attained through transformations. The mystic powerup supposedly got rid of the need for transformations. Gohan could basically go one to one hundred at will. <cite>Rhylos posted [p:895495500] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>It's implied that your full power can only be attained through transformations. The mystic powerup supposedly got rid of the need for transformations. Gohan could basically go one to one hundred at will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:42:45 AM #17:	EndOfDiscOne posted... That's just convenient storytelling. It's an unexplained inconsistency in the logic of the story = plot hole. EndOfDiscOne posted... It's not a plothole because it doesn't contradict anything. It contradicts logic. All of the other Supreme Kai died with no effect on Beerus. When the East dies, however, Beerus dies. There's no explanation as to why the East is the only one who affects Beerus. Plot hole. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895495567] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>That's just convenient storytelling.</quote> It's an unexplained inconsistency in the logic of the story = plot hole. <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote> It's not a plothole because it doesn't contradict anything.</quote> It contradicts logic. All of the other Supreme Kai died with no effect on Beerus. When the East dies, however, Beerus dies. There's no explanation as to why the East is the only one who affects Beerus. Plot hole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/05/18 8:44:20 AM #18:	Steve Nick posted... DBZ was made back in the 80s/90s. DBS is a tired attempt to continue the series 20 years later and it fucking sucks. Better to just not take it seriously. Almost everything about it is terrible, from the art, to the animations, to the story. Man we usually agree on things but not this, I've enjoyed Super immensely. Consistency wise it's not much worse than Z and everything is an excuse to get to the next badass fight, just like Z. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:895495620] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote>DBZ was made back in the 80s/90s. DBS is a tired attempt to continue the series 20 years later and it fucking sucks. Better to just not take it seriously. Almost everything about it is terrible, from the art, to the animations, to the story.</quote> Man we usually agree on things but not this, I've enjoyed Super immensely. Consistency wise it's not much worse than Z and everything is an excuse to get to the next badass fight, just like Z.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:44:21 AM #19:	Rhylos posted... It's implied that your full power can only be attained through transformations. The mystic powerup supposedly got rid of the need for transformations. Gohan could basically go one to one hundred at will. You don't have to transform to become stronger. Mystic eliminated the need for Gohan to increase his power by transforming; that never implied he couldn't get any stronger without transforming. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895495622] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rhylos posted...</cite> <quote>It's implied that your full power can only be attained through transformations. The mystic powerup supposedly got rid of the need for transformations. Gohan could basically go one to one hundred at will.</quote> You don't have to transform to become stronger. Mystic eliminated the need for Gohan to increase his power by transforming; that never implied he couldn't get any stronger without transforming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/05/18 8:46:45 AM #20:	Scotty_Rogers posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... That's just convenient storytelling. It's an unexplained inconsistency in the logic of the story = plot hole. EndOfDiscOne posted... It's not a plothole because it doesn't contradict anything. It contradicts logic. All of the other Supreme Kai died with no effect on Beerus. When the East dies, however, Beerus dies. There's no explanation as to why the East is the only one who affects Beerus. Plot hole. No explanation given =/= plot hole. I don't think you know what a plot hole is. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:895495703] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>That's just convenient storytelling.</quote> It's an unexplained inconsistency in the logic of the story = plot hole. <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote> It's not a plothole because it doesn't contradict anything.</quote> It contradicts logic. All of the other Supreme Kai died with no effect on Beerus. When the East dies, however, Beerus dies. There's no explanation as to why the East is the only one who affects Beerus. Plot hole.</quote> No explanation given =/= plot hole. I don't think you know what a plot hole is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 8:57:56 AM #21:	@EndOfDiscOne posted... No explanation given =/= plot hole. No explanation given for something that ignores in-universe logic = plot hole. In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. East Supreme Kai sharing a life with Beerus when the other Supreme Kai didn't = logical inconsistency. Plot hole. Know your place and hold this L. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895496053] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>@EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>No explanation given =/= plot hole. No explanation given for something that ignores in-universe logic = plot hole.</quote> <quote>In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.</quote> East Supreme Kai sharing a life with Beerus when the other Supreme Kai didn't = logical inconsistency. Plot hole. Know your place and hold this L.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/05/18 8:59:08 AM #22:	It's almost like Toriyama doesn't remember what he writes. He was awful at it while not on a twenty year break. What makes anyone think he'd get better with such a time lapse? Scotty_Rogers posted... All of the other Supreme Kai died with no effect on Beerus. When the East dies, however, Beerus dies. There's no explanation as to why the East is the only one who affects Beerus. Plot hole. I presumed this was because he was the last one, so the connection defaulted to him after the others had been exterminated rather than him having it all along. