Current Events > Fossils suggest that the original Britons/Europeans were probably black/brown..

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/dna-suggests-10-000-old-brit-had-dark-125004782.html

LONDON (AP) DNA from a 10,000-year-old skeleton found in an English cave suggests the oldest-known Briton had dark skin and blue eyes, researchers said Wednesday. Scientists from Britain's Natural History Museum and University College London analyzed the genome of "Cheddar Man," who was found in Cheddar Gorge in southwest England in 1903.

Scientists led by museum DNA expert Ian Barnes drilled into the skull to extract DNA from bone powder. They say analysis indicates he had blue eyes, dark curly hair and "dark to black" skin pigmentation. The researchers say the evidence suggests that Europeans' pale skin tones developed much later than originally thought.

"Cheddar Man subverts people's expectations of what kinds of genetic traits go together," said Tom Booth, a postdoctoral researcher at the museum who worked on the project. "It seems that pale eyes entered Europe long before pale skin or blond hair, which didn't come along until after the arrival of farming."

"He reminds us that you can't make assumptions about what people looked like in the past based on what people look like in the present, and that the pairings of features we are used to seeing today aren't something that's fixed," Booth said on the museum website. It's thought ancient humans living in northern regions developed pale skin because it absorbs more sunlight, which is needed to produce vitamin D.

Cheddar Man shares a genetic profile with several other Mesolithic-era individuals found in Spain, Hungary and Luxembourg whose DNA has already been analyzed. The group, known as Western Hunter-Gatherers, migrated to Europe from the Middle East after the last Ice Age, about 12,000 years ago.

Dan Bradley, a professor of population genetics at Trinity College Dublin, said the findings were credible. "There are other data from hunter-gatherers who lived in western Europe, and they also show darker skin and light eyes, blue eyes," said Bradley, who was not involved with the study.

So there goes another white supremacist lie.
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Yeah, definitely not. Theres liberal science trying to stamp white people out of the picture.
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You mean to tell me people developed genetic traits based on geographical location over thousands of years?!

What the fuck!
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southcoast09 posted...

Yeah, definitely not. Theres liberal science trying to stamp white people out of the picture.

Yes, we know lolcoast. Any science that disagrees with your narrow little worldview is automatically either a liberal conspiracy or fake news.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Let's see if this bullshit gets modded as quickly as calling him a racist would.
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@southcoast09 posted...

Yeah, definitely not. Theres liberal science trying to stamp white people out of the picture.

You do realize they pretty much know exactly when "whiteness" evolved and humans were in that area of the world before that happened, right?
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Yeah, Adam and Eve.
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Pale skin probably arrived in Britain with a migration of people from the Middle East around 6,000 years ago. This population had pale skin and brown eyes and absorbed populations like the ones Cheddar Man belonged to.

This was the real interesting part tbh
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southcoast09 posted...

Yeah, Adam and Eve.

lol
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1. it wasn't a white supremacist lie. it was basic assumptions about history that everyone had.

2. I don;t think I buy this. yes, people were all black originally. and then they migrated to europe. and the ice age happened on top of that. considering how far it is to walk to Briton from Africa....and the fact that they did it over many generations.... I find it hard to believe that they were still black when they reach Briton.

this is probably not true. people always laugh at the archeology stories I post. now it's my turn to say "this is false"

This isn't exactly a big surprise. It's already known white Europeans evolved from black or brown ancestors who immigrated North. Of course the very earliest would be brown or black.

I don't think even white supremacists generally think white people just existed since the dawn of time. Unless they're maybe the young earth creationist type.
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to give an idea of how long migration takes......look at the native americans. the first humans to enter north america originally left from Asia and then walked on a land bridge. and they spent entire generations living on that bridge. to them at the time they didn't even know they were on a bridge and thye might have spent like 1000 years walking across it slowly before they arrived in Alaska

Except he wasn't black.
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southcoast09 posted...

Yeah, Adam and Eve.

