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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:01:55 PM #1:	3 Trump properties posted 144 openings for seasonal jobs. Only one went to a US worker. https://www.vox.com/2018/2/13/16466542/trump-h-2b-guest-workers America First doesnt seem to apply to the presidents own businesses. President Donald Trump's businesses dont seem too concerned about America First." A Vox analysis of hiring records for seasonal workers at three Trump properties in New York and Florida revealed that only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest. he H-2B visa program allows seasonal, non-agricultural employers like hotels and ski resorts to hire foreign workers when they cant find American ones. The Trump administration temporarily expanded this guest-worker program in 2017 while restricting other avenues of legal immigration, including the H-1B program for high-skilled workers. The Trump Organization is exactly the kind of company that relies on the H-2B visa program for low-skilled workers. Vox reviewed recruiting files submitted to the US Department of Labor for two Trump properties in Florida (including Mar-a-Lago) and one in New York from the start of 2016 through the end of 2017. In that period, hiring managers said they were able to find and hire only one qualified American worker a cook for 144 open positions for servers, cooks, housekeepers, and bartenders. A review of properties listed in a 2016 Business Insider report indicates Trump owns 17 major hotels and clubs in the US. A search of the Department of Labor database revealed three that applied for H-2B visas in 2016 and 2017. Under the H-2B program, employers must first try to hire American workers or legal immigrants already in the United States at reasonable wages for their openings. If they cant find qualified US workers, then employers can ask the Department of Labor for permission to hire foreign guest workers on H-2B visas. Documents show that hiring managers at the Trump establishments made the minimum efforts required by law to recruit US workers. While many businesses may truly struggle to find local workers and rely on foreign workers to fill slots, the hiring practices at Trump's properties certainly are out of step with his America First rhetoric and policies. If the president says hire American, then the presidents businesses should hire American, said Bruce Morrison, a Democrat and former Congress member from Connecticut who helped write the Immigration Act of 1990, which placed limits on the H-2B visa program. Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for immigration restrictions, said he was displeased when Trump temporarily expanded the H-2B program in 2017. He said Mar-a-Lago is just using the program how other employers use it: as a way to avoid paying higher wages or offering more benefits to attract American workers. Its a bullshit law written to ensure that employers dont have to hire Americans, said Krikorian, who normally applauds the presidents immigration agenda. Mar-a-Lago hired dozens of foreign workers in 2017 Unemployment in the Miami area has been low in 2016 and 2017 (4.5 percent as of December 2017), and its harder for employers in South Florida to find workers now than a few years ago. But Vox spoke to several labor economists in the state who were nonetheless puzzled that hotels or clubs would have such a hard time finding any service workers to hire. It doesnt make sense, said Tobias Pfutze, an economics professor at Florida International University in Miami. I haven't heard anything about there being a labor shortage. The service labor market here is very flexible. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896007445] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>3 Trump properties posted 144 openings for seasonal jobs. Only one went to a US worker. <cite>https://www.vox.com/2018/2/13/16466542/trump-h-2b-guest-workers</cite> America First doesnt seem to apply to the presidents own businesses. <quote>President Donald Trump's businesses dont seem too concerned about America First." A Vox analysis of hiring records for seasonal workers at three Trump properties in New York and Florida revealed that only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest. he H-2B visa program allows seasonal, non-agricultural employers like hotels and ski resorts to hire foreign workers when they cant find American ones. The Trump administration temporarily expanded this guest-worker program in 2017 while restricting other avenues of legal immigration, including the H-1B program for high-skilled workers. The Trump Organization is exactly the kind of company that relies on the H-2B visa program for low-skilled workers. Vox reviewed recruiting files submitted to the US Department of Labor for two Trump properties in Florida (including Mar-a-Lago) and one in New York from the start of 2016 through the end of 2017. In that period, hiring managers said they were able to find and hire only one qualified American worker a cook for 144 open positions for servers, cooks, housekeepers, and bartenders. A review of properties listed in a 2016 Business Insider report indicates Trump owns 17 major hotels and clubs in the US. A search of the Department of Labor database revealed three that applied for H-2B visas in 2016 and 2017. Under the H-2B program, employers must first try to hire American workers or legal immigrants already in the United States at reasonable wages for their openings. If they cant find qualified US workers, then employers can ask the Department of Labor for permission to hire foreign guest workers on H-2B visas. Documents show that hiring managers at the Trump establishments made the minimum efforts required by law to recruit US workers. While many businesses may truly struggle to find local workers and rely on foreign workers to fill slots, the hiring practices at Trump's properties certainly are out of step with his America First rhetoric and policies. If the president says hire American, then the presidents businesses should hire American, said Bruce Morrison, a Democrat and former Congress member from Connecticut who helped write the Immigration Act of 1990, which placed limits on the H-2B visa program. Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for immigration restrictions, said he was displeased when Trump temporarily expanded the H-2B program in 2017. He said Mar-a-Lago is just using the program how other employers use it: as a way to avoid paying higher wages or offering more benefits to attract American workers. Its a bullshit law written to ensure that employers dont have to hire Americans, said Krikorian, who normally applauds the presidents immigration agenda. Mar-a-Lago hired dozens of foreign workers in 2017 Unemployment in the Miami area has been low in 2016 and 2017 (4.5 percent as of December 2017), and its harder for employers in South Florida to find workers now than a few years ago. But Vox spoke to several labor economists in the state who were nonetheless puzzled that hotels or clubs would have such a hard time finding any service workers to hire. It doesnt make sense, said Tobias Pfutze, an economics professor at Florida International University in Miami. I haven't heard anything about there being a labor shortage. The service labor market here is very flexible.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 02/13/18 1:02:37 PM #2:	So, Trump favors diversity? --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:896007480] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>So, Trump favors diversity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:03:46 PM #3:	In August 2017 alone, Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach (Trumps winter White House) sought permission to hire 70 servers, housekeepers, and cooks for eight months starting in October, according to recruitment reports submitted to the Department of Labor. In the paperwork, the clubs hiring manager explained the reason the club needed to hire temporary workers: Our temporary need is defined as a peak-load need and stems from the fact that The Mar-a-Lago Club operates in accordance with a private charter and is open to the membership throughout the year but with a well defined peak season between the months of October and May of every year. The period during which the foreign nationals services are needed is not unpredictable, subject to change or considered to be a vacation period for our employees who are hired on a permanent basis. Based on the paperwork submitted, the hiring manager fulfilled the minimum effort required by law to try to find American workers first: place an ad in the local newspaper for two days, notify past employees of the openings via US mail, and post the job notice in a visible place at the club for current employees to see. Employers are required to pay the average local wage for the advertised position. Mar-a-Lago offered $10.33 per hour for housekeepers, $13.43 for cooks, and $11.88 for servers (no tips). After waiting the required month, the hiring manager at Mar-a-Lago reported that only seven US workers responded to the newspaper job ads, and that they were either unqualified, uninterested, or did not return calls. That was also the case with other Trump properties. In April 2017, the DOL allowed Trump National Golf Club in Briarcliff Manor, New York, to hire all eight of the H-2B servers that the club requested. The hiring manager said no US workers applied for the job. In August that year, the DOL allowed Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida, to hire all 16 of the requested H-2B servers and cooks. Again, the hiring manager reported that no US workers applied for the job. In all, of the 12 US workers who did apply for some of the 144 positions advertised across the three properties from 2016 to mid-2017, only one was hired. Its unclear if the Department of Labor verifies such claims. A spokesperson for the agency told Vox he would inquire about the details of the process, but did not follow up. He did not respond to another request for information. The Trump administration has expanded the H-2B program In the past five years, a few of Trumps golf clubs and resorts on the East Coast have relied heavily on hiring foreign workers to serve patrons during the summer months (in New York) and the winter months (in Florida). The H-2B database shows requests from Mar-a-Lago dating back to 2013. This practice has clearly not stopped since Trump became president. In fact, the Trump administration temporarily expanded the H-2B program. In July 2017, the Department of Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for guest workers from 66,000 to 81,000 for fiscal year 2017. (Three days later, Trump's properties asked for permission to hire 76 workers through the program.) The policy change was surprising. Trump has criticized other guest-worker programs for supposedly taking jobs away from Americans. He has resisted calls from the tech industry to expand the H-1B visa for high-skilled workers. He hasnt increased visas in the H-2A program for seasonal farmworkers, even though the agriculture industry has lobbied for it. He even delayed the launch of a startup visa program that Obama created to help foreign tech entrepreneurs start businesses in the United States (though a federal judge in December ruled that the administration did not have legal standing to do so). --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896007550] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><quote>In August 2017 alone, Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach (Trumps winter White House) sought permission to hire 70 servers, housekeepers, and cooks for eight months starting in October, according to recruitment reports submitted to the Department of Labor. In the paperwork, the clubs hiring manager explained the reason the club needed to hire temporary workers: Our temporary need is defined as a peak-load need and stems from the fact that The Mar-a-Lago Club operates in accordance with a private charter and is open to the membership throughout the year but with a well defined peak season between the months of October and May of every year. The period during which the foreign nationals services are needed is not unpredictable, subject to change or considered to be a vacation period for our employees who are hired on a permanent basis. Based on the paperwork submitted, the hiring manager fulfilled the minimum effort required