Current Events > Isn't it weird that pitbulls, 11% of dog breeds, commit 50% of dog attacks?

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SK8T3R215 posted...

Isn't it weird that pitbull have a disproportionate amount of terrible owners than other dog breeds to explain all of their violent tendencies?

No no no, the vast majority of people are simply too stupid to distinguish a Pit from other breeds. Get with the program.
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Balrog0 posted...

Cal12 posted...

that collect data from erroneous sources like news sites rather than state by state data bases and the like without actually finding out the breed of the dog. Quite often attacks are mislabeled as pitbull attacks when its another breed of dog.

you realize that news reports are the only source of info for something like this, right? you are seriously mistaken if you think there are 'state by state data bases' that tabulate the breed of dogs that bite

There are quite a lot of sources that you can pull data from actually. A lot of states track dog bites, particularly those reported by hospitals. They just choose not to. Why would a news source be reliable for dog bite data? The lack of pictures of the dog(s) involved? The lack of analysis? The conjecture? The ease of getting people like yourself into a frenzy over the terrible devil dogs that must be eradicated from the planet cause the news is always right?

Taharqa_ posted...

More like folks tired of misinformation and ignorance. If I had a dollar for every time someone called my Cane Corso a Pit Bull I'd be able to buy another vehicle.

yeah this is pretty much the only defense of pitbulls that works

I just don't understand what the point of it is

'people are stupid, it isn't pitbulls [which isn't the formal name of a breed in the first place],it is the entire category of mastiffs/molossers!'

ok, so you're saying we should be getting rid of a wider range of dogs?
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Dogs have Stockholm syndrome. Dont pick on them.

Cal12 posted...

There are quite a lot of sources that you can pull date from actually. A lot of states track dog bites, particularly those reported by hospitals. They just choose not to.

there are no state databases that track the breed of the dog that bites. of course there are databases for animal control/crime reports that record whether or not a dog bit someone. that isn't the same thing.

Cal12 posted...

Why would a news source be reliable for dog bite data? The lack of pictures of the dog(s) involved? The lack of analysis? The conjecture? The ease of getting people like yourself into a frenzy over the terrible devil dogs that must be eradicated from the planet cause the news is always right?

why do you think a state database would solve these problems?
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Balrog0 posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

More like folks tired of misinformation and ignorance. If I had a dollar for every time someone called my Cane Corso a Pit Bull I'd be able to buy another vehicle.

yeah this is pretty much the only defense of pitbulls that works

I just don't understand what the point of it is

'people are stupid, it isn't pitbulls [which isn't the formal name of a breed in the first place],it is the entire category of mastiffs/molossers!'

ok, so you're saying we should be getting rid of a wider range of dogs?

I don't advocate getting rid of any dogs, I'm for responsible ownership and against irresponsible breeding.

People that say "Pit Bull" this and "Pit Bull" that when it's usually not even an actual Pit Bull. A lot of people don't even know what the hell they're looking at, including owners, much less the layperson that hates bull breeds.
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Balrog0 posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

More like folks tired of misinformation and ignorance. If I had a dollar for every time someone called my Cane Corso a Pit Bull I'd be able to buy another vehicle.

yeah this is pretty much the only defense of pitbulls that works

I just don't understand what the point of it is

'people are stupid, it isn't pitbulls [which isn't the formal name of a breed in the first place],it is the entire category of mastiffs/molossers!'

ok, so you're saying we should be getting rid of a wider range of dogs?

People are stupid when in a news report the police dont call the dog involved a pitbull nor the people involved in the attack yet the headline screams PIT BULL MAULS CHILD CAUSE NO OTHER BREED IS POSSIBLY CAPABLE OF THIS. We dont even usually get pictures of the dog involved .Its rather silly.

I don't even support 'pitbull bans' or anything like that, so I don't see how I am in a frenzy about it. I can just see the bare facts in front of my face without retreating into some kind of weird epistemic position where formal dog breed as defined by the AKA or whatever is the meaningful thing we're talking about here

it is even worse than gun control debates about 'assault weapons'
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SK8T3R215 posted...

HE DlN'T DO NUFFIN HE WUZ A GOOD DOG HE WAS GONNA GET HIS DOGGIE TRAINING CERTIFICATE

I think ? Blocks are worse posters than Sages at this point.
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Balrog0 posted...

