Poll of the Day > This 13 y/o Ohio Girl was Punished with a BOY HAIRCUT by her DAD!! Look at It!!!

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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 5:27:18 PM
#51:


Doctor Foxx posted...
I realize you're arguing because that's what you do, but another human being choosing to do something like highlighting their hair is not a big issue.

Circumcision is not a big issue to many in the US but I'd be horrified if my son was circumcised without my knowledge. Different people have different beliefs and you'd think the mother of his child would know that.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Nor is it something that gives a parent the right to cut their hair off.

It doesn't give the right as he already had it. Under normal circumstances I'd think he should consult the mother but in this case I understand it's a reaponse to ahit down this nonsense.

Doctor Foxx posted...
He's taking out his issues with the mother on the daughter. I hope that the daughter stops wanting to see him and they apply to take away custody if he's going to be a controlling piece of shit.

And the mother was not? She could've let him know but no, it's much more fun to take jabs at the father of her child. I hope you never have children for the sake of the other parent.
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LinkPizza
02/07/18 5:32:17 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
She didn't consult with the other parent on a new and long term issue, how was that not done maliciously?

Because t doesn't actually have to be long term. And even if it was, how the fuck does that make it malicious? The answer is it doesn't make it automatically malicious.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
I doubt there was a rule against throwing their daughter off a bridge either, it still isn't something you do. Big decisions require consultation and she deliberately avoided it.

Again, not that big since it was fixable of they found out later that the dad didn't like it. Also, since it's a normal thing that sometimes people dye their hair, it should be a rule. Changing one hair color is something lots of people do, so it's can be considered pretty normal in the US. Throwing people off a bridge is not normal, and normally illegal. So, the comparison doesn't work well...

Kyuubi4269 posted...
I've already explained the issue of limited knowledge time and time again, stop parroting this nonsense.

Limited knowledge isn't an excuse. Because he could have looked it up or asked almost anybody if there was another way to fix it. So you stop parroting your nonsense...

Kyuubi4269 posted...
I know virtually no women lose their hair and so she will eventually regrow it, particularly when she's in a growing stage of her life. Hair grows for a set period of time before shedding and even the lower expectation for hair growth allows for that length to eventually grow

I didn't say that wouldn't grow. But it can take a while. Especially with thinner hair. My best friend's hair grows. But you have to get it cut also to keep it healthy. If it's not growing fast enough, it could take a while for her hair to grow back to it original length. And healthy. That's what I'm saying. And we don't know how long it'll take...

Kyuubi4269 posted...
She didn't consult with the other parent on a new and long term issue, it is inherently sneaky. It sounds like you're trying to discredit me as you've failed to discredit my points. The mother put a long term effect on years of their daughter's hair growth, this isn't a thing you do without consultation. You don't get to claim the innocence of the mother as, like you said, we don't even know what caused the divorce (but we do know you don't divorce amicably when you have kids and do spiteful s*** like this). Again, it wouldn't necessarily be apparent the issue is "fixable" and in the context of bitter feuding, his response has logic to it.

Let me go tit-for-tat and say you're clearly against him because he's a man, you make immediate assumptions to deem him insane instead of considering how people aren't often deranged.

First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I said it sounds like you're against her because she's a woman. Not that you actually were. And I'm not against him because he's a man. As I explained, in certain situations, I could see him being right. But only a very small few.

Also, again, it doesn't have to be long term. Even cutting just the highlighted parts would have probably been better. Also, not claiming the mom is just obviously innocent, but it does seem this way. And since the hair thing is something that could be resolve the next week by changing it back, she probably felt it was a small desicion. And that it didn't need to be discussed. Also, I k ow there are divorced couples who do spiteful shit to each other. It if you don't think there are divorce couple who are capable of being good parents without doing spiteful shit, you're wrong. And they don't have to talk about every little decision.

In the end, we need more details. And we don't have anything else to go on...
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Doctor Foxx
02/07/18 5:33:26 PM
#53:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Circumcision is not a big issue to many in the US but I'd be horrified if my son was circumcised without my knowledge. Different people have different beliefs and you'd think the mother of his child would know that.

circumcision, a permanent damaging alteration done on infants, is not comparable to hair highlights a teen picks for herself at a salon

Most parents would be horrified to find one parent forced a child to cut off their hair against their will. Waaaaaaay more horrified than that guy was to find highlights. that's why this is news

I'm sure she is well aware he has his own ideas, she was smart enough to divorce a control freak. Doesn't put him in the right.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It doesn't give the right as he already had it. Under normal circumstances I'd think he should consult the mother but in this case I understand it's a reaponse to ahit down this nonsense.

