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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:35:17 PM
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I've heard of people who edge lord look up to him,

I've heard of people who think Jews are behind everything

I've never ever met anyone who has read mein kampf (I will admit haven't) and supports his ideologies while knowing them.
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TheBiggerWiggle
02/05/18 7:36:15 PM
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Yes, I have met real trump supporters.
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DK9292
02/05/18 7:36:19 PM
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My father.

I wish I was joking.
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AmonAmarth
02/05/18 7:36:43 PM
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in real life? no.

on the internet? (aka most or all Hitlers ideas)

yes.
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TheJBD
02/05/18 7:37:59 PM
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Yeah, at a bbq once. True neo-nazi skinhead sort. Other than the overt racism and hatred he was actually a pretty nice guy. Fuck him though.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:39:23 PM
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...
Yes, I have met real trump supporters.

What tends to happen is liberals do this ironic thing wherein they attempt to satire the right and end up being an unintentional self-satire due to the hackiness and mainstreaming of their opinions and the repetitiveness of their jokes, and not forgetting; the echo chamber of agreement and mollification they live inside...
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:41:04 PM
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DK9292 posted...
My father.

I wish I was joking.


Did he vote Republican?
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hockeybub89
02/05/18 7:41:51 PM
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I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.
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DK9292
02/05/18 7:43:20 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
DK9292 posted...
My father.

I wish I was joking.


Did he vote Republican?

We're from the UK.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:46:25 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:48:47 PM
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DK9292 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
DK9292 posted...
My father.

I wish I was joking.


Did he vote Republican?

We're from the UK.

Did he vote Tory/conservative or whatever?
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DK9292
02/05/18 7:49:55 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
DK9292 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
DK9292 posted...
My father.

I wish I was joking.


Did he vote Republican?

We're from the UK.

Did he vote Tory/conservative or whatever?

Shockingly, no. He voted SNP, but still spent the entire time complaining about Sturgeon's plans to let immigrants into the country.
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RebelElite791
02/05/18 7:51:37 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Is it even satire when there are right-wingers who believe that? Lol

That Marvel artist who went on a Twitter rampage the other week was raving about Hitler being an SJW
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Tezlok
02/05/18 7:52:08 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

most people don't know about the other victims of the camps. they think he only killed Jews. nobody ever remembers the gays and the communists and mentally ill and the disabled. I think he killed gypsies too
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hockeybub89
02/05/18 7:53:12 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

Not according to people smarter than you or I. The Nazis are considered a classic example of right extremism and oppressive governments of history fall on both ends of the left-right spectrum.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:53:32 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Is it even satire when there are right-wingers who believe that? Lol

That Marvel artist who went on a Twitter rampage the other week was raving about Hitler being an SJW

Hitler wasn't an SJW, he definitely however cared about race to the same staggering degree that SJWs and other people on the left do today.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 7:58:46 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

Not according to people smarter than you or I. The Nazis are considered a classic example of right extremism and oppressive governments of history fall on both ends of the left-right spectrum.

No that's not how it works. You see; people who purport that this is the case, are always on the left using very flimsy arguments so as to not stand on the side of the spectrum with Hitler and Pinochet.

There are now new measures for left-right, that are used interchangeably with the traditional terms for the left-right dichotomy. It has meant more often than it hasn't; Left is more centralized government and the further right the more you decentralize until there is no more governing bodies and monopolization of force; anarchy. (Ya the terms were coined by the French in the 18th century and meant something completely different then too... I don't care, I'm in 21st century USA)

Real life.
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hockeybub89
02/05/18 8:04:18 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

Not according to people smarter than you or I. The Nazis are considered a classic example of right extremism and oppressive governments of history fall on both ends of the left-right spectrum.

No that's not how it works. You see; people who purport that this is the case, are always on the left using very flimsy arguments so as to not stand on the side of the spectrum with Hitler and Pinochet.

There are now new measures for left-right, that are used interchangeably with the traditional terms for the left-right dichotomy. It has meant more often than it hasn't; Left is more centralized government and the further right the more you decentralize until there is no more governing bodies and monopolization of force; anarchy. (Ya the terms were coined by the French in the 18th century and meant something completely different then too... I don't care, I'm in 21st century USA)

Real life.

So does this mean Antifa is right wing and Nazis are left? So did we get Charlottesville and all these protests backwards?

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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 8:06:42 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

Not according to people smarter than you or I. The Nazis are considered a classic example of right extremism and oppressive governments of history fall on both ends of the left-right spectrum.