I don't even support 'pitbull bans' or anything like that, so I don't see how I am in a frenzy about it. I can just see the bare facts in front of my face without retreating into some kind of weird epistemic position where formal dog breed as defined by the AKA or whatever is the meaningful thing we're talking about here

it is even worse than gun control debates about 'assault weapons'

You havent actually stated any bare facts. Youre just falling into the fallacy that pit bulls are the worst biters and cause the most fatalities cause the news says so.

I apologize as I was mistaken. There are county databases but not full state databases and not everyone tracks by breed but either way the news is hardly a reliable source for tracking dog bite data.

Comparing this to an assault gun ban is kind of ludicrous. Certainly not worse. The problem is out of the millions of pit bulls with responsible pitbull owners in the country the few that actually do bite or even kill are used to represent the millions that are well behaved and never do anything like this. Even then other breeds are commonly misrepresented as pit bulls in biting incidents where a pitbull wasnt even involved.

Kaname_Madoka posted...

part of it is because shitty owners tend to have pittys because theyre seen as badass

This.

Pitbulls from a decent breeder raised well are great dogs. Intelligent, loyal, and even good with kids.

There's a reason most places are rescinding bans on Pitbulls.

Also that's a fuckin idiotic statistic since Pitbulls is a term that actually comprises several breeds of dog.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

HE DlN'T DO NUFFIN HE WUZ A GOOD DOG HE WAS GONNA GET HIS DOGGIE TRAINING CERTIFICATE

blatant racism, not being moderated

classic gamefaqs
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voldothegr8 posted...

metralo posted...

it is entirely shitty owners

Except when you raise them right and they still snap into a murder machine.

Hmm, had mine for 10 years and never once was worried.
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Asherlee10 posted...

That comment was supposed to emulate someone of a certain race? I read it in a country/redneck accent in my head.

"Dindu nuffin" was a term coined around the Ferguson/Michael Brown case specifically with the intent to mock black people.
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It was a few days ago and apparently I can't pull it up anymore, but Facebook recently showed me a post I'd made several years back about a handful of dog attacks...

Three or four attacks by various breeds, one fatality and at least one other in critical condition, one of which involved the dog being shot by officers as it tried to attack them, each of those got some minor reporting in local/state news sources at most.

One non-fatal attack by a pitbull mix in the same week as those other attacks, made headline news across all the mainstream news outlets and ignited the pitbull debates again.
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metralo posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

HE DlN'T DO NUFFIN HE WUZ A GOOD DOG HE WAS GONNA GET HIS DOGGIE TRAINING CERTIFICATE

blatant racism, not being moderated

classic gamefaqs

voldothegr8 posted...

I don't understand the "shitty owner" argument. There are shitty owners of every dog breed, doesn't change the fact the vast majority of fatal or critical bites on humans are from Pits. Even with some breeds misidentified as Pits it's still a staggering statistic. But people continue to defend those living time bombs, whatever. Don't come crying to me when your "raised right" Pit snaps for no good reason and goes on a family murder spree.

This.
Why is it so hard to admit that Pitbulls are more dangerous than other dogs? If people admitted to it, it would be a safer world, you know. Only certain people should have Pitbulls. It isn't a "begginer" dog, or a "family" dog.
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Fake statistics.
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Thelema posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I don't understand the "shitty owner" argument. There are shitty owners of every dog breed, doesn't change the fact the vast majority of fatal or critical bites on humans are from Pits. Even with some breeds misidentified as Pits it's still a staggering statistic. But people continue to defend those living time bombs, whatever. Don't come crying to me when your "raised right" Pit snaps for no good reason and goes on a family murder spree.

This.
Why is it so hard to admit that Pitbulls are more dangerous than other dogs? If people admitted to it, it would be a safer world, you know. Only certain people should have Pitbulls. It isn't a "begginer" dog, or a "family" dog.

Complete and utter horse crap. Buy a pitbull puppy from a reputable breeder. Train it properly. Prepare to be surprised. They are generally ranked number 1 or 2 in ease of training and temperament, right behind the golden retriever or just in front. The media has people so utterly convinced that this breed is not a family dog but born from the depths of hell its mind boggling. If youve never owned one how do you even know what they are like? Heresy and hyperbole?

Yeah, pit bulls are pretty docile and loving dogs.
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