There is no nonsense to shut down.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
And the mother was not? She could've let him know but no, it's much more fun to take jabs at the father of her child. I hope you never have children for the sake of the other parent.

A girl, who only lives with her mother, does not need to consult with a parent they visit once weekly as to whether or not they can lighten a potion of their hair
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LinkPizza
02/07/18 5:38:12 PM
#54:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
And the mother was not? She could've let him know but no, it's much more fun to take jabs at the father of her child. I hope you never have children for the sake of the other parent.

Assuming again. How do you know that she was "taking jabs" at the dad? I hope you never have children for the sake of the other parent. I would trust Doctor_Foxx way more with a child. She seems to think rationally, IMO...
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 5:45:56 PM
#55:


LinkPizza posted...
Because t doesn't actually have to be long term. And even if it was, how the fuck does that make it malicious? The answer is it doesn't make it automatically malicious.

1) Bleaching is permanent, you just can hide it too, like scarring.
2) It's malicious to act behind someone's back knowing your actions will upset them.

LinkPizza posted...
since it's a normal thing that sometimes people dye their hair, it should be a rule.

But it wasn't, so...

LinkPizza posted...
Limited knowledge isn't an excuse. Because he could have looked it up or asked almost anybody if there was another way to fix it. So you stop parroting your nonsense...

When you've been punched in the face, do you immediately put up your hand and ask if anybody knows the most proper recourse for such a slight? No, you fight back in anger THEN figure things out. He was busy fighting his ex's vicious attack.

LinkPizza posted...
I didn't say that wouldn't grow. But it can take a while. Especially with thinner hair.

So it's a nil point.

LinkPizza posted...
we don't know how long it'll take...

Tough shit, it's hair, she was willing to bleach it (which is damaging), so fuck it, what's another style? Misbehave, get punished.

LinkPizza posted...
again, it doesn't have to be long term.

You don't tempotarily strip material from hair, the damage is permanent.

LinkPizza posted...
cutting just the highlighted parts would have probably been better.

And have taught nobody anything.

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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 5:46:05 PM
#56:


LinkPizza posted...
not claiming the mom is just obviously innocent, but it does seem this way.

Bollocks, it outlines both misbehaving, it's just written directed at the father.

LinkPizza posted...
And since the hair thing is something that could be resolve the next week by changing it back, she probably felt it was a small desicion.

Again, you don't unbleach things.

LinkPizza posted...
if you don't think there are divorce couple who are capable of being good parents without doing spiteful shit, you're wrong. And they don't have to talk about every little decision.

They are also not this couple, evidenced by this behaviour.

LinkPizza posted...
In the end, we need more details. And we don't have anything else to go on...

So don't assume the father is mentally unstable?
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 5:48:16 PM
#57:


LinkPizza posted...
Assuming again. How do you know that she was "taking jabs" at the dad?

Because there is no reason that is good to act secretively about somebody's child.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 5:51:55 PM
#58:


Doctor Foxx posted...
A girl, who only lives with her mother, does not need to consult with a parent they visit once weekly as to whether or not they can lighten a potion of their hair

Of course they do, you'd have a point if the father didn't have custody at all but he does, because he is not an unfit parent.

Doctor Foxx posted...
circumcision, a permanent damaging alteration done on infants, is not comparable to hair highlights a teen picks for herself at a salon

Hair bleaching is literally permanent damaging alteration and in this case it is done on a minor. It is a matter of beliefs and he feels much stronger about the sanctity of her hair.
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Jen0125
02/07/18 5:56:41 PM
#59:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Hair bleaching is literally permanent damaging alteration and in this case it is done on a minor. It is a matter of beliefs and he feels much stronger about the sanctity of her hair.


oh my god how dramatic can someone make dying your hair. it's just dying your hair. it's not going to cause permanent damage if you do it a single time.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:02:02 PM
#60:


Jen0125 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Hair bleaching is literally permanent damaging alteration and in this case it is done on a minor. It is a matter of beliefs and he feels much stronger about the sanctity of her hair.


oh my god how dramatic can someone make dying your hair. it's just dying your hair. it's not going to cause permanent damage if you do it a single time.