No that's not how it works. You see; people who purport that this is the case, are always on the left using very flimsy arguments so as to not stand on the side of the spectrum with Hitler and Pinochet.

There are now new measures for left-right, that are used interchangeably with the traditional terms for the left-right dichotomy. It has meant more often than it hasn't; Left is more centralized government and the further right the more you decentralize until there is no more governing bodies and monopolization of force; anarchy. (Ya the terms were coined by the French in the 18th century and meant something completely different then too... I don't care, I'm in 21st century USA)

Real life.

So does this mean Antifa is right wing and Nazis are left? So did we get Charlottesville and all these protests backwards?

Very unreliable.

No this means Antifa is left wing and Nazis are left wing.
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Antifar
02/05/18 8:08:49 PM
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Antifa are anarchists, though
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Funbazooka
02/05/18 8:12:26 PM
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Barring the ultra rare exceptions you'd probably have to seek them out.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 8:13:18 PM
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Antifar posted...
Antifa are anarchists, though

No they aren't. They are not anarchists; they are communists usually; and that is literally the opposite end of the spectrum, this stuff isn't hard to grasp. If they go out for a good ol' role-play sesh as they do; but don't want to appear authoritarian they will pretend to identify with a fictional political ideology known as "anarcho-communism" which is oxymoronic and doesn't exist.
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RPGaddict28
02/05/18 8:13:44 PM
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Anarchists are right-wing? So, the Falangists and Nationalists were left wing and the Anarchists and Republicans in Civil War-era Spain were the right?
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Kim Kusanagi
02/05/18 8:14:35 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


You heard wrong
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KILBOTz
02/05/18 8:15:05 PM
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Friend of a friend in college I hung out with a number of times was a reformed neo-nazi.
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 8:16:53 PM
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RPGaddict28 posted...
Anarchists are right-wing? So, the Falangists and Nationalists were left wing and the Anarchists and Republicans in Civil War-era Spain were the right?

Yep; franco was far left, moving right of his original position slowly during his time.
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Paper_Okami
02/05/18 8:18:46 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
RPGaddict28 posted...
Anarchists are right-wing? So, the Falangists and Nationalists were left wing and the Anarchists and Republicans in Civil War-era Spain were the right?

Yep; franco was far left, moving right of his original position slowly during his time.


lmao imagine being this uninformed literally considering hitler and pinochet and Franco left.
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Antifar
02/05/18 8:19:40 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
They are not anarchists; they are communists usually; and that is literally the opposite end of the spectrum, this stuff isn't hard to grasp

What if political ideology can't be boiled down on a single axis of "government power?" What if there's actually significant overlap between anarchism and communism?
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 8:20:35 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
RPGaddict28 posted...
Anarchists are right-wing? So, the Falangists and Nationalists were left wing and the Anarchists and Republicans in Civil War-era Spain were the right?

Yep; franco was far left, moving right of his original position slowly during his time.


lmao imagine being this uninformed literally considering hitler and pinochet and Franco left.

What am I uninformed about?
I wanna be informed.
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SSJCAT
02/05/18 8:23:52 PM
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Ive never met anyone who blatantly said they support hitler, but living in Tennessee for the last 7 years I have come across many people who are openly racist and anti-semitic
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 8:24:18 PM
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Antifar posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
They are not anarchists; they are communists usually; and that is literally the opposite end of the spectrum, this stuff isn't hard to grasp

What if political ideology can't be boiled down on a single axis of "government power?" What if there's actually significant overlap between anarchism and communism?

There isn't.

One is a large state with significant state power...one is the absence of a state.

Obviously the larger and more powerful the state that your ideology demands, the more variations in governing principles and styles you will have, leading to fascist governments and communism who we can of course contrast greatly, but if between anarchy, fascism and communism, the two ideologies there with any overlap at all are going to be fascism and communism.
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obeseexplosive
02/05/18 8:26:36 PM
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Tezlok posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

most people don't know about the other victims of the camps. they think he only killed Jews. nobody ever remembers the gays and the communists and mentally ill and the disabled. I think he killed gypsies too

That is one thing I hate about this. He locked them all up. Cause he and his asshole cronies thought they were the ubermensch. The Roma's were killed to. Along with the gays and Russians. Or anybody in his Lebensraum.
But no focus just on the Jews
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Very_Unreliable
02/05/18 8:28:33 PM
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obeseexplosive posted...
Tezlok posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

most people don't know about the other victims of the camps. they think he only killed Jews. nobody ever remembers the gays and the communists and mentally ill and the disabled. I think he killed gypsies too

That is one thing I hate about this. He locked them all up. Cause he and his asshole cronies thought they were the ubermensch. The Roma's were killed to. Along with the gays and Russians. Or anybody in his Lebensraum.
But no focus just on the Jews

I agree with this. That is a travesty; perpetrated by communists/academics and also those with interests in Israel.
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Itachi157
02/05/18 8:33:27 PM
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Yeah, back in like 2008ish someone I knew in HS went full white supremacist/Neo-Nazi and would constantly talk about Jewish control conspiracy theories, about how he thought the Nazis/Hitler were right about everything, etc etc. I was kind of forced to continue talking to him/seeing him because he was at my same school and same circle of friends.

