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ModLogic
02/11/18 6:18:33 AM
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Fam_Fam
02/11/18 6:21:51 AM
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yep
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Capital_Tenant
02/11/18 6:22:33 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
yep

Well we got the answer

Now what?
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Turtlebread
02/11/18 6:24:17 AM
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now we reflect on what we have learnt today
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I is smart
02/11/18 6:27:08 AM
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Except ads do more (and many do worse) than just generate revenue for sites.
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Trayvon
02/11/18 6:34:12 AM
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"potential revenue"

lmao so it's theft of something that doesn't even exist smh
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Rika_Furude
02/11/18 6:39:12 AM
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piracy is called piracy for a reason. it isnt even comparable to theft.

adblocking is a literal requirement if you care at all about PC security or privacy or general quality of the internet
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ModLogic
02/11/18 2:37:01 PM
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Capital_Tenant posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
yep

Well we got the answer

Now what?

mark people who use adblock
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Trigg3rH4ppy
02/11/18 2:38:48 PM
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ModLogic posted...
Capital_Tenant posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
yep

Well we got the answer

Now what?

mark people who use adblock

I use adblock here. Fuckin try me tough guy.

*puts up his dukes*
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P4wn4g3
02/11/18 3:12:07 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
piracy is called piracy for a reason. it isnt even comparable to theft.

Basically this, to be a true pirate you need to raid ships, rape and kill people, and be part of an underground network where you can then sell your goods for blood money. The term piracy as far as digital works go is just the entetatianmanetfaqs industry's attempt to make casual bootlegging sound much more heinous than it is, and since this is the only negotiation option given to people for digital works it holds no water which is why big fish are taken down.
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Anteaterking
02/11/18 3:15:12 PM
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DevsBro
02/11/18 3:15:23 PM
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Yep, adblockers are also wrong.

But in fairness the war over Internet ads has gotten to a point where our hands are basically forced.
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Dustin1280
02/11/18 3:15:52 PM
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<insert post about study that was done that determined piracy has little to no effect on profits at all>
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Cheater87
02/11/18 3:20:39 PM
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I adblock because of malvertizing.
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P4wn4g3
02/11/18 3:23:34 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
I adblock because of malvertizing.

Yeah, this is basically why adblocking is fine. Though even if it were perfectly clean I have no sympathy for an industry that inserts itself into everything like a desparate stalker.
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DevsBro
02/11/18 3:24:37 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
<insert post about study that was done that determined piracy has little to no effect on profits at all>

I'd like to see that study, tbh. There are lots of ways you could come to that conclusion and still be wrong.

For example: if everyone who pirated the game simply didn't play the game, there would be no difference in profit.
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Rika_Furude
02/11/18 3:24:56 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Yep, adblockers are also wrong.

But in fairness the war over Internet ads has gotten to a point where our hands are basically forced.

Ad blockers have never been and will never be wrong
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ModLogic
02/11/18 3:26:30 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Cheater87 posted...
I adblock because of malvertizing.

Yeah, this is basically why adblocking is fine. Though even if it were perfectly clean I have no sympathy for an industry that inserts itself into everything like a desparate stalker.

justifying theft. ridiculous.
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DevsBro
02/11/18 3:26:39 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
DevsBro posted...
Yep, adblockers are also wrong.

But in fairness the war over Internet ads has gotten to a point where our hands are basically forced.

Ad blockers have never been and will never be wrong

Dang I hadn't thought of it that way but you nake a pretty convincing argument
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voldothegr8
02/11/18 3:26:40 PM
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If ads weren't the #1 cause of computer viruses I wouldn't block them.
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Solar_Crimson
02/11/18 3:26:49 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
I adblock because of malvertizing.

This. Maybe advertisers should stop hiding malware and other annoying bits in their ads.
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whitelytning
02/11/18 3:27:54 PM
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If dog = a 4 legged creature with huge ears, a really long nose thing that can grab stuff, and tusks...

Then dogs...
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ModLogic
02/11/18 3:29:52 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Cheater87 posted...
I adblock because of malvertizing.

This. Maybe advertisers should stop hiding malware and other annoying bits in their ads.

then don't visit those sites. you have zero justification.
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Dustin1280
02/11/18 3:30:40 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
<insert post about study that was done that determined piracy has little to no effect on profits at all>

I'd like to see that study, tbh. There are lots of ways you could come to that conclusion and still be wrong.

For example: if everyone who pirated the game simply didn't play the game, there would be no difference in profit.


It's 300 pages, have fun.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
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darkjedilink
02/11/18 3:47:27 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
piracy is called piracy for a reason. it isnt even comparable to theft.

Basically this, to be a true pirate you need to raid ships, rape and kill people, and be part of an underground network where you can then sell your goods for blood money. The term piracy as far as digital works go is just the entetatianmanetfaqs industry's attempt to make casual bootlegging sound much more heinous than it is, and since this is the only negotiation option given to people for digital works it holds no water which is why big fish are taken down.

It's happened before that companies have more requests from customer service than copies sold. That isn't 'casual bootlegging.' That's lost sales.
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Rika_Furude
02/11/18 3:49:17 PM
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The company lost those sales for a reason. You cant blame "the pirates" for everything
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P4wn4g3
02/11/18 3:50:26 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
piracy is called piracy for a reason. it isnt even comparable to theft.

Basically this, to be a true pirate you need to raid ships, rape and kill people, and be part of an underground network where you can then sell your goods for blood money. The term piracy as far as digital works go is just the entetatianmanetfaqs industry's attempt to make casual bootlegging sound much more heinous than it is, and since this is the only negotiation option given to people for digital works it holds no water which is why big fish are taken down.

It's happened before that companies have more requests from customer service than copies sold. That isn't 'casual bootlegging.' That's lost sales.


Dustin1280 posted...
DevsBro posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
<insert post about study that was done that determined piracy has little to no effect on profits at all>

I'd like to see that study, tbh. There are lots of ways you could come to that conclusion and still be wrong.

For example: if everyone who pirated the game simply didn't play the game, there would be no difference in profit.


It's 300 pages, have fun.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

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Anteaterking
02/11/18 3:55:33 PM
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Dustin1280
02/11/18 4:04:43 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
WTF happened to your post Dustin:
https://imgur.com/a/gJy2k

If you refresh does it still display like that?
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kyujo
02/11/18 4:06:00 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
WTF happened to your post Dustin:
https://imgur.com/a/gJy2k

Been happening a lot since the changeover, assuming it has to do with that. Seen some weird stuff in some of them too that it feels like I shouldn't be seeing. Assuming Allen and friends are aware of it
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DevsBro
02/11/18 4:14:07 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
DevsBro posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
<insert post about study that was done that determined piracy has little to no effect on profits at all>

I'd like to see that study, tbh. There are lots of ways you could come to that conclusion and still be wrong.

For example: if everyone who pirated the game simply didn't play the game, there would be no difference in profit.


It's 300 pages, have fun.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

Thanks. Hopefully I can get the general sense of it without reading the whole thing.
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Anteaterking
02/11/18 6:23:47 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Anteaterking posted...
WTF happened to your post Dustin:
https://imgur.com/a/gJy2k

If you refresh does it still display like that?


No, it was just for one instance of the page.
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LinksLiege
02/11/18 6:27:08 PM
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ModLogic posted...
mark people who use adblock

Go ahead.

I'll never turn mine off for anyone.
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