Current Events > Olympians are HORRIFIED seeing DOG MEAT being Sold in South Korea!!

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LJRENEGADE posted...

TheGrindery posted...

The other animals weren't bred to form the bond and be companions. They were either bred for food or are animals that simply already existed.

So if someone started breeding dogs to be eaten, it would be okay?

If they start from the wolf until it's a dog and do so without making emotional bonds along the way, then yes.

TheGrindery posted...

LJRENEGADE posted...

TheGrindery posted...

The other animals weren't bred to form the bond and be companions. They were either bred for food or are animals that simply already existed.

So if someone started breeding dogs to be eaten, it would be okay?

If they start from the wolf until it's a dog and do so without making emotional bonds along the way, then yes.

Fair enough then, I can't say you're inconsistent

The fuck do they expect? >_> It's part of their culture.

I wouldn't mind trying dog meat though. I wonder how it tastes >_>
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you have no point other than that dogs were supposedly domesticated differently, even though not all dogs are the same, nor were all breeds developed solely for companionship

when you boil it all down, it's just you thinking that you > others

and the thing is, you're more than entitled to think that way, but at least acknowledge that that's all it is
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Grindery clearly just wants GMO stickers so we know the difference
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Nobody said solely. They were mostly bred for a lot of work purposes. It's hard to get something to be willing to die for you without also getting it to care about you.

Being from a different country or having a different complexion shields nobody from my views.

Let me be a CEman about it. "Imagine thinking eating something that cares about you is on par with milk in a bag vs milk in a jug/carton."

dude, pigs and cows can form bonds too

and i'm pretty sure that they'll defend their owner if they see them being attacked too (or at least do something drastic in response; actually, a lot of different animals have the capacity for this)

and "shields nobody from my views"?

quit trying to turn your close-mindedness into some kind of nerd badassery
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TheGrindery posted...

twitterfriends posted...

No, look at a wild pig and a farm pig, they're much different - we have successfully domestic pigs and other livestock.

Not as companions and helpers that get praised and all of that. The attention and trust formed and all of that. Killing a dog outside of self-defense or mercy is quite a stab in the back.

And yes some people will play with the livestock they later eat. That's fucked up. If you're going to eat it, just make sure it gets food and water and all of that. Don't bond with it, ffs.

Some very sheltered people itt
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NadYobWoc posted...

Some very sheltered people itt

Makes sense. Eating dog happens a lot in countries where many of the people don't have shelter.

TheGrindery posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

Some very sheltered people itt

Makes sense. Eating dog happens a lot in countries where many of the people don't have shelter.

Thank you for proving my point bud.
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Don't sarcastically act like this thread isn't an entertaining read.

I mean yeah it's entertaining, but the arguments against eating dog are logically bankrupt.
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if its not your culture, and you don't understand it.......dont speak on it
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NadYobWoc posted...

I mean yeah it's entertaining, but the arguments against eating dog are logically bankrupt.

Shuto-uke posted...

Dogs are pets. Theyre genetically predisposed to love people.

A dog sees its owner as its parent, best friend and hero all rolled up into one.

Dogs detect bombs, guide blind people, protect people, dig up earthquake victims and even go to war with us.

Fuck dog eating it is barbaric and evil.

TheGrindery posted...

It's hard to get something to be willing to die for you without also getting it to care about you.

Let me be a CEman about it. "Imagine thinking eating something that cares about you is on par with milk in a bag vs milk in a jug/carton."

TheGrindery posted...

Well considering that people all over the world helped to create the dog, the whole thing applies to them too.

TheGrindery posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

I mean yeah it's entertaining, but the arguments against eating dog are logically bankrupt.

Shuto-uke posted...

Dogs are pets. Theyre genetically predisposed to love people.

A dog sees its owner as its parent, best friend and hero all rolled up into one.

Dogs detect bombs, guide blind people, protect people, dig up earthquake victims and even go to war with us.

Fuck dog eating it is barbaric and evil.

Other animals like pigs and cows are as capable as dogs when it comes to bonds with humans. As for the utility of dogs, this argument is strictly ego based and has little to do with the value of a life.

TheGrindery posted...

It's hard to get something to be willing to die for you without also getting it to care about you.

Let me be a CEman about it. "Imagine thinking eating something that cares about you is on par with milk in a bag vs milk in a jug/carton."