by law to try to find American workers first: place an ad in the local newspaper for two days, notify past employees of the openings via US mail, and post the job notice in a visible place at the club for current employees to see. Employers are required to pay the average local wage for the advertised position. Mar-a-Lago offered $10.33 per hour for housekeepers, $13.43 for cooks, and $11.88 for servers (no tips). After waiting the required month, the hiring manager at Mar-a-Lago reported that only seven US workers responded to the newspaper job ads, and that they were either unqualified, uninterested, or did not return calls. That was also the case with other Trump properties. In April 2017, the DOL allowed Trump National Golf Club in Briarcliff Manor, New York, to hire all eight of the H-2B servers that the club requested. The hiring manager said no US workers applied for the job. In August that year, the DOL allowed Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida, to hire all 16 of the requested H-2B servers and cooks. Again, the hiring manager reported that no US workers applied for the job. In all, of the 12 US workers who did apply for some of the 144 positions advertised across the three properties from 2016 to mid-2017, only one was hired. Its unclear if the Department of Labor verifies such claims. A spokesperson for the agency told Vox he would inquire about the details of the process, but did not follow up. He did not respond to another request for information. The Trump administration has expanded the H-2B program In the past five years, a few of Trumps golf clubs and resorts on the East Coast have relied heavily on hiring foreign workers to serve patrons during the summer months (in New York) and the winter months (in Florida). The H-2B database shows requests from Mar-a-Lago dating back to 2013. This practice has clearly not stopped since Trump became president. In fact, the Trump administration temporarily expanded the H-2B program. In July 2017, the Department of Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for guest workers from 66,000 to 81,000 for fiscal year 2017. (Three days later, Trump's properties asked for permission to hire 76 workers through the program.) The policy change was surprising. Trump has criticized other guest-worker programs for supposedly taking jobs away from Americans. He has resisted calls from the tech industry to expand the H-1B visa for high-skilled workers. He hasnt increased visas in the H-2A program for seasonal farmworkers, even though the agriculture industry has lobbied for it. He even delayed the launch of a startup visa program that Obama created to help foreign tech entrepreneurs start businesses in the United States (though a federal judge in December ruled that the administration did not have legal standing to do so).</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fishy 02/13/18 1:03:53 PM #4:	wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite --- ~Dr. FishyStick\| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg <cite>Fishy posted [p:896007559] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:04:18 PM #5:	The Department of Homeland Security said at the time that the visa cap was lifted to help American companies suffering irreparable harm because they can't find enough American workers to fill temporary jobs at hotels, ski resorts, and landscaping companies. Controversy over the H-2B program Congress created the H-2 guest-worker program in 1952 and then split it up into two separate programs in 1986: the H-2A visa for temporary farmworkers, and the H-2B visa for low-skilled workers in seasonal industries. For years, few employers used the H-2B program, and applications rarely exceeded the 66,000 annual visa limit. By 2000, businesses had grown more comfortable with the process and competition for the visas grew more intense. Most of the workers brought to the United States on these temporary visas have few skills and come from poor countries. In 2014, most H-2B workers came from Mexico, with Jamaica and Guatemala sending many as well. Employers in Texas hired the most. The H-2B program like other guest-worker programs has long drawn the ire of organized labor. Business groups, like the US Chamber of Commerce, have repeatedly told Congress that there arent enough Americans willing to take temporary jobs at amusement parks, ski resorts, and hotels. But union leaders say thats just not true, and they accuse companies of trying to save money on labor costs by exploiting cheap foreign workers at the expense of Americans. The process of hiring an H-2B worker isnt easy. First, an employer has to ask the Department of Labor to calculate the most common wage for that particular job in a particular location. After getting a response a few weeks later, employers have to send a work order to the states workforce agency, detailing the position the business is looking to fill, the qualifications required, and the prevailing wage. The next required step is to advertise the job in a local newspaper and hire all qualified applicants. Once the Department of Labor gives an employer permission to bring in temporary workers, they have to apply for the workers H-2B visas through US Citizenship and Immigration Services. Potential workers then have to meet with staff from the US Department of State at the closest American consulate in their home countries. They must also pass a criminal background check. The process is so cumbersome that many US businesses hire a staffing company to do the work for them. Trump properties usually hire the Petrina Group, an international staffing agency with offices in New York. Despite the lengthy process, interest in hiring workers through this program has skyrocketed. The Department of Labor says its swamped with applications from businesses that want to hire guest workers for the summer. By January 1, the department had received requests to hire 81,008 H-2B workers for the summer season. That number of applications far exceeds the program cap of 33,000 H-2B visas available for the season, which starts April 1. The department will issue H-2B certifications on a first-come, first-served basis, though the overwhelming workload this year has delayed the entire process. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896007586] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><quote>The Department of Homeland Security said at the time that the visa cap was lifted to help American companies suffering irreparable harm because they can't find enough American workers to fill temporary jobs at hotels, ski resorts, and landscaping companies. Controversy over the H-2B program Congress created the H-2 guest-worker program in 1952 and then split it up into two separate programs in 1986: the H-2A visa for temporary farmworkers, and the H-2B visa for low-skilled workers in seasonal industries. For years, few employers used the H-2B program, and applications rarely exceeded the 66,000 annual visa limit. By 2000, businesses had grown more comfortable with the process and competition for the visas grew more intense. Most of the workers brought to the United States on these temporary visas have few skills and come from poor countries. In 2014, most H-2B workers came from Mexico, with Jamaica and Guatemala sending many as well. Employers in Texas hired the most. The H-2B program like other guest-worker programs has long drawn the ire of organized labor. Business groups, like the US Chamber of Commerce, have repeatedly told Congress that there arent enough Americans willing to take temporary jobs at amusement parks, ski resorts, and hotels. But union leaders say thats just not true, and they accuse companies of trying to save money on labor costs by exploiting cheap foreign workers at the expense of Americans. The process of hiring an H-2B worker isnt easy. First, an employer has to ask the Department of Labor to calculate the most common wage for that particular job in a particular location. After getting a response a few weeks later, employers have to send a work order to the states workforce agency, detailing the position the business is looking to fill, the qualifications required, and the prevailing wage. The next required step is to advertise the job in a local newspaper and hire all qualified applicants. Once the Department of Labor gives an employer permission to bring in temporary workers, they have to apply for the workers H-2B visas through US Citizenship and Immigration Services. Potential workers then have to meet with staff from the US Department of State at the closest American consulate in their home countries. They must also pass a criminal background check. The process is so cumbersome that many US businesses hire a staffing company to do the work for them. Trump properties usually hire the Petrina Group, an international staffing agency with offices in New York. Despite the lengthy process, interest in hiring workers through this program has skyrocketed. The Department of Labor says its swamped with applications from businesses that want to hire guest workers for the summer. By January 1, the department had received requests to hire 81,008 H-2B workers for the summer season. That number of applications far exceeds the program cap of 33,000 H-2B visas available for the season, which starts April 1. The department will issue H-2B certifications on a first-come, first-served basis, though the overwhelming workload this year has delayed the entire process.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 02/13/18 1:04:58 PM #6:	He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:896007617] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:05:24 PM #7:	frozenshock posted... So, Trump favors diversity? For his properties? Cheap labor? Yes....for America? Build the wall. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896007650] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>So, Trump favors diversity?</quote> For his properties? Cheap labor? Yes....for America? Build the wall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:05:56 PM #9:	REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs I'm willing to bet he put forth MAXIMUM effort to find those people, too. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896007674] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> I'm willing to bet he put forth MAXIMUM effort to find those people, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 02/13/18 1:06:33 PM #10:	Fishy posted... wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite --- http://i.imgur.com/wKOoZkP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mipFVFw.png http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:896007711] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fishy posted...</cite> <quote>wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 02/13/18 1:06:55 PM #11:	shockthemonkey posted... Always seemed weird how much Trump campaigned against H-2B while blatantly benefitting from it. r/TrumpCriticizesTrump --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:896007727] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Always seemed weird how much Trump campaigned against H-2B while blatantly benefitting from it.</quote> r/TrumpCriticizesTrump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManBeast462 02/13/18 1:08:59 PM #12:	More Americans need to apply --- http://m.imgur.com/EKKJrY6 <cite>ManBeast462 posted [p:896007874] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>More Americans need to apply</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 02/13/18 1:09:58 PM #13:	So basically Trump hired people who are here legally and are legally allowed to work in the country... Is the left ever going to stop with the "But he's against illegal immigration so he must hate anyone who isn't a white American!" nonsense? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896007948] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>So basically Trump hired people who are here legally and are legally allowed to work in the country... Is the left ever going to stop with the "But he's against illegal immigration so he must hate anyone who isn't a white American!" nonsense?