100 lols mate.
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Esrac posted...

This isn't exactly a big surprise. It's already known white Europeans evolved from black or brown ancestors who immigrated North.

Yeah, but there are white supremacists who believed that some of our ancestors had already evolved to become white, THEN they went to Europe.
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Im sorry, but the original people were white. Its not meant as offensive to others. Civilization started in either Iraq or Iran, back before the elements darkened peoples skin.
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Zikten shut the actual fuck up good lord.
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Esrac posted...

This isn't exactly a big surprise. It's already known white Europeans evolved from black or brown ancestors who immigrated North.

The story keeps changing based on what they find.

http://www.history.com/news/did-the-first-human-ancestor-emerge-in-europe-not-africa

New analysis of two fossil specimens found in Greece and Bulgaria has led a team of international scientists to a stunning conclusion: The fossilized lower jawbone and teeth, which date back some 7.2 million years, belonged not to an ape but to a hominin, or early human ancestor. If correct, their hypothesis would rewrite the currently accepted story of human evolution, which holds that the split between humans and chimpanzees took place around 7 million years ago in eastern Africa.

According to the generally accepted story of human evolution, the human lineage split from that of apes some 7 million years ago in Africa. Hominins (early humans) are believed to have stayed put in Africa until about 2 million years ago, when they migrated first to Asia and then to Europe.

Now, a team of scientists from the University of Tubingen in Germany and the University of Toronto in Canada are seeking to revise that story. In two complementary studies published in the journal PLOS One, they argue that the earliest human ancestor emerged in Europe, not Africa, around 7.2 million years ago, or 200,000 years earlier than was previously thought.
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lydiaquayle posted...

Yeah, but there are white supremacists who believed that some of our ancestors had already evolved to become white, THEN they went to Europe.

we are talking about Briton though. that eats up alot of time for them to change color as they make their way there.

Zikten posted...

2. I don;t think I buy this. yes, people were all black originally. and then they migrated to europe. and the ice age happened on top of that. considering how far it is to walk to Briton from Africa....and the fact that they did it over many generations.... I find it hard to believe that they were still black when they reach Briton.

this is probably not true. people always laugh at the archeology stories I post. now it's my turn to say "this is false"

So are you either:
a) Denying that carbon dating is a thing?
or
b) Acknowledging that black/brown ppl were hanging out with white ppl at around 10,000BC in northern England?
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@Fossil
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Funbazooka posted...

Esrac posted...

This isn't exactly a big surprise. It's already known white Europeans evolved from black or brown ancestors who immigrated North.

The story keeps changing based on what they find.

http://www.history.com/news/did-the-first-human-ancestor-emerge-in-europe-not-africa

New analysis of two fossil specimens found in Greece and Bulgaria has led a team of international scientists to a stunning conclusion: The fossilized lower jawbone and teeth, which date back some 7.2 million years, belonged not to an ape but to a hominin, or early human ancestor. If correct, their hypothesis would rewrite the currently accepted story of human evolution, which holds that the split between humans and chimpanzees took place around 7 million years ago in eastern Africa.

According to the generally accepted story of human evolution, the human lineage split from that of apes some 7 million years ago in Africa. Hominins (early humans) are believed to have stayed put in Africa until about 2 million years ago, when they migrated first to Asia and then to Europe.

Now, a team of scientists from the University of Tubingen in Germany and the University of Toronto in Canada are seeking to revise that story. In two complementary studies published in the journal PLOS One, they argue that the earliest human ancestor emerged in Europe, not Africa, around 7.2 million years ago, or 200,000 years earlier than was previously thought.

I don't think I buy this either. it doesn't make sense. unless some proto hominid migrated for some reason to europe before evolving. but that seems unlikely

lydiaquayle posted...

Zikten posted...