This is nonsensical, not much to argue here

TheGrindery posted...

Well considering that people all over the world helped to create the dog, the whole thing applies to them too.

People all over the world helped create most domesticated animals, including those we eat. Again, an ego based argument with little logical standing.

If you don't want to eat dog, that's totally fine. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's a moral issue though, because that is plainly hypocritical.
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Earlier I also said that forming bonds with something and then eating it is fucked up. That's why I said if you're raising something to eat it, you should just make sure it stays alive and not play with it or name it or anything like that.

And value isn't something you'll find on the periodic table of elements. Of course it's a personal thing and those vary. I'm just explaining my angle on why I find it fucked up. I don't subscribe to the whole meaning of life thing on a universal or inherent way. That's up to the individual.

I would also like to know how respecting that they value us as well is illogical. Forming a bond of trust with something and then killing it is betrayal.

Cows are sacred creatures in India. Whenever someone from India visits an American restaurant that establishment must halt serving beef so no one is offended. No you say? They should respect our culture or go back to their country? Agreed, so stop bitching about another culture when you visit their country. Or just leave.

You don't respect India's relationship with cows, or care about their disgust of cooking cows. And you don't have to. Why the fuck should outsiders respect our relationships with dogs and cater to us? They don't have to.
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dogs are people too :(
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DarkProto05 posted...

Cows are sacred creatures in India. Whenever someone from India visits an American restaurant that establishment must halt serving beef so no one is offended. No you say? They should respect our culture or go back to their country? Agreed, so stop bitching about another culture when you visit their country. Or just leave.

You don't respect India's relationship with cows, or care about their disgust of cooking cows. And you don't have to. Why the fuck should outsiders respect our relationships with dogs and cater to us? They don't have to.

Because the people that are sharing their opinions on it actually expect people to change.

TheGrindery posted...

Earlier I also said that forming bonds with something and then eating it is fucked up. That's why I said if you're raising something to eat it, you should just make sure it stays alive and not play with it or name it or anything like that.

And value isn't something you'll find on the periodic table of elements. Of course it's a personal thing and those vary. I'm just explaining my angle on why I find it fucked up. I don't subscribe to the whole meaning of life thing on a universal or inherent way. That's up to the individual.

I would also like to know how respecting that they value us as well is illogical. Forming a bond of trust with something and then killing it is betrayal.

Does a pet pig not value its owner? And why do you assume dogs raised as livestock value "their people"?
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Yes and if it's a pet pig, don't eat it. If it's just a pig that you've provided with food and water until it got big enough to eat then absolutely.

TheGrindery posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Cows are sacred creatures in India. Whenever someone from India visits an American restaurant that establishment must halt serving beef so no one is offended. No you say? They should respect our culture or go back to their country? Agreed, so stop bitching about another culture when you visit their country. Or just leave.

You don't respect India's relationship with cows, or care about their disgust of cooking cows. And you don't have to. Why the fuck should outsiders respect our relationships with dogs and cater to us? They don't have to.

Because the people that are sharing their opinions on it actually expect people to change.

You think no one has brought up the dog issue without expecting change? You're arguing from a place of low-information.
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Yeah. PETA members. They've complained about Mario jumping on turtles, though.

TheGrindery posted...

Yes and if it's a pet pig, don't eat it. If it's just a pig that you've provided with food and water until it got big enough to eat then absolutely.

@TheGrindery And if it's a dog that you've just provided with food and water until it got big enough to eat?
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That's what happens when sheltered people leave their bubble
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Then insert argument about how we bred them down from wolves and are responsible for their species existing at all. I consider that a moral reason to not eat dogs at all.

Earlier I also said that if someone started with wolves and then began the process of making the dog all over again and DIDN'T include forming bonds in the breeding, I'd be fine with that.

eggcorn posted...

respect the culture of the place you're visiting.

^^^^
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eggcorn posted...

respect the culture of the place you're visiting.

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26_Sandman_39 posted...

St0rmFury posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

just a friendly reminder

every argument in favor of eating dog can be used in favor of eating humans. just remember that the next time you try to actually argue that "dogs are animals too" bullshit.

Um... no?