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 02/13/18 1:11:03 PM #14:	Amazing the amount of mental gymnastics these liberals do to try and bash Trump --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:896008020] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>Amazing the amount of mental gymnastics these liberals do to try and bash Trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ulyanyx 02/13/18 1:11:48 PM #15:	>he supports people who immigrated legally what a fucking tyrant dictator obviously guys --- Sober from Alcohol since August 4th 2017 <cite>Ulyanyx posted [p:896008069] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>>he supports people who immigrated legally what a fucking tyrant dictator obviously guys</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:22:06 PM #16:	Ulyanyx posted... >he supports people who immigrated legally what a fucking tyrant dictator obviously guys The argument has always been that immigrants take American jobs; I've always said not to take that out on the immigrants (like most "Americans" tend to do) take it out on the companies going for the cheap labor over employing Americans equally suited for employment. He is getting these immigrants Visas specifically so he can employ them on the cheap at his properties rather than extending these jobs to the Americans he claims he wants to employ - he's a hypocrite and you know it. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896008693] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ulyanyx posted...</cite> <quote>>he supports people who immigrated legally what a fucking tyrant dictator obviously guys</quote> The argument has always been that immigrants take American jobs; I've always said not to take that out on the immigrants (like most "Americans" tend to do) take it out on the companies going for the cheap labor over employing Americans equally suited for employment. He is getting these immigrants Visas specifically so he can employ them on the cheap at his properties rather than extending these jobs to the Americans he claims he wants to employ - he's a hypocrite and you know it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 02/13/18 1:24:05 PM #17:	Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:896008810] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:26:23 PM #18:	REMercsChamp posted... Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out? Can anyone figure out why the pro-trump crowd wants non-whites out of the country so bad? Asking for a friend. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896008952] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out?</quote> Can anyone figure out why the pro-trump crowd wants non-whites out of the country so bad? Asking for a friend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 02/13/18 1:28:42 PM #19:	Me: ok --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:896009112] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>Me: ok</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 02/13/18 1:31:16 PM #20:	REMercsChamp posted... Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out? Because reality itself hurts their narrative. This story is the perfect example. For years now, the left has been trying to conflate illegal immigration with legal immigration and even brown people in general. Want tougher border security? The only explanation is that you hate immigrants entirely and you probably hate brown people as well. Oh wait, except that's complete bullshit. Trump and his supporters support legal immigration and have no issue whatsoever with people who immigrate legally. And this story is just one example of that. It's quite devastating to leftists so their only recourse is to throw hissy fits. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896009294] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out?</quote> Because reality itself hurts their narrative. This story is the perfect example. For years now, the left has been trying to conflate illegal immigration with legal immigration and even brown people in general. Want tougher border security? The only explanation is that you hate immigrants entirely and you probably hate brown people as well. Oh wait, except that's complete bullshit. Trump and his supporters support legal immigration and have no issue whatsoever with people who immigrate legally. And this story is just one example of that. It's quite devastating to leftists so their only recourse is to throw hissy fits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 02/13/18 1:31:20 PM #21:	_OujiDoza_ posted... REMercsChamp posted... Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out? Can anyone figure out why the pro-trump crowd wants non-whites out of the country so bad? Asking for a friend. they usually have a problem with people who come here illegally. I have not seen a big push to remove legal immigrants, from what I can tell <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:896009302] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out?</quote> Can anyone figure out why the pro-trump crowd wants non-whites out of the country so bad? Asking for a friend.</quote> they usually have a problem with people who come here illegally. I have not seen a big push to remove legal immigrants, from what I can tell</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UrCa1988 02/13/18 1:33:06 PM #22:	_OujiDoza_ posted... REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs I'm willing to bet he put forth MAXIMUM effort to find those people, too. narrator voice He didn't. https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/powerpost/wp/2017/11/05/trump-who-urged-people-to-hire-american-secures-70-foreign-workers-for-mar-a-lago/ Before being granted permission to hire foreigners, Trumps two Florida clubs he also owns a golf course in Jupiter had to show that no one else wanted the jobs. That included calling old employees and putting ads in the newspaper. Its unclear whether the Trump Organization had made an extra effort to try to fill the jobs. In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: 3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club, the ad said. No tips, Fahrenthold reported. The ad, which ran twice, gave no email address, mailing address or phone number and instructed applicants to Apply by fax. Not the ad for this year's crop of workers, but you can probably bet he did the same thing. --- "Sometimes, all the stupidity in the world is boiled down to one single product that you can buy at Home Depot." <cite>UrCa1988 posted [p:896009417] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> I'm willing to bet he put forth MAXIMUM effort to find those people, too.