2. I don;t think I buy this. yes, people were all black originally. and then they migrated to europe. and the ice age happened on top of that. considering how far it is to walk to Briton from Africa....and the fact that they did it over many generations.... I find it hard to believe that they were still black when they reach Briton.

this is probably not true. people always laugh at the archeology stories I post. now it's my turn to say "this is false"

So are you either:
a) Denying that carbon dating is a thing?
or
b) Acknowledging that black/brown ppl were hanging out with white ppl at around 10,000BC in northern England?

not talking about carbon dating at all. but yes, it is real. I never denied it

I am saying the first people to enter europe were black and over time they slowly turned white. and that this happend by the time people reached Briton. it could have taken at least 2 thousand years or more for them to walk from africa to briton

Zikten posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Esrac posted...

This isn't exactly a big surprise. It's already known white Europeans evolved from black or brown ancestors who immigrated North.

The story keeps changing based on what they find.

http://www.history.com/news/did-the-first-human-ancestor-emerge-in-europe-not-africa

New analysis of two fossil specimens found in Greece and Bulgaria has led a team of international scientists to a stunning conclusion: The fossilized lower jawbone and teeth, which date back some 7.2 million years, belonged not to an ape but to a hominin, or early human ancestor. If correct, their hypothesis would rewrite the currently accepted story of human evolution, which holds that the split between humans and chimpanzees took place around 7 million years ago in eastern Africa.

According to the generally accepted story of human evolution, the human lineage split from that of apes some 7 million years ago in Africa. Hominins (early humans) are believed to have stayed put in Africa until about 2 million years ago, when they migrated first to Asia and then to Europe.

Now, a team of scientists from the University of Tubingen in Germany and the University of Toronto in Canada are seeking to revise that story. In two complementary studies published in the journal PLOS One, they argue that the earliest human ancestor emerged in Europe, not Africa, around 7.2 million years ago, or 200,000 years earlier than was previously thought.

I don't think I buy this either. it doesn't make sense. unless some proto hominid migrated for some reason to europe before evolving. but that seems unlikely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU
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Zikten posted...

I am saying the first people to enter europe were black and over time they slowly turned white. and that this happend by the time people reached Briton. it could have taken at least 2 thousand years or more for them to walk from africa to briton

So you're accepting their theory, then
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lydiaquayle posted...

b) Acknowledging that black/brown ppl were hanging out with white ppl at around 10,000BC in northern England?

Cheddar Man clearly is not a black/brown person like we have today.
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lydiaquayle posted...

Zikten posted...

I am saying the first people to enter europe were black and over time they slowly turned white. and that this happend by the time people reached Briton. it could have taken at least 2 thousand years or more for them to walk from africa to briton

So you're accepting their theory, then

if I understand it right, their theory is they found a black man in briton. but I am wondering if its fake cause it just doesn't sound right to me.

Funbazooka posted...

Cheddar Man clearly is not a black/brown person like we have today.

Cheddar Man had Middle East features - the same features that they found in 12000 year old fossils in Spain, Hungary, etc (aka the Western Hunter-Gatherers that migrated from Africa to Europe)
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RebelElite791 posted...

Zikten posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Esrac posted...

This isn't exactly a big surprise. It's already known white Europeans evolved from black or brown ancestors who immigrated North.

The story keeps changing based on what they find.

http://www.history.com/news/did-the-first-human-ancestor-emerge-in-europe-not-africa

New analysis of two fossil specimens found in Greece and Bulgaria has led a team of international scientists to a stunning conclusion: The fossilized lower jawbone and teeth, which date back some 7.2 million years, belonged not to an ape but to a hominin, or early human ancestor. If correct, their hypothesis would rewrite the currently accepted story of human evolution, which holds that the split between humans and chimpanzees took place around 7 million years ago in eastern Africa.

According to the generally accepted story of human evolution, the human lineage split from that of apes some 7 million years ago in Africa. Hominins (early humans) are believed to have stayed put in Africa until about 2 million years ago, when they migrated first to Asia and then to Europe.