It does permanent damage to the hair, it is the damage that causes the lightening in the first place. And while I don't hold that viewpoint of anti-dye, I'm still happy to support a belief based on some kind of founded reasoning.
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Doctor Foxx
02/07/18 6:08:44 PM
#61:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
It does permanent damage to the hair,

so does fucking cutting it all off

good god

salons minimize the damage

Kyuubi4269 posted...
And while I don't hold that viewpoint of anti-dye, I'm still happy to support a belief based on some kind of founded reasoning.

it is logical and reasonable for a father to chop off all of his daughter's hair because she lightened a potion of it

oh wait it is not

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Hair bleaching is literally permanent damaging alteration and in this case it is done on a minor. It is a matter of beliefs and he feels much stronger about the sanctity of her hair.

hair is dead. DEAD. circumcision is living tissue. if you actually care about protecting the hair, cutting it off the the most damaging thing possible
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Muscles
02/07/18 6:09:45 PM
#62:


The dad was definitely a dick, I'm glad my dad didn't make me shave my hair when I was growing out at that age, even though he didn't like it
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:15:14 PM
#63:


Doctor Foxx posted...
so does fucking cutting it all off

good god

salons minimize the damage

The damage is already done, there's no minimising damage when it comes to the first crack, it's either mint or its broken.

Doctor Foxx posted...
it is logical and reasonable for a father to chop off all of his daughter's hair because she lightened a potion of it

Yup.

Doctor Foxx posted...
oh wait it is not

It just doesn't mesh with your norms.

Doctor Foxx posted...
hair is dead. DEAD. circumcision is living tissue.

Both are done and deemed as fine.

Pigs are made of living tissue and some are okay with butchering them, others are not. This is a cultural issue, not a logical one.

Doctor Foxx posted...
if you actually care about protecting the hair, cutting it off the the most damaging thing possible

The hair is already destroyed. DESTROYED. What do you do with a tatty US flag? You burn it, you don't give it a lick of paint and hang it back up.
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LinkPizza
02/07/18 6:15:25 PM
#64:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
2) It's malicious to act behind someone's back knowing your actions will upset them.

Except what if she didn't know it would upset him. YouMre assuming she knew. But we don't know that.

But it wasn't, so...

Correct. It wasn't a rule. So why punish someone so severely if they didn't even know they couldn't do something.

When you've been punched in the face, do you immediately put up your hand and ask if anybody knows the most proper recourse for such a slight? No, you fight back in anger THEN figure things out. He was busy fighting his ex's vicious attack

ANOTHER ridiculous comparison. Someone punching you is happening with no time to think. He had a week to figure out what to do. He didn't have to make a rash decision like that.

So it's a nil point.

Not really since there's still a chance it won't ever healthily reach the original length... or even close...

Tough s***, it's hair, she was willing to bleach it (which is damaging), so f*** it, what's another style? Misbehave, get punished.

Sucks to get punished for something you didn't know was against the rules, though.

You don't tempotarily strip material from hair, the damage is permanent

He seemed to be more worried about what it looks like(his words seemed to have been "a tramp") And that COULD be changed. As in, not long term.

So don't assume the father is mentally unstable?

When the fuck did I say that?!
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LinkPizza
02/07/18 6:18:27 PM
#65:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Assuming again. How do you know that she was "taking jabs" at the dad?

Because there is no reason that is good to act secretively about somebody's child.

Just because you aren't with someone doesn't mean it was a secret...
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Doctor Foxx
02/07/18 6:20:53 PM
#66:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
The damage is already done, there's no minimising damage when it comes to the first crack, it's either mint or its broken.

Hair gets damaged all the time.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
The hair is already destroyed. DESTROYED.

No, it's not. it may be slightly damaged. You know what else damages hair? Brushing incorrectly. Toweling off too rough. Blowdrying, curling, flat-ironing. Going in the sun. Sleeping with the wrong pillowcases. Sleeping with wet hair. Putting hair back. Styling products. Etc.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Pigs are made of living tissue and some are okay with butchering them, others are not. This is a cultural issue, not a logical one.

Pigs are sentient living beings, I'm not OK with killing them

Coloring hair is in no way comparable

Neither is cutting hair

Doing things to your child's hair against their wishes? shitty parent.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:25:04 PM
#67:


LinkPizza posted...
Except what if she didn't know it would upset him.

That's why you maintain contact.

LinkPizza posted...
Correct. It wasn't a rule. So why punish someone so severely if they didn't even know they couldn't do something.

Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. They had means to check but did not, they chose not to.

LinkPizza posted...
Someone punching you is happening with no time to think. He had a week to figure out what to do. He didn't have to make a rash decision like that.