</quote> narrator voice He didn't. https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/powerpost/wp/2017/11/05/trump-who-urged-people-to-hire-american-secures-70-foreign-workers-for-mar-a-lago/ <quote>Before being granted permission to hire foreigners, Trumps two Florida clubs he also owns a golf course in Jupiter had to show that no one else wanted the jobs. That included calling old employees and putting ads in the newspaper. Its unclear whether the Trump Organization had made an extra effort to try to fill the jobs. In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: 3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club, the ad said. No tips, Fahrenthold reported. The ad, which ran twice, gave no email address, mailing address or phone number and instructed applicants to Apply by fax.</quote> Not the ad for this year's crop of workers, but you can probably bet he did the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 02/13/18 1:38:18 PM #23:	Fishy posted... wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite monocle pops off from shock --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:896009737] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fishy posted...</cite> <quote>wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite</quote> monocle pops off from shock</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:42:56 PM #24:	Fam_Fam posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... REMercsChamp posted... Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out? Can anyone figure out why the pro-trump crowd wants non-whites out of the country so bad? Asking for a friend. they usually have a problem with people who come here illegally. I have not seen a big push to remove legal immigrants, from what I can tell Lol, good one. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896010048] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Why's the anti-trump crowd so angry all the time? Anyone can figure this one out?</quote> Can anyone figure out why the pro-trump crowd wants non-whites out of the country so bad? Asking for a friend.</quote> they usually have a problem with people who come here illegally. I have not seen a big push to remove legal immigrants, from what I can tell</quote> Lol, good one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 02/13/18 1:44:53 PM #25:	Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:896010174] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 1:45:30 PM #26:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess. Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896010222] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess.</quote> Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 02/13/18 1:53:15 PM #27:	Weird how Trump supporters can't seem to figure out how their own political stances work. How are you guys going to simultaneously express a desire for more American jobs to go to Americans while supporting an increase in jobs going to H1b visa applicants? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 Beta 4 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:896010664] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>Weird how Trump supporters can't seem to figure out how their own political stances work. How are you guys going to simultaneously express a desire for more American jobs to go to Americans while supporting an increase in jobs going to H1b visa applicants?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 1:56:29 PM #28:	A_Good_Boy posted... Weird how Trump supporters can't seem to figure out how their own political stances work. How are you guys going to simultaneously express a desire for more American jobs to go to Americans while supporting an increase in jobs going to H1b visa applicants? As explained by Brian of Nazareth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbzSif78qQ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896010861] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>Weird how Trump supporters can't seem to figure out how their own political stances work. How are you guys going to simultaneously express a desire for more American jobs to go to Americans while supporting an increase in jobs going to H1b visa applicants?</quote> As explained by Brian of Nazareth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbzSif78qQ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 02/13/18 2:08:52 PM #29:	_OujiDoza_ posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess. Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing. Youre not supposed to respond, other people are. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:896011660] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess.</quote> Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing.</quote> Youre not supposed to respond, other people are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/13/18 2:10:08 PM #30:	rules for thee, but not for me. <cite>byrone posted [p:896011735] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>rules for thee, but not for me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 2:15:33 PM #31:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess. Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing. Youre not supposed to respond, other people are. Damnit, Gator. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896012074] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess.</quote> Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing.</quote> Youre not supposed to respond, other people are.</quote> Damnit, Gator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 02/13/18 2:54:37 PM #32:	_OujiDoza_ posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess. Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing. Youre not supposed to respond, other people are. Damnit, Gator. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:896014651] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess.</quote> Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing.</quote> Youre not supposed to respond, other people are.