He was a pretty normal nerdy guy before he suddenly started believing in that stuff. Due to some of his other behaviors I honestly think mental illness played a part. Eventually later he gave it all up and pretty much rescinded all those beliefs.
I don't keep in contact with him anymore.

Other than him I haven't known or talked to any Neo-Nazis IRL. Aside from this one guy I saw on the train once who had SS runes and swastikas tattooed on him, but I didn't talk to him.
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RebelElite791
02/05/18 8:54:32 PM
#36:


Very_Unreliable posted...
obeseexplosive posted...
Tezlok posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

most people don't know about the other victims of the camps. they think he only killed Jews. nobody ever remembers the gays and the communists and mentally ill and the disabled. I think he killed gypsies too

That is one thing I hate about this. He locked them all up. Cause he and his asshole cronies thought they were the ubermensch. The Roma's were killed to. Along with the gays and Russians. Or anybody in his Lebensraum.
But no focus just on the Jews

I agree with this. That is a travesty; perpetrated by communists/academics and also those with interests in Israel.


Veering dangerously close to conspiracy theorist holocaust denial here
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Dash_Harber
02/05/18 8:56:28 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...

I've heard of people who think Jews are behind everything


That sums it up.

I mean, honestly, it's much more complex, but that is the crux of it. He had a fascist racial hierarchy view of the world and believed that the Germanic people were the top of the pecking order because, in his eyes, history agreed with him.
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Anteaterking
02/05/18 8:59:45 PM
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Webmaster4531
02/05/18 9:00:39 PM
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You're not a fucking anarchist. You might be a laissez faire anarcho capitalist which basically leads to warlords with money controlling things.
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obeseexplosive
02/05/18 9:01:20 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
obeseexplosive posted...
Tezlok posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I hear Hitler was a left-wing socialist who didn't mind gay people.


His party actually persecuted gay people. I know you're being facetious; but I'm just going to ignore the abundant failures to satire the right from leftists.

Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

most people don't know about the other victims of the camps. they think he only killed Jews. nobody ever remembers the gays and the communists and mentally ill and the disabled. I think he killed gypsies too

That is one thing I hate about this. He locked them all up. Cause he and his asshole cronies thought they were the ubermensch. The Roma's were killed to. Along with the gays and Russians. Or anybody in his Lebensraum.
But no focus just on the Jews

I agree with this. That is a travesty; perpetrated by communists/academics and also those with interests in Israel.


Veering dangerously close to conspiracy theorist holocaust denial here

Who is ?
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Very_Unreliable
02/06/18 12:06:12 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
You're not a fucking anarchist. You might be a laissez faire anarcho capitalist which basically leads to warlords with money controlling things.


Anarcho-capitalism = anarchy

Any other form of "anarchy" is just edge lord fedora wearing "heh nothin personnel kid I'm the lord of discord" 18 year old nihilism crap with nothing to back it up; it has no principles and that can be easily tested with a simple query... who will enforce the anarchy; what will be the governing body that prevents human beings from forming a naturally capitalist society which is what will happen in the absence of a governing body...
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Webmaster4531
02/06/18 1:35:59 AM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
Anarcho-capitalism = anarchy

That's incorrect. Warlords/Aristocrats with private armies are functionally the government.

That's the problem anarcho-capitalists don't get. You get rid of one government then the next most powerful thing dictates the rules as government.
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Very_Unreliable
02/06/18 2:16:26 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Anarcho-capitalism = anarchy

That's incorrect. Warlords/Aristocrats with private armies are functionally the government.

That's the problem anarcho-capitalists don't get. You get rid of one government then the next most powerful thing dictates the rules as government.

Uh yeah and that would cease to be anarchy when "Aristocrats" (that's teetering on the edge of class warfare communist language and is pretty out of place in this context) establish themselves as a governing body.