Because you are the perfect arbiter of other people's emotions.

LinkPizza posted...
Not really since there's still a chance it won't ever healthily reach the original length... or even close...

No.

And if that were the case, you wouldn't damage this hair that apparently will never grow back.

LinkPizza posted...
Sucks to get punished for something you didn't know was against the rules, though.

Sucks to be a 13 year old.

LinkPizza posted...
He seemed to be more worried about what it looks like(his words seemed to have been "a tramp") And that COULD be changed. As in, not long term

He did change it. With scissors. Don't like how he changed it? Would you rather he called first to make sure it's okay? Because he would've liked that too.

LinkPizza posted...
When the fuck did I say that?!

By implying he abused his child because lol?
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Muscles
02/07/18 6:27:08 PM
#68:


Why can't you at least admit he was a dick?
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:27:37 PM
#69:


LinkPizza posted...
Just because you aren't with someone doesn't mean it was a secret...

Oh, so if I was meant to have a meeting with you but moved the appointment and told everyone else but you, I wouldn't be keeping the meeting a secret from you? I mean you just weren't there, that's your problem.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:33:23 PM
#70:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Hair gets damaged all the time.

Skin gets damaged all the time but we don't accept skin bleaching. Different things have different responses.

Doctor Foxx posted...
No, it's not. it may be slightly damaged. You know what else damages hair? Brushing incorrectly. Toweling off too rough. Blowdrying, curling, flat-ironing. Going in the sun. Sleeping with the wrong pillowcases. Sleeping with wet hair. Putting hair back. Styling products. Etc.

And again, this is a matter of perception, some things are more okay than others.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Pigs are sentient living beings, I'm not OK with killing them

While I like bacon, different strokes for different folks.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Doing things to your child's hair against their wishes? shitty parent.

Lol because you've never been dragged to a hairdressing apointment as a child, your parents totally respected your hair choices at 6.
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Doctor Foxx
02/07/18 6:36:22 PM
#71:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Skin gets damaged all the time but we don't accept skin bleaching.

Skin bleaching is extremely common in parts of the world there buddy.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
And again, this is a matter of perception, some things are more okay than others.

uh huh. if damage is your concern it doesn't matter. Her making a choice seems to bother you.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Lol because you've never been dragged to a hairdressing apointment as a child, your parents totally respected your hair choices at 6.

At 6? Maybe not. At 13? Yeah I got to pick. I got to decide my hair completely by the time i was 10. I walked myself to the hair stylist with money and walked home with cut hair. And there's a huge difference in personal identity and peer pressure at 6 and 13. Can't compare.

My parents would have been giant assholes if they forced me to chop off my hair.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:41:32 PM
#72:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Skin bleaching is extremely common in parts of the world there buddy.

Even better, something I and presumably you would never do is commonplace for other people. It's almost like people handle things differently.

Doctor Foxx posted...
At 6? Maybe not. At 13? Yeah I got to pick.

Do you not see how arbitrary that is? In the eyes of the law you're still just a dependant minor, there's no requirement you be given haircut privileges at 13.

Doctor Foxx posted...
there's a huge difference in personal identity and peer pressure at 6 and 13. Can't compare.

Really not their problem. You don't have any more rights, everything extra is a privilege til you can manage your own life legally.

Doctor Foxx posted...
My parents would have been giant assholes if they forced me to chop off my hair.

So? They're your parents, not your friends.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:44:03 PM
#73:


Doctor Foxx posted...
uh huh. if damage is your concern it doesn't matter. Her making a choice seems to bother you.

Hair brushing is not percieved as damage by some, much as you don't perceive bleaching as damage. I do like that you've pointed this at me, ignoring the fact I already stated this isn't my personal view, just that I can understand other people having other beliefs.
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beefcake71090
02/07/18 6:52:08 PM
#74:


No one should actually and literally be forced to do anything to their hair that they don't want to. Hair is a wonderful means for expression, and whatever anyone does with their hair should be supported unilaterally. IMO.
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Kyuubi4269
02/07/18 6:59:25 PM
#75:


beefcake71090 posted...
No one should actually and literally be forced to do anything to their hair that they don't want to. Hair is a wonderful means for expression, and whatever anyone does with their hair should be supported unilaterally. IMO.

Hold on while I turn my hair in to a pink dick-hecan.
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Revelation34
02/07/18 7:29:37 PM
#76:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
No evidence to you, a random on the internet quoting Duckbear. You have no basis to be skeptical of his actions.