</quote> Damnit, Gator.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 02/13/18 3:00:20 PM #33:	REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them? --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:896014996] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 3:02:17 PM #34:	TheVipaGTS posted... REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them? --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896015138] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 3:02:43 PM #35:	TheVipaGTS posted... REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them? this, probably: UrCa1988 posted... In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: 3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club, the ad said. No tips, Fahrenthold reported. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896015171] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them?</quote> this, probably: <cite>UrCa1988 posted...</cite> <quote>In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: 3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club, the ad said. No tips, Fahrenthold reported.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 02/13/18 3:04:04 PM #36:	Questionmarktarius posted... TheVipaGTS posted... REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them? this, probably: UrCa1988 posted... In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: 3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club, the ad said. No tips, Fahrenthold reported. Question still stands. If youre going to be picky about the job dont cry about muh jobs! When the topic of immigrants working those jobs you were too picky for comes up. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:896015237] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> So then why are those same people crying about muh jobs! If they arent willing to work them?</quote> this, probably: <cite>UrCa1988 posted...</cite> <quote>In July, the club placed an ad on Page C8 of the Palm Beach Post: 3 mos recent & verifiable exp in fine dining/country club, the ad said. No tips, Fahrenthold reported.</quote></quote> Question still stands. If youre going to be picky about the job dont cry about muh jobs! When the topic of immigrants working those jobs you were too picky for comes up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/13/18 3:05:45 PM #37:	Fishy posted... wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896015336] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fishy posted...</cite> <quote>wow who would've guessed trump's a hypocrite</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 3:06:45 PM #39:	TheVipaGTS posted... Question still stands. If youre going to be picky about the job dont cry about muh jobs! When the topic of immigrants working those jobs you were too picky for comes up. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/350684/who-needs-immigrant-labor-thomas-sowell Jobs that Americans will not do are in fact jobs at which not enough Americans will work at the current wage rate that some employers are offering. This is not an uncommon situation. That is why labor shortages lead to higher wage rates. A shortage is no more quantifiable than a need when you ignore prices, which are crucial in a market economy. To discuss need and shortage while ignoring prices in this case, wages is especially remarkable in a usually market-savvy publication like the Wall Street Journal. Often shortages have been predicted in various occupations and yet have never materialized. Why? Because the pay in those occupations rose, causing more people to go into those occupations and employers to reduce the number of people they need at the higher pay rates. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896015398] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Question still stands. If youre going to be picky about the job dont cry about muh jobs! When the topic of immigrants working those jobs you were too picky for comes up.</quote> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/350684/who-needs-immigrant-labor-thomas-sowell <quote>Jobs that Americans will not do are in fact jobs at which not enough Americans will work at the current wage rate that some employers are offering. This is not an uncommon situation. That is why labor shortages lead to higher wage rates. A shortage is no more quantifiable than a need when you ignore prices, which are crucial in a market economy. To discuss need and shortage while ignoring prices in this case, wages is especially remarkable in a usually market-savvy publication like the Wall Street Journal. Often shortages have been predicted in various occupations and yet have never materialized. Why? Because the pay in those occupations rose, causing more people to go into those occupations and employers to reduce the number of people they need at the higher pay rates.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/13/18 3:08:27 PM #40:	_OujiDoza_ posted... REMercsChamp posted... He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs I'm willing to bet he put forth MAXIMUM effort to find those people, too. only the bare minimum required by law: Documents show that hiring managers at the Trump establishments made the minimum efforts required by law to recruit US workers. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896015498] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>He already addressed this during his campaign - you can't find the people in the US to take those jobs</quote> I'm willing to bet he put forth MAXIMUM effort to find those people, too.