Poll of the Day > Science discovers prisons legitimately don't work

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Zeus 02/09/18 4:53:23 PM #52:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... I think the scientists just stated the facts. But I think(and would hope) that most of them would agree that rapists should go to prison. Though it seems like you think they should be free to just go around raping... Unfortunately, letting them free to keep going - actually prevents more. It's sad, yes, but that's the reality right now. We need a different form of punishment. ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895782458] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote> I think the scientists just stated the facts. But I think(and would hope) that most of them would agree that rapists should go to prison. Though it seems like you think they should be free to just go around raping...</quote> Unfortunately, letting them free to keep going - actually prevents more. It's sad, yes, but that's the reality right now. We need a different form of punishment.</quote> ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/09/18 4:56:22 PM #53:	Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895782620] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/09/18 5:41:00 PM #54:	Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895785082] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/09/18 5:45:05 PM #55:	LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? Well, science seems to disagree. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895785283] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> Well, science seems to disagree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkdamental 02/09/18 5:45:44 PM #56:	Lokarin posted... Unfortunately, letting them free to keep going - actually prevents more. I'm utterly convinced that allowing a violent, abusive husband to continue to stay with his wife and kids, despite beating her up for the umpteenth time, would make her feel safer on those nights when he comes back home drunk yet again. I'm sure "science" will back me up on this. --- texty bastard <cite>Funkdamental posted [p:895785322] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Unfortunately, letting them free to keep going - actually prevents more.</quote> I'm utterly convinced that allowing a violent, abusive husband to continue to stay with his wife and kids, despite beating her up for the umpteenth time, would make her feel safer on those nights when he comes back home drunk yet again. I'm sure "science" will back me up on this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/09/18 5:47:36 PM #57:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? Well, science seems to disagree. Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895785436] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> Well, science seems to disagree.</quote> Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/09/18 5:49:35 PM #58:	LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? Well, science seems to disagree. Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit. If I provide a source and you don't read the source then why do I even source? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895785533] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> Well, science seems to disagree.</quote> Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit.</quote> If I provide a source and you don't read the source then why do I even source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 02/09/18 5:52:56 PM #59:	Zeus posted... Technically it was always there to some degree. https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-prisons-incarceration/history-of-imprisonment/ The original purpose of confining a person within a prison was not to punish them, but was a means of keeping the perpetrator of a crime detained until the actual punishment could be carried out. This was usually in the form of corporal punishment that was intended to cause the guilty person pain, such as being beaten with a whip, or capital punishment which used a variety of methods to claim the lives of condemned individuals. London is known as the birthplace of modern imprisonment. A Philosopher named Jeremy Bentham was against the death penalty and thus created a concept for a prison that would be used to hold prisoners as a form of punishment. Prison isn't to cure the ill, it's to punish the wicked and take perpetrators out of society. I want old prison back, there's a lot to be said to kicking the shit out of rapists. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:895785725] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Technically it was always there to some degree.</quote> https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-prisons-incarceration/history-of-imprisonment/ <quote>The original purpose of confining a person within a prison was not to punish them, but was a means of keeping the perpetrator of a crime detained until the actual punishment could be carried out. This was usually in the form of corporal punishment that was intended to cause the guilty person pain, such as being beaten with a whip, or capital punishment which used a variety of methods to claim the lives of condemned individuals. London is known as the birthplace of modern imprisonment. A Philosopher named Jeremy Bentham was against the death penalty and thus created a concept for a prison that would be used to hold prisoners as a form of punishment.</quote> Prison isn't to cure the ill, it's to punish the wicked and take perpetrators out of society. I want old prison back, there's a lot to be said to kicking the shit out of rapists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/09/18 5:55:15 PM #60:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? Well, science seems to disagree. Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit. If I provide a source and you don't read the source then why do I even source? All the source says is (in less words)the ones in shitty prisons have a chance of re-offending(I believe). But you know who else has a chance of re-offending? The ones who don't get punished for doing something illegal. They will also most likely re-offend. Because it will seem like no one cares what they're doing. I can't read the hole thing because I'm at work, though. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895785854] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> Well, science seems to disagree.</quote> Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit.</quote> If I provide a source and you don't read the source then why do I even source?