Now, a team of scientists from the University of Tubingen in Germany and the University of Toronto in Canada are seeking to revise that story. In two complementary studies published in the journal PLOS One, they argue that the earliest human ancestor emerged in Europe, not Africa, around 7.2 million years ago, or 200,000 years earlier than was previously thought.

I don't think I buy this either. it doesn't make sense. unless some proto hominid migrated for some reason to europe before evolving. but that seems unlikely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU

would you stop? I don't even know what you are complaining about. I can say ANYTHING and you whine at me. we are having a discussion about the history and evolution of humans. if you can't be mature than stay out of it

But did they have Neanderthal taint?
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now maybe the black man traveled to briton on a boat but that is WAAAAAAAAAAAY early for naval travel unless you believe that human history is older than we think. but that's a whole other thing

Waluigi7 posted...

But did they have Neanderthal taint?

yes probably. everyone in europe did

Meh. Pretty much knew this already.

Waluigi7 posted...

But did they have Neanderthal taint?

Europeans have a higher % of Neanderthal DNA than blacks and East Asians, so probably yes.
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this isn't a new discovery. this is just one specific person that they got the dna results of that they decided to make a story out of, kind of like when they discover some new exo-planet or whatever. we already knew the original people that migrated into europe were dark skinned

the mutations that cause white skin are something like 8000 years old or something
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What's Neanderthal taint

As much as I love archaeology and learning about the evolution of our species I wouldn't put too much stock in this type of finding. It could be true but the sample size is way too small and discoveries are found weekly that refute each other.

We'll need a much larger pool of research to make any conclusive statements.
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If this improves my chances with Kim or Kylie, I'm stoked. Otherwise, this is just validation of what we already knew.

It is kinda fun though being able to point out to white supremacists that they have black ancestry.

southcoast09 posted...

Im sorry, but the original people were white. Its not meant as offensive to others. Civilization started in either Iraq or Iran, back before the elements darkened peoples skin.

lol. keep thinking that
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Skye Reynolds posted...

It is kinda fun though being able to point out to white supremacists that they have black ancestry.

anyone who didn't think they had black ancestry is pretty misinformed. this isn't new news. we knew this for like at least 100 years. only people who don't accept evolution think they don't have black ancestry

southcoast09 posted...

Im sorry, but the original people were white.

Maybe the Neanderthals were. But the 'purest' humans (those with the highest % of homo sapien DNA) are African blacks.
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Zikten posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

It is kinda fun though being able to point out to white supremacists that they have black ancestry.

anyone who didn't think they had black ancestry is pretty misinformed. this isn't new news. we knew this for like at least 100 years. only people who don't accept evolution think they don't have black ancestry

so tell that to southcoast
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lydiaquayle posted...

Waluigi7 posted...

But did they have Neanderthal taint?

Europeans have a higher % of Neanderthal DNA than blacks and East Asians, so probably yes.

East Asians have the highest
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lydiaquayle posted...

Maybe the Neanderthals were

neanderthals came from africa too. all hominids originate in africa. they would have been black at some point as well. they are just hominids that left Africa earlier than homo sapiens

Zikten posted...

neanderthals came from africa too. all hominids originate in africa. they would have been black at some point as well. they are just hominids that left Africa earlier than homo sapiens

Whatever the case may be, those particular Neanderthals left their biggest mark on white people.
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This news seems to have triggered the alt-right.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Zikten shut the actual fuck up good lord.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

This news seems to have triggered the alt-right.

I dont' see any alt righters in here. the only person in this whole topic that is causing problems is rebelelite who is upset that I am having a discusion about history
correction I guess there are 2 bad posters in here.

Zikten posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

This news seems to have triggered the alt-right.

I dont' see any alt righters in here. the only person in this whole topic that is causing problems is rebelelite who is upset that I am having a discusion about history
correction I guess there are 2 bad posters in here.

You bat for the alt-right constantly
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so much for reals before feels
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