Oh you're trolling. Unless you can find what alternate reality where he actually said she didn't ask or did ask for permission. Also even if she did it randomly his actions already prove he's batshit insane.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I doubt there was a rule against throwing their daughter off a bridge either, it still isn't something you do. Big decisions require consultation and she deliberately avoided it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

Kyuubi4269 posted...
He was busy fighting his ex's vicious attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. They had means to check but did not, they chose not to.


He makes laws now?
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TempestRyuno
02/07/18 7:31:07 PM
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It's definitely not "cruel child abuse", but good lord it is over the top.
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LinkPizza
02/07/18 7:33:12 PM
#78:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. They had means to check but did not, they chose not to.

But weren't you just using ingonorance as an excuse for the dad not knowing any other way to deal with her hair? Also, laws are things to told to us. If he wants her to follow rule, he should probably tell her what is it. To make her follow a rule she doesn't know doesn't make any logical sense...

Because you are the perfect arbiter of other people's emotions.

Which is why I said his decision was rash. As a parent, he probably should've give an iota of thought first...

He did change it. With scissors. Don't like how he changed it? Would you rather he called first to make sure it's okay? Because he would've liked that too.

He also could have only cut the parts that were changed, too. But he probably did it to duck with the mom and daughter.
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Byron808
02/07/18 8:07:55 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
But he probably did it to duck with the mom and daughter

you can say "fuck" dude. fuck.
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LinkPizza
02/07/18 8:20:22 PM
#80:


Byron808 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
But he probably did it to duck with the mom and daughter

you can say "fuck" dude. fuck.

Phone keeps correcting it. Haha. I said fuck in another post, though.
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OmegaM
02/07/18 8:54:14 PM
#81:


We need a face shot of Kelsey with the boy haircut to really judge how bad it is.
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Revelation34
02/10/18 1:32:41 PM
#82:


OmegaM posted...
We need a face shot of Kelsey with the boy haircut to really judge how bad it is.


Not sure why we would need that since the situation itself is bad.
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Kyuubi4269
02/10/18 2:01:53 PM
#83:


LinkPizza posted...
But weren't you just using ingonorance as an excuse for the dad not knowing any other way to deal with her hair?

Note the lack of punishment, i.e. no rule broken.

LinkPizza posted...
Also, laws are things to told to us.

Not even remotely true, most laws require checking but we don't violate them as they follow social rules.

LinkPizza posted...
He also could have only cut the parts that were changed, too. But he probably did it to duck with the mom and daughter.

And? You don't fuck with someone and expect no response.
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XMinusZero
02/10/18 2:46:01 PM
#84:


Just when I think people can't get more insane. :D

When did getting highlights become a big deal?
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argonautweakend
02/10/18 2:47:50 PM
#85:


this kinda reminds me of my friend whos parents had him kidnapped and sent to jesus camp because he liked eminem and porn at the age of 16.

well, he came back, didnt change at all, and now aged 30 really loves eminem and porn.

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LinkPizza
02/10/18 2:49:16 PM
#86:


argonautweakend posted...
this kinda reminds me of my friend whos parents had him kidnapped and sent to jesus camp because he liked eminem and porn at the age of 16.

well, he came back, didnt change at all, and now aged 30 really loves eminem and porn.

idk why i posted that but

I hate when parents do stuff like that to kids. They do the kid napping thing usually in the middle of the night to catch them
While they're tired. But, yeah. I think most of them don't change...
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Revelation34
02/10/18 3:44:58 PM
#87:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
And? You don't fuck with someone and expect no response.


I love how you keep repeating this yet have no proof this even happened.
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Kyuubi4269
02/10/18 4:11:47 PM
#88:


Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
And? You don't fuck with someone and expect no response.


I love how you keep repeating this yet have no proof this even happened.

You haven't even got a logical stance that it isn't retaliatory.
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LinkPizza
02/11/18 1:03:12 AM
#89:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
And? You don't fuck with someone and expect no response.


I love how you keep repeating this yet have no proof this even happened.

You haven't even got a logical stance that it isn't retaliatory.

It is true that you keep basing this all on the assumption that the mom did this out of spite, though. We have no proof of this. We also have no proof of the opposite, either. But from the little information we know, it doesn't seem like that's what the mom did.
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dedbus
02/11/18 1:36:22 AM
#90:


lawl. This might be my favorite duckbear topic yet.
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Revelation34
02/11/18 11:27:06 AM
#91:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
You haven't even got a logical stance that it isn't retaliatory.


So then you admit to being full of shit I see.
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