</quote> All the source says is (in less words)the ones in shitty prisons have a chance of re-offending(I believe). But you know who else has a chance of re-offending? The ones who don't get punished for doing something illegal. They will also most likely re-offend. Because it will seem like no one cares what they're doing. I can't read the hole thing because I'm at work, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 02/09/18 5:55:23 PM #61:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? Well, science seems to disagree. Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit. If I provide a source and you don't read the source then why do I even source? Once scientific article is not "proof", proof would be many scientific studies and a conclusion based on all of them providing the same result. --- I am a senior software engineer. If you see me post here, I am tired of writing TPS reports. <cite>Dikitain posted [p:895785860] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> Well, science seems to disagree.</quote> Explain it to me, then. Because they sounds like a load of shit.</quote> If I provide a source and you don't read the source then why do I even source?</quote> Once scientific article is not "proof", proof would be many scientific studies and a conclusion based on all of them providing the same result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 6:04:11 PM #62:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... ...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught. Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison? The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop? Well, science seems to disagree. Because you're interpreting the research wrong. Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... Technically it was always there to some degree. https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-prisons-incarceration/history-of-imprisonment/ The original purpose of confining a person within a prison was not to punish them, but was a means of keeping the perpetrator of a crime detained until the actual punishment could be carried out. This was usually in the form of corporal punishment that was intended to cause the guilty person pain, such as being beaten with a whip, or capital punishment which used a variety of methods to claim the lives of condemned individuals. London is known as the birthplace of modern imprisonment. A Philosopher named Jeremy Bentham was against the death penalty and thus created a concept for a prison that would be used to hold prisoners as a form of punishment. Prison isn't to cure the ill, it's to punish the wicked and take perpetrators out of society. I want old prison back, there's a lot to be said to kicking the shit out of rapists. ...which again was designed with the intention of changing their wicked ways because any punitive measure that lets a person free after is done so with the assumption that they're not going to re-offend. More importantly, you're citing a system that came far later. Otherwise, the old legal system allowed a noble to arrest a commoner for any reason. And, it should be noted, that traditionally old punishment systems didn't "kick the shit out of rapists," they punished by either fining them, forcing the rapist to marry their victim, or raping the rapist's female relative. (Not to mention that the victim would be honor-killed in some societies.) --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895786357] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...that's literally not true at all. Sex offenders who aren't caught generally re-offend until they're caught.</quote> Yes, and what about after caught - but without prison?</quote> The same thing. Because they had no punoshment at all. If they can do whatever they want without punishment, why stop?</quote> Well, science seems to disagree.</quote> Because you're interpreting the research wrong. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Technically it was always there to some degree.</quote> https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-prisons-incarceration/history-of-imprisonment/ <quote>The original purpose of confining a person within a prison was not to punish them, but was a means of keeping the perpetrator of a crime detained until the actual punishment could be carried out. This was usually in the form of corporal punishment that was intended to cause the guilty person pain, such as being beaten with a whip, or capital punishment which used a variety of methods to claim the lives of condemned individuals. London is known as the birthplace of modern imprisonment. A Philosopher named Jeremy Bentham was against the death penalty and thus created a concept for a prison that would be used to hold prisoners as a form of punishment.</quote> Prison isn't to cure the ill, it's to punish the wicked and take perpetrators out of society. I want old prison back, there's a lot to be said to kicking the shit out of rapists.</quote> ...which again was designed with the intention of changing their wicked ways because any punitive measure that lets a person free after is done so with the assumption that they're not going to re-offend. More importantly, you're citing a system that came far later. Otherwise, the old legal system allowed a noble to arrest a commoner for any reason. And, it should be noted, that traditionally old punishment systems didn't "kick the shit out of rapists," they punished by either fining them, forcing the rapist to marry their victim, or raping the rapist's female relative. (Not to mention that the victim would be honor-killed in some societies.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 02/09/18 6:18:04 PM #63:	Zeus posted... ...which again was designed with the intention of changing their wicked ways because any punitive measure that lets a person free after is done so with the assumption that they're not going to re-offend. Not really, you don't hold them indefinitely because it's impractical and you don't kill them to avoid looking like a tyrant. Punishments are doled out as a show of strength to keep the opponent and their allies suppressed. Zeus posted... More importantly, you're citing a system that came far later. Otherwise, the old legal system allowed a noble to arrest a commoner for any reason. They're the same reason. You don't imprison people for no reason, you do it because of some kind of slight from some perspective. You're also ignoring that a lord's right to control his people on his land is a right of the lord as the ruler of that land, it's not a law imposed on him or the people. Zeus posted... And, it should be noted, that traditionally old punishment systems didn't "kick the shit out of rapists," they punished by either fining them, forcing the rapist to marry their victim, or raping the rapist's female relative. And it should be noted that a bunch of ancient tribal pagans do not represent modern values. Rape is a crime socially treated similarly to murder, and back then they would be hung. This feels appropriate now. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:895787075] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>...which again was designed with the intention of changing their wicked ways because any punitive measure that lets a person free after is done so with the assumption that they're not going to re-offend. </quote> Not really, you don't hold them indefinitely because it's impractical and you don't kill them to avoid looking like a tyrant. Punishments are doled out as a show of strength to keep the opponent and their allies suppressed. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>More importantly, you're citing a system that came far later. Otherwise, the old legal system allowed a noble to arrest a commoner for any reason. </quote> They're the same reason. You don't imprison people for no reason, you do it because of some kind of slight from some perspective. You're also ignoring that a lord's right to control his people on his land is a right of the lord as the ruler of that land, it's not a law imposed on him or the people. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And, it should be noted, that traditionally old punishment systems didn't "kick the shit out of rapists," they punished by either fining them, forcing the rapist to marry their victim, or raping the rapist's female relative.</quote> And it should be noted that a bunch of ancient tribal pagans do not represent modern values. Rape is a crime socially treated similarly to murder, and back then they would be hung. This feels appropriate now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 02/09/18 6:59:02 PM #64:	No more laws! lets do it --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:895789304] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>No more laws! lets do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/09/18 7:00:17 PM #65:	using this logic, are you saying the rapist should go free. So, everybody gets one rape free of charge or something. Because that's what it sounds like... https://imgur.com/a/uaMnE?s=sms --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895789370] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>using this logic, are you saying the rapist should go free. So, everybody gets one rape free of charge or something. Because that's what it sounds like... https://imgur.com/a/uaMnE?s=sms</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/09/18 7:02:27 PM #66:	Nah, just that prison isn't the answer. Fines/tariffs/garnishes as well as emotional support (similar to child support) would help. The goal is to decrease the net total of crime among the populace - the individual criminal doesn't matter. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895789479] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Nah, just that prison isn't the answer. Fines/tariffs/garnishes as well as emotional support (similar to child support) would help. The goal is to decrease the net total of crime among the populace - the individual criminal doesn't matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 02/09/18 7:04:52 PM #67:	Lokarin posted... Nah, just that prison isn't the answer. Fines/tariffs/garnishes as well as emotional support (similar to child support) would help. The goal is to decrease the net total of crime among the populace - the individual criminal doesn't matter. Logically you should offer these services prior to crimes to deter crime, not encourage it. After all, you're implying all criminals are just damaged people who haven't been helped yet. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:895789600] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, just that prison isn't the answer. Fines/tariffs/garnishes as well as emotional support (similar to child support) would help. The goal is to decrease the net total of crime among the populace - the individual criminal doesn't matter.</quote> Logically you should offer these services prior to crimes to deter crime, not encourage it. After all, you're implying all criminals are just damaged people who haven't been helped yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 10:36:51 PM #68:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Not really, you don't hold them indefinitely because it's impractical and you don't kill them to avoid looking like a tyrant. Punishments are doled out as a show of strength to keep the opponent and their allies suppressed. Considering the number of crimes people were executed for, I'm not sure that's true. Keep in mind that even thievery used to sometimes carry the death penalty. Then, of course, a lot of the people who subjected to most of these punishments weren't in the positions of power where they could overthrow anybody. Kyuubi4269 posted... They're the same reason. You don't imprison people for no reason, you do it because of some kind of slight from some perspective. You're also ignoring that a lord's right to control his people on his land is a right of the lord as the ruler of that land, it's not a law imposed on him or the people. I should have clarified "no legitimate or good reason." As for a lord's right to control people on his land, he could order the arrest people who were neither his vassals nor were on his land. Voltaire, for instance, criticized the son of a noble who then paid some men to beat him and, when Voltaire sought to challenge the son to a duel, the noble had him arrested and then forced into exile. Kyuubi4269 posted... And it should be noted that a bunch of ancient tribal pagans do not represent modern values. Rape is a crime socially treated similarly to murder, and back then they would be hung. This feels appropriate now. The problem with that assertion was that the practice wasn't limited to ancient tribal pagans and was in fact practiced... well, some of it was practiced up until recently and is still practiced in some communities. Hell, even the US has had provisions that allowed rapists to marry their victims to avoid jail although that was more the case with statutory rape. Sometime within the past year, somebody (and a few names come to mind, but I'm not 100% sure who it was) posted an article about the practice of child brides where, in at least case, a forcible rape within a developed nation (I think it was the US, but not 100% sure) did end in marriage instead of a conviction. Unless you're specifically referring to lynching -- which happened even with consensual mixed-race relationships -- I'm not sure hanging has ever really been employed on a mainstream level as a legal punishment for rape. That's more wishful thinking on your part. Hanging was big for some forms of theft and a catch-all for murder. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895800365] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Not really, you don't hold them indefinitely because it's impractical and you don't kill them to avoid looking like a tyrant. Punishments are doled out as a show of strength to keep the opponent and their allies suppressed.</quote> Considering the number of crimes people were executed for, I'm not sure that's true. Keep in mind that even thievery used to sometimes carry the death penalty. Then, of course, a lot of the people who subjected to most of these punishments weren't in the positions of power where they could overthrow anybody. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>They're the same reason. You don't imprison people for no reason, you do it because of some kind of slight from some perspective. You're also ignoring that a lord's right to control his people on his land is a right of the lord as the ruler of that land, it's not a law imposed on him or the people.</quote> I should have clarified "no legitimate or good reason." As for a lord's right to control people on his land, he could order the arrest people who were neither his vassals nor were on his land. Voltaire, for instance, criticized the son of a noble who then paid some men to beat him and, when Voltaire sought to challenge the son to a duel, the noble had him arrested and then forced into exile. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>And it should be noted that a bunch of ancient tribal pagans do not represent modern values. Rape is a crime socially treated similarly to murder, and back then they would be hung. This feels appropriate now.</quote> The problem with that assertion was that the practice wasn't limited to ancient tribal pagans and was in fact practiced... well, some of it was practiced up until recently and is still practiced in some communities. Hell, even the US has had provisions that allowed rapists to marry their victims to avoid jail although that was more the case with statutory rape. Sometime within the past year, somebody (and a few names come to mind, but I'm not 100% sure who it was) posted an article about the practice of child brides where, in at least case, a forcible rape within a developed nation (I think it was the US, but not 100% sure) did end in marriage instead of a conviction. Unless you're specifically referring to lynching -- which happened even with consensual mixed-race relationships -- I'm not sure hanging has ever really been employed on a mainstream level as a legal punishment for rape. That's more wishful thinking on your part. Hanging was big for some forms of theft and a catch-all for murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 10:45:18 PM #69:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Lokarin posted... Nah, just that prison isn't the answer. Fines/tariffs/garnishes as well as emotional support (similar to child support) would help. The goal is to decrease the net total of crime among the populace - the individual criminal doesn't matter. Logically you should offer these services prior to crimes to deter crime, not encourage it. After all, you're implying all criminals are just damaged people who haven't been helped yet. A lot of criminals are defective in some way. Violent offenders, for instance, typically come from troubled backgrounds. Otherwise while I agree with the idea of punishment, the real objective is stopping the crime from occurring. Deterrents are generally lousy when it comes to stopping many crimes because criminals tend to do things anyway. Even when we had harsher punishments, it didn't stop them from committing crimes. And, on a more general note, we could stop 25-30% of crimes in this country if people didn't imbibe. Alcohol damages the brain, reducing impulse control and making people more inclined to commit illegal behavior. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895800811] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, just that prison isn't the answer. Fines/tariffs/garnishes as well as emotional support (similar to child support) would help. The goal is to decrease the net total of crime among the populace - the individual criminal doesn't matter.</quote> Logically you should offer these services prior to crimes to deter crime, not encourage it. After all, you're implying all criminals are just damaged people who haven't been helped yet.</quote> A lot of criminals are defective in some way. Violent offenders, for instance, typically come from troubled backgrounds. Otherwise while I agree with the idea of punishment, the real objective is stopping the crime from occurring. Deterrents are generally lousy when it comes to stopping many crimes because criminals tend to do things anyway. Even when we had harsher punishments, it didn't stop them from committing crimes. And, on a more general note, we could stop 25-30% of crimes in this country if people didn't imbibe. Alcohol damages the brain, reducing impulse control and making people more inclined to commit illegal behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 02/09/18 10:45:34 PM #70:	start killing repeat offenders, problem solved. not everyone can be fixed nor wants to be. <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:895800822] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>start killing repeat offenders, problem solved. not everyone can be fixed nor wants to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/10/18 12:37:44 AM #71:	KaptainKiro posted... start killing repeat offenders, problem solved. not everyone can be fixed nor wants to be. The problem is that the current approach doesn't even try to fix most people. In many cases, there are incentives for ensuring that prisoners don't rehab, as is the case with for-profit prisons which is among the worst things to turn for-profit. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895805660] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote>start killing repeat offenders, problem solved. not everyone can be fixed nor wants to be.</quote> The problem is that the current approach doesn't even try to fix most people. In many cases, there are incentives for ensuring that prisoners don't rehab, as is the case with for-profit prisons which is among the worst things to turn for-profit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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