If capitalists (the term you meant to use) begin to aggress on others outside of the consent of that individual, (using FORCE, monopolizing force over a group of people) then they are nation-building to put it mildly... and then we begin the slow migration (descent imo) to a more and more left-wing society.
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TrojanPony
02/06/18 2:42:22 AM
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I've met people who supported his good stuff, like reintroduction of animal species, welfare, and the "People's car", but not his mass genocide.
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Webmaster4531
02/06/18 3:13:04 AM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
Uh yeah and that would cease to be anarchy when "Aristocrats" (that's teetering on the edge of class warfare communist language and is pretty out of place in this context) establish themselves as a governing body.

If capitalists (the term you meant to use) begin to aggress on others outside of the consent of that individual, (using FORCE, monopolizing force over a group of people) then they are nation-building to put it mildly...

That's what I said. It's the inevitable consequence of anarcho-capitalism.
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Very_Unreliable
02/06/18 11:56:57 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Uh yeah and that would cease to be anarchy when "Aristocrats" (that's teetering on the edge of class warfare communist language and is pretty out of place in this context) establish themselves as a governing body.

If capitalists (the term you meant to use) begin to aggress on others outside of the consent of that individual, (using FORCE, monopolizing force over a group of people) then they are nation-building to put it mildly...

That's what I said. It's the inevitable consequence of anarcho-capitalism.

You just revert back. One way to do that is to seriously make an example of leftist class-warfare indolent young adults. It'll go back to a large weak populace and a central government again, but lets get rid of this bout of the disease before we worry about the next time we are afflicted with the disease of leftism.....
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Webmaster4531
02/06/18 12:13:51 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Uh yeah and that would cease to be anarchy when "Aristocrats" (that's teetering on the edge of class warfare communist language and is pretty out of place in this context) establish themselves as a governing body.

If capitalists (the term you meant to use) begin to aggress on others outside of the consent of that individual, (using FORCE, monopolizing force over a group of people) then they are nation-building to put it mildly...

That's what I said. It's the inevitable consequence of anarcho-capitalism.

You just revert back. One way to do that is to seriously make an example of leftist class-warfare indolent young adults. It'll go back to a large weak populace and a central government again, but lets get rid of this bout of the disease before we worry about the next time we are afflicted with the disease of leftism.....

That's just stupid. It will happen immediately following this "utopia" or even much earlier than complete implementation.

Since it based on capitalism and lack of rule of law there's nothing stopping people with the most capital hiring former soldiers to either protect themselves or abuse lack of law.
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TheMikh
02/06/18 12:25:20 PM
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Having read Mein Kampf recently, Nazism is the frankenstein of political ideologies, and I don't mean this in a good way. While the analysis behind it is quite interesting, the prescribed system is an unsustainable and incoherent mess, and the epitome of the road to hell.

I'm most confident anyone that unironically supports it is screwed up in the head, or just likes larping. Or both.
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Very_Unreliable
02/06/18 12:34:51 PM
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TheMikh posted...
Having read Mein Kampf recently, Nazism is the frankenstein of political ideologies, and I don't mean this in a good way. While the analysis behind it is quite interesting, the prescribed system is an unsustainable and incoherent mess, and the epitome of the road to hell.

I'm most confident anyone that unironically supports it is screwed up in the head, or just likes larping. Or both.

I agree...

That is the hypothesis of my topic basically.
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Very_Unreliable
02/06/18 12:36:54 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Uh yeah and that would cease to be anarchy when "Aristocrats" (that's teetering on the edge of class warfare communist language and is pretty out of place in this context) establish themselves as a governing body.

If capitalists (the term you meant to use) begin to aggress on others outside of the consent of that individual, (using FORCE, monopolizing force over a group of people) then they are nation-building to put it mildly...

That's what I said. It's the inevitable consequence of anarcho-capitalism.

You just revert back. One way to do that is to seriously make an example of leftist class-warfare indolent young adults. It'll go back to a large weak populace and a central government again, but lets get rid of this bout of the disease before we worry about the next time we are afflicted with the disease of leftism.....

That's just stupid. It will happen immediately following this "utopia" or even much earlier than complete implementation.

Since it based on capitalism and lack of rule of law there's nothing stopping people with the most capital hiring former soldiers to either protect themselves or abuse lack of law.

That's conjecture, and hiring personal security does not imply immediate degeneration of the anarchy. This generation won't degenerate into statehood; it would be a few generations later, and with this technology I'd say it won't ever come back, we'd pretty much be self-governing for way more generations ahead.
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02/06/18 12:41:35 PM
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Doesn't matter who it is you target; large centralized governments and monopolies of power are definitively left.

Yeah I don't know how you get right wing from Nazism. The right is about limited government.
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