"dogs are animals too just like cows"
"humans are animals too just like cows"

"dog eating is part of ____ culture"
"cannibalism is part of ____ culture"

"the life of a dog shouldn't have more value than the life of a cow"
"the life of a human shouldn't have more value than the life of a cow"

lmao classic Sandman logic. Are you upset that running over a dog isn't anywhere close to running over a human too? Just to clear your perpetual ignorance though, cannibalism itself actually isn't illegal in most places.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/shortcuts/2015/dec/16/eating-people-is-wrong-but-is-it-against-the-law
http://www.weirduniverse.net/blog/comments/is_cannibalism_illegal
it's that all the processes to get it is illegal, assisted suicide and desecration of corpses are illegal and murder obviously is, though knowing you you're probably surprised by one of those.
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TheGrindery posted...

Then insert argument about how we bred them down from wolves and are responsible for their species existing at all. I consider that a moral reason to not eat dogs at all.

Earlier I also said that if someone started with wolves and then began the process of making the dog all over again and DIDN'T include forming bonds in the breeding, I'd be fine with that.

No one cares about the morals of an alt righter who supports beating children.

seems weird you find it more callous to raise a group of dogs without affection and purely for food due to the history of the entire species and relation to those you know moreso than you seem to mind utilizing another species to modify an entirely new group to subsist on exclusively without affection

ignoring, of course, that the introduction of a similar but new source alone would not necessarily change the perception/value of dog itself in the culture, but merely introduce a new series of life for cultivation

seems more logically defensible to go veggie
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I do not subscribe to the argument in comparing it to eating human meat. There are diseases that you only get from cannibalism. We definitely shouldn't eat people (except maybe in one of those extreme hypotheticals) because it's programmed into us not to.

I'd say NOT eating each other has done a decent amount in getting us this far as a species.

Dash_Harber posted...

Yeah, that is so disgusting!
*Goes back to eating sausage, hot dogs, pate, sauerkraut, escargot, and caviar*

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twitterfriends posted...

Well those people are ignorant as fuck if you ask me, other cultures eat different food. In America we eat cow where in regions of the world its forbidden but they dont come over and petition to stop it.

This. You can't say which animals are edible because you like one more. You either eat meat or you don't. These whiners are turds.
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NadYobWoc posted...

TheGrindery posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

I mean yeah it's entertaining, but the arguments against eating dog are logically bankrupt.

Shuto-uke posted...

Dogs are pets. Theyre genetically predisposed to love people.

A dog sees its owner as its parent, best friend and hero all rolled up into one.

Dogs detect bombs, guide blind people, protect people, dig up earthquake victims and even go to war with us.

Fuck dog eating it is barbaric and evil.

Other animals like pigs and cows are as capable as dogs when it comes to bonds with humans. As for the utility of dogs, this argument is strictly ego based and has little to do with the value of a life.

TheGrindery posted...

It's hard to get something to be willing to die for you without also getting it to care about you.

Let me be a CEman about it. "Imagine thinking eating something that cares about you is on par with milk in a bag vs milk in a jug/carton."

This is nonsensical, not much to argue here

TheGrindery posted...

Well considering that people all over the world helped to create the dog, the whole thing applies to them too.

People all over the world helped create most domesticated animals, including those we eat. Again, an ego based argument with little logical standing.

If you don't want to eat dog, that's totally fine. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's a moral issue though, because that is plainly hypocritical.

So there are pigs willing to give their life for their human caretakers?

Like imagine there is a kid walking around and a cougar attacks the kid and this heroic pig jumps in and fights the cougar to save the boy

DarkProto05 posted...

Cows are sacred creatures in India. Whenever someone from India visits an American restaurant that establishment must halt serving beef so no one is offended. No you say? They should respect our culture or go back to their country? Agreed, so stop bitching about another culture when you visit their country. Or just leave.

You don't respect India's relationship with cows, or care about their disgust of cooking cows. And you don't have to. Why the fuck should outsiders respect our relationships with dogs and cater to us? They don't have to.

I respect dogs because I have seen videos of dogs mourning their owners deaths over their grave. I have read news stories of dogs fighting off cougars to save their child-owner. I know dogs can be guide dogs for blind people.

A cow is sacred because some dude made up a fairy tale about people with elephant trunks in their face and a woman with 8 arms and sacred cows.

Shuto-uke posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

TheGrindery posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

I mean yeah it's entertaining, but the arguments against eating dog are logically bankrupt.