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:895496099] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>It's almost like Toriyama doesn't remember what he writes. He was awful at it while not on a twenty year break. What makes anyone think he'd get better with such a time lapse? <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>All of the other Supreme Kai died with no effect on Beerus. When the East dies, however, Beerus dies. There's no explanation as to why the East is the only one who affects Beerus. Plot hole. </quote> I presumed this was because he was the last one, so the connection defaulted to him after the others had been exterminated rather than him having it all along.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CapnMuffin 02/05/18 9:05:36 AM #23:	voldothegr8 posted... Steve Nick posted... DBZ was made back in the 80s/90s. DBS is a tired attempt to continue the series 20 years later and it fucking sucks. Better to just not take it seriously. Almost everything about it is terrible, from the art, to the animations, to the story. Man we usually agree on things but not this, I've enjoyed Super immensely. Consistency wise it's not much worse than Z and everything is an excuse to get to the next badass fight, just like Z. Yeah go back and watch DBZ. Its really not much better tbh. Past-Self goggles et al. Super is a solid continuation of the franchise. --- "its okay a lizard ate me and elucidated my fate" - MJ_Max on Dark Souls 3DSFC : 0860-3930-2170 \| NNID : CapnMuffin \| XBGT : Capn Muffin <cite>CapnMuffin posted [p:895496295] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote>DBZ was made back in the 80s/90s. DBS is a tired attempt to continue the series 20 years later and it fucking sucks. Better to just not take it seriously. Almost everything about it is terrible, from the art, to the animations, to the story.</quote> Man we usually agree on things but not this, I've enjoyed Super immensely. Consistency wise it's not much worse than Z and everything is an excuse to get to the next badass fight, just like Z.</quote> Yeah go back and watch DBZ. Its really not much better tbh. Past-Self goggles et al. Super is a solid continuation of the franchise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 9:09:34 AM #24:	How do we know that Beerus wasnt effected? Because he didnt step in and helped? He was probably asleep. Perhaps we see so few Supreme Kais in the other universes because having more means that the God of Destructions power gets split as well. Beerus probably didnt care because everything in his universe is still weak as hell compared to one fifth of his power. With the other Supreme Kais dead, he would become stronger and be able to kill whatever killed the other ones. That was probably his plan if he had been awake. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895496414] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>How do we know that Beerus wasnt effected? Because he didnt step in and helped? He was probably asleep. Perhaps we see so few Supreme Kais in the other universes because having more means that the God of Destructions power gets split as well. Beerus probably didnt care because everything in his universe is still weak as hell compared to one fifth of his power. With the other Supreme Kais dead, he would become stronger and be able to kill whatever killed the other ones. That was probably his plan if he had been awake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 9:14:02 AM #25:	Funkydog posted... I presumed this was because he was the last one, so the connection defaulted to him after the others had been exterminated rather than him having it all along. That's just your head canon. Foppe posted... How do we know that Beerus wasnt effected? Because he didn't die. Perhaps we see so few Supreme Kais in the other universes because having more means that the God of Destructions power gets split as well. Beerus probably didnt care because everything in his universe is still weak as hell compared to one fifth of his power. With the other Supreme Kais dead, he would become stronger and be able to kill whatever killed the other ones. That was probably his plan if he had been awake. Your head canon. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895496571] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>I presumed this was because he was the last one, so the connection defaulted to him after the others had been exterminated rather than him having it all along. </quote> That's just your head canon. <cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>How do we know that Beerus wasnt effected? </quote> Because he didn't die. <quote>Perhaps we see so few Supreme Kais in the other universes because having more means that the God of Destructions power gets split as well. Beerus probably didnt care because everything in his universe is still weak as hell compared to one fifth of his power. With the other Supreme Kais dead, he would become stronger and be able to kill whatever killed the other ones. That was probably his plan if he had been awake.</quote> Your head canon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/05/18 9:17:35 AM #26:	Scotty_Rogers posted... That's just your head canon. I mean, if you are expecting a tightly woven story from Toriyama then you are going to be eternally disappointed. Either suck it up and ignore it, or use these little bits of headcanon to make the story not so awful. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:895496693] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>That's just your head canon. </quote> I mean, if you are expecting a tightly woven story from Toriyama then you are going to be eternally disappointed. Either suck it up and ignore it, or use these little bits of headcanon to make the story not so awful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 02/05/18 9:22:53 AM #27:	The only one thats could possibly be considered a retcon is the one about the multiple kais Everything else is giving a written explanation to an assumed one --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:895496906] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>The only one thats could possibly be considered a retcon is the one about the multiple kais Everything else is giving a written explanation to an assumed one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/05/18 9:27:15 AM #28:	Scotty_Rogers posted... @EndOfDiscOne posted... No explanation given =/= plot hole. No explanation given for something that ignores in-universe logic = plot hole. In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. East Supreme Kai sharing a life with Beerus when the other Supreme Kai didn't = logical inconsistency. Plot hole. Know your place and hold this L. There's nothing there that's logically inconsistent because nothing is contradicted by the revelation. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:895497072] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote> No explanation given =/= plot hole. No explanation given for something that ignores in-universe logic = plot hole.</quote> <quote> In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.</quote> East Supreme Kai sharing a life with Beerus when the other Supreme Kai didn't = logical inconsistency. Plot hole. Know your place and hold this L.</quote> There's nothing there that's logically inconsistent because nothing is contradicted by the revelation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 9:33:28 AM #29:	Why would he die if his life was connected to five persons and only three of them died? All Supreme Kais needs to die before Beerus die. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895497301] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Why would he die if his life was connected to five persons and only three of them died? All Supreme Kais needs to die before Beerus die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 02/05/18 9:35:11 AM #30:	ZMythos posted... Mystic Gohan is a transformation in Super, but was described by elder Kai as a massive power boost to his base form that doesn't require super sayian What? I personally always assume it was an on or off switch for Gohan. ZMythos posted... The existence of multiple supreme Kais in a universe How does this retcon? ZMythos posted... Potara having a time limit (this one is the most obvious retcon) Didn't they explain that having a God power gives it a time limit? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:895497362] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>Mystic Gohan is a transformation in Super, but was described by elder Kai as a massive power boost to his base form that doesn't require super sayian</quote> What? I personally always assume it was an on or off switch for Gohan. <cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>The existence of multiple supreme Kais in a universe</quote> How does this retcon? <cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>Potara having a time limit (this one is the most obvious retcon)</quote> Didn't they explain that having a God power gives it a time limit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 02/05/18 9:48:54 AM #31:	ZMythos posted... I mean, that saga was a mess to begin with, but I'm noticing a ton of inconsistency right now. Mystic Gohan is a transformation in Super, but was described by elder Kai as a massive power boost to his base form that doesn't require super sayian The existence of multiple supreme Kais in a universe Other World and the hundreds of fighters there implying the galaxy isn't empty but dbs saying it p much is Potara having a time limit (this one is the most obvious retcon) And they're fitting all of super between some of the final episodes of z. After kid buu but before the world martial arts tournament Beerus blew up a lot of planets, they were all dead. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:895497869] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, that saga was a mess to begin with, but I'm noticing a ton of inconsistency right now. Mystic Gohan is a transformation in Super, but was described by elder Kai as a massive power boost to his base form that doesn't require super sayian The existence of multiple supreme Kais in a universe Other World and the hundreds of fighters there implying the galaxy isn't empty but dbs saying it p much is Potara having a time limit (this one is the most obvious retcon) And they're fitting all of super between some of the final episodes of z. After kid buu but before the world martial arts tournament</quote> Beerus blew up a lot of planets, they were all dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 9:58:55 AM #32:	Beerus was in a contest with his brother about which universe that had the best food, so he went from planet to planet and threatened to blow up the planet if they couldnt give him the best food he ever tasted. And thats why we got so few planets with life in Super. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895498251] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Beerus was in a contest with his brother about which universe that had the best food, so he went from planet to planet and threatened to blow up the planet if they couldnt give him the best food he ever tasted. And thats why we got so few planets with life in Super.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:00:55 AM #33:	A_Good_Boy posted... There's nothing there that's logically inconsistent The other Supreme Kai not affecting Beerus is the logical inconsistency. It makes no sense why one Supreme Kai affects Beerus when the others don't. because nothing is contradicted by the revelation. The existence of the other Supreme Kai is contradicted. The revelation is that the lives of a universe's Supreme Kai and Destruction God are connected. The other Supreme Kai don't affect Beerus, so it's as if they were never Supreme Kai to begin with. Foppe posted... Why would he die if his life was connected to five persons and only three of them died? All Supreme Kais needs to die before Beerus die. More of your stupid head canon. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895498327] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing there that's logically inconsistent</quote> The other Supreme Kai not affecting Beerus is the logical inconsistency. It makes no sense why one Supreme Kai affects Beerus when the others don't. <quote> because nothing is contradicted by the revelation. </quote> The existence of the other Supreme Kai is contradicted. The revelation is that the lives of a universe's Supreme Kai and Destruction God are connected. The other Supreme Kai don't affect Beerus, so it's as if they were never Supreme Kai to begin with. <cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Why would he die if his life was connected to five persons and only three of them died? All Supreme Kais needs to die before Beerus die.</quote> More of your stupid head canon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:03:04 AM #34:	Veggeta X posted... How does this retcon? In DBZ, there were supposed to be five Supreme Kai in a universe. In DBS, there's only one in every universe. The number of Supreme Kais in a universe has been retconned. Veggeta X posted... Didn't they explain that having a God power gives it a time limit? Original manga: Potara has no time limit. DBS: Potara has a time limit. Blatant retcon. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895498412] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>How does this retcon? </quote> In DBZ, there were supposed to be five Supreme Kai in a universe. In DBS, there's only one in every universe. The number of Supreme Kais in a universe has been retconned. <cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't they explain that having a God power gives it a time limit? </quote> Original manga: Potara has no time limit. DBS: Potara has a time limit. Blatant retcon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 10:03:49 AM #35:	Prove it wrong. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895498440] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Prove it wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/05/18 10:06:13 AM #36:	Scotty, scotty... It's almost like Toriyama makes it up as he goes along and doesn't remember anything he's done before. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:895498534] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Scotty, scotty... It's almost like Toriyama makes it up as he goes along and doesn't remember anything he's done before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:06:14 AM #37:	Foppe posted... Prove it wrong. Nice appeal to ignorance. The burden of proof falls on you. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895498536] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Prove it wrong.</quote> Nice appeal to ignorance. The burden of proof falls on you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 10:07:34 AM #38:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Foppe posted... Prove it wrong. Nice appeal to ignorance. The burden of proof falls on you. Beerus is still alive, what more proof do you need? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895498576] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Prove it wrong.</quote> Nice appeal to ignorance. The burden of proof falls on you.</quote> Beerus is still alive, what more proof do you need?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/05/18 10:09:14 AM #39:	Clearly this is all Trunks' fault. His going back in time messed everything up, as Beerus SHOULD be dead now. Instead we have this messed up alter timeline we are watching where nothing makes sense. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:895498648] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Clearly this is all Trunks' fault. His going back in time messed everything up, as Beerus SHOULD be dead now. Instead we have this messed up alter timeline we are watching where nothing makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:14:49 AM #40:	Foppe posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... Foppe posted... Prove it wrong. Nice appeal to ignorance. The burden of proof falls on you. Beerus is still alive, what more proof do you need? That doesn't prove his life is tied to all Supreme Kai. It's only ever been said he's tied to the East. DBS pretends that the other Supreme Kai never existed at all. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895498895] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Prove it wrong.</quote> Nice appeal to ignorance. The burden of proof falls on you.</quote> Beerus is still alive, what more proof do you need?</quote> That doesn't prove his life is tied to all Supreme Kai. It's only ever been said he's tied to the East. DBS pretends that the other Supreme Kai never existed at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 02/05/18 10:17:20 AM #41:	Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default. --- http://darkvisionsofterror.bandcamp.com/ http://i.imgur.com/e7sCCSb.png http://i.imgtc.com/AlmbdTG49T.jpg <cite>VTBM posted [p:895499014] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:18:05 AM #42:	VTBM posted... Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default. Stop with the head canon. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895499056] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>VTBM posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default.</quote> Stop with the head canon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 02/05/18 10:20:59 AM #43:	Scotty_Rogers posted... VTBM posted... Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default. Stop with the head canon. Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default. --- http://darkvisionsofterror.bandcamp.com/ http://i.imgur.com/e7sCCSb.png http://i.imgtc.com/AlmbdTG49T.jpg <cite>VTBM posted [p:895499180] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VTBM posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default.</quote> Stop with the head canon.</quote> Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/05/18 10:21:20 AM #44:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Stop with the head canon. Says the man who calls Buu, Boo. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:895499200] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>Stop with the head canon. </quote> Says the man who calls Buu, Boo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:21:27 AM #45:	VTBM posted... Scotty_Rogers posted... VTBM posted... Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default. Stop with the head canon. Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default. Stop posting. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895499201] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>VTBM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VTBM posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default.</quote> Stop with the head canon.</quote> Maybe the Supreme Kais we are seeing are actually the Grand Supreme Kai and our Shin is the Universe 7 Grand Supreme Kai by default.</quote> Stop posting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 10:46:26 AM #46:	That every universe only got one Supreme Kai is your headcanon. Nowhere is it stated that those other universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past. Nowhere is it stated that the universes destroyed long before the tournament only had one Supreme Kai. We know two things. 1: Universe 7 had multiple Supreme Kais. Some of them died in the past and Beerus is still alive. 2: The other still existing universes each got one Supreme Kai representing at the tournament. To claim that those universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past is your headcanon. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895500330] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>That every universe only got one Supreme Kai is your headcanon. Nowhere is it stated that those other universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past. Nowhere is it stated that the universes destroyed long before the tournament only had one Supreme Kai. We know two things. 1: Universe 7 had multiple Supreme Kais. Some of them died in the past and Beerus is still alive. 2: The other still existing universes each got one Supreme Kai representing at the tournament. To claim that those universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past is your headcanon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 02/05/18 10:47:56 AM #47:	Super is better paced tho --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formerly known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:895500409] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>Super is better paced tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XplodnPnguins92 02/05/18 10:53:18 AM #48:	why don't trunks and goten have tails? --- http://i.imgur.com/Dn9vLMi.jpg <cite>XplodnPnguins92 posted [p:895500670] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote>why don't trunks and goten have tails?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 02/05/18 10:54:52 AM #49:	@Foppe posted... That every universe only got one Supreme Kai is your headcanon. No, because the story clearly shows that they only have one Supreme Kai. Nowhere is it stated that those other universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past. Nowhere is it stated that the universes destroyed long before the tournament only had one Supreme Kai. Nowhere is it stated those other universes have never had more than one Destruction God in the past. Nowhere is it stated that Krilin doesn't have bisexual tendencies. Nowhere is it stated that there's isn't a super strong piece of poo poo lurking the universe. Doesn't matter if something isn't stated. If nothing in the story suggests it, there's no reason to argue it. To argue unproven, baseless theories like these is the very definition of head canon. You're so desperate to defend bad writing that you're making nonsense up. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:895500752] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>That every universe only got one Supreme Kai is your headcanon.</quote> No, because the story clearly shows that they only have one Supreme Kai. <quote>Nowhere is it stated that those other universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past. Nowhere is it stated that the universes destroyed long before the tournament only had one Supreme Kai.</quote> Nowhere is it stated those other universes have never had more than one Destruction God in the past. Nowhere is it stated that Krilin doesn't have bisexual tendencies. Nowhere is it stated that there's isn't a super strong piece of poo poo lurking the universe. Doesn't matter if something isn't stated. If nothing in the story suggests it, there's no reason to argue it. To argue unproven, baseless theories like these is the very definition of head canon. You're so desperate to defend bad writing that you're making nonsense up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/05/18 10:56:34 AM #50:	Scotty_Rogers posted... @Foppe posted... Nowhere is it stated that those other universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past. Nowhere is it stated that the universes destroyed long before the tournament only had one Supreme Kai. Nowhere is it stated those other universes have never had more than one Destruction God in the past. Nowhere is it stated that Krilin doesn't have bisexual tendencies. Nowhere is it stated that there's isn't a super strong piece of poo poo lurking the universe. Doesn't matter if something isn't stated. If nothing in the story suggests it, there's no reason to argue it. To argue unproven, baseless theories like this is the very definition of head canon. You're so desperate to defend bad writing that you're making nonsense up. I want proof that every universe only got one Supreme Kai, because it exist none. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:895500837] in DBS retcon... [t:76285051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere is it stated that those other universes have never had more than one Supreme Kai in the past. Nowhere is it stated that the universes destroyed long before the tournament only had one Supreme Kai.</quote> Nowhere is it stated those other universes have never had more than one Destruction God in the past. Nowhere is it stated that Krilin doesn't have bisexual tendencies. Nowhere is it stated that there's isn't a super strong piece of poo poo lurking the universe. Doesn't matter if something isn't stated. If nothing in the story suggests it, there's no reason to argue it. To argue unproven, baseless theories like this is the very definition of head canon. You're so desperate to defend bad writing that you're making nonsense up.</quote> I want proof that every universe only got one Supreme Kai, because it exist none.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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