Shuto-uke posted...

Dogs are pets. Theyre genetically predisposed to love people.

A dog sees its owner as its parent, best friend and hero all rolled up into one.

Dogs detect bombs, guide blind people, protect people, dig up earthquake victims and even go to war with us.

Fuck dog eating it is barbaric and evil.

Other animals like pigs and cows are as capable as dogs when it comes to bonds with humans. As for the utility of dogs, this argument is strictly ego based and has little to do with the value of a life.

TheGrindery posted...

It's hard to get something to be willing to die for you without also getting it to care about you.

Let me be a CEman about it. "Imagine thinking eating something that cares about you is on par with milk in a bag vs milk in a jug/carton."

This is nonsensical, not much to argue here

TheGrindery posted...

Well considering that people all over the world helped to create the dog, the whole thing applies to them too.

People all over the world helped create most domesticated animals, including those we eat. Again, an ego based argument with little logical standing.

If you don't want to eat dog, that's totally fine. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's a moral issue though, because that is plainly hypocritical.

So there are pigs willing to give their life for their human caretakers?

Like imagine there is a kid walking around and a cougar attacks the kid and this heroic pig jumps in and fights the cougar to save the boy

http://time.com/2852984/hero-pig-saves-family-from-fire/
https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/1554/This-Pot-Bellied-Pig-Played-Dead-To-Save-Her-Dying-Owner
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DD Divine posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Yeah, that is so disgusting!
*Goes back to eating sausage, hot dogs, pate, sauerkraut, escargot, and caviar*

My pet snail gets so happy when he sees me <B not!

GiftedACIII posted...

http://time.com/2852984/hero-pig-saves-family-from-fire/
https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/1554/This-Pot-Bellied-Pig-Played-Dead-To-Save-Her-Dying-Owner

Literally ran away in fear and took a nap

Shuto-uke posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

http://time.com/2852984/hero-pig-saves-family-from-fire/
https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/1554/This-Pot-Bellied-Pig-Played-Dead-To-Save-Her-Dying-Owner

Literally ran away in fear and took a nap

Did you read the second link?
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If you raise the pig to love you and then eat it, you're fucked in the head. Either way, though...we aren't the reason the pig exists.

xOmniCloudx posted...

There's no difference at all. They're animals, people kill them and people eat them. There's undomesticated breeds of animals people keep as pets and I'm sure you'd be bother by people even eating those.

Fact is, you're just emotionally attached so can't bare it but at the same time, there are people emotionally attached to animals you eat that are FORBIDDEN. Only culture make sit any different. At the core, they're just more edible things to eat. If it's edible and not dangerous to your health, clearly you were meant to eat it.

Uh I just pointed out the difference. They weren't domesticated for meat. They weren't bred to be good tasting. That's the difference. Would you also eat bushmeat given the chance?
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There is a point of respecting the culture and I don't hate Korea for having dog restaurants.

I do hate how the places will have a literal chicken coop where the dogs are living on top of one another/can't even move before being taken out to be killed.

I'm not against eating meat but if you are going to do it, give them some form of respect. Cows, goats, chicken, sheep, dogs, etc... Just be as humane as possible.
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Kastrada posted...

There is a point of respecting the culture and I don't hate Korea for having dog restaurants.

I do hate how the places will have a literal chicken coop where the dogs are living on top of one another/can't even move before being taken out to be killed.

I'm not against eating meat but if you are going to do it, give them some form of respect. Cows, goats, chicken, sheep, dogs, etc... Just be as humane as possible.

This I can agree with.
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This just in: foreigners disagree with local customs and think their way is the best way. Also, water is wet. News at 11.
Don't knock it till you try it. To you they're pets, to them they're livestock, get over yourselves and just don't eat it.
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You should respect the culture while there. There is no reason to respect the culture if you arent there though
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Wow.

Lets get almost every country in the world to peacefully compete in sporting events but bash the host country for their different food items.

Gotta call anyone who does this a major dick.

Americans think cows aren't full of emotions? Just a slab of meat with 4 legs?

Pretty sure America should take a hard look at the food industry in their own country first.
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if they want to host the olympics cant they pick up their act though? its like rio olympic games where the disgusting quality of water etc over there made visitors/competitors sick, contract diseases in some cases. thats not really great for a global event
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