</quote> only the bare minimum required by law: Documents show that hiring managers at the Trump establishments made the minimum efforts required by law to recruit US workers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 02/13/18 3:09:28 PM #41:	You keep posting things like that but it doesnt change what Im saying at all. The narrative is fuck the immigrants we need Americans working those jobs!... but Americans arent willing to work those jobs because they dont pay enough. Which is fine. I just dont think you have room to whine about outsiders who are willing to work those jobs if thats the case. Are you saying we should do something to demand higher pay in those areas? Because interestingly enough the muh jobs! Crowd is also usually against doing that... --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:896015579] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>You keep posting things like that but it doesnt change what Im saying at all. The narrative is fuck the immigrants we need Americans working those jobs!... but Americans arent willing to work those jobs because they dont pay enough. Which is fine. I just dont think you have room to whine about outsiders who are willing to work those jobs if thats the case. Are you saying we should do something to demand higher pay in those areas? Because interestingly enough the muh jobs! Crowd is also usually against doing that...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 02/13/18 3:09:30 PM #42:	REMercsChamp posted... Amazing the amount of mental gymnastics these conservatives do to try and justify Trump --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:896015582] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Amazing the amount of mental gymnastics these conservatives do to try and justify Trump</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 3:10:07 PM #43:	TheVipaGTS posted... Are you saying we should do something to demand higher pay in those areas? Close the borders. Or, at the very least, make the immigration system merit-based as fuck. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896015627] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying we should do something to demand higher pay in those areas?</quote> Close the borders. Or, at the very least, make the immigration system merit-based as fuck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 02/13/18 3:12:11 PM #44:	Questionmarktarius posted... TheVipaGTS posted... Are you saying we should do something to demand higher pay in those areas? Close the borders. How does that help? You claimed Trump tried to hire Americans here but they didnt pay enough so hes going a different route. If your idea of close the borders and only hire American worked wouldnt trump have just raised the pay to accommodate? Wed still have this issue... --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:896015758] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying we should do something to demand higher pay in those areas?</quote> Close the borders.</quote> How does that help? You claimed Trump tried to hire Americans here but they didnt pay enough so hes going a different route. If your idea of close the borders and only hire American worked wouldnt trump have just raised the pay to accommodate? Wed still have this issue...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 3:16:59 PM #45:	TheVipaGTS posted... How does that help? You claimed Trump tried to hire Americans here but they didnt pay enough so hes going a different route. If your idea of close the borders and only hire American worked wouldnt trump have just raised the pay to accommodate? Wed still have this issue... Let me combine this with another ("ftfy") quote: spudger posted... REMercsChamp posted... Amazing the amount of mental gymnastics these conservatives do to try and justify Trump If Trump's hotels don't half-ass hiring and then import a bunch of low-skilled immigrants, then the Ramada down the street will, and undercut Trump's business. Or I'll just let Thomas Sowell explain it, from that same article: It is no doubt more convenient and profitable to the farmers to import workers for lower pay than to pay American workers more. But bringing in more immigrants is not without costs to other Americans, including both financial costs, in a welfare state, and social costs, of which increased crime rates are just one. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896016084] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>How does that help? You claimed Trump tried to hire Americans here but they didnt pay enough so hes going a different route. If your idea of close the borders and only hire American worked wouldnt trump have just raised the pay to accommodate? Wed still have this issue...</quote> Let me combine this with another ("ftfy") quote: <cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Amazing the amount of mental gymnastics these conservatives do to try and justify Trump</quote></quote> If Trump's hotels don't half-ass hiring and then import a bunch of low-skilled immigrants, then the Ramada down the street will, and undercut Trump's business. Or I'll just let Thomas Sowell explain it, from that same article: <quote>It is no doubt more convenient and profitable to the farmers to import workers for lower pay than to pay American workers more. But bringing in more immigrants is not without costs to other Americans, including both financial costs, in a welfare state, and social costs, of which increased crime rates are just one.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 02/13/18 3:18:48 PM #46:	So what youre saying is we need stronger laws to prevent that from happening or higher pay (that Americans want) for competitive balance. Because close the borders isnt going to stop businesses from doing this. Youd think the man in charge of that wouldnt be playing the same game. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:896016185] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>So what youre saying is we need stronger laws to prevent that from happening or higher pay (that Americans want) for competitive balance. Because close the borders isnt going to stop businesses from doing this. Youd think the man in charge of that wouldnt be playing the same game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 3:19:17 PM #47:	Borders being closed won't matter if companies then ferry them in themselves. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896016219] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote>Borders being closed won't matter if companies then ferry them in themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 3:21:11 PM #48:	_OujiDoza_ posted... Borders being closed won't matter if companies then ferry them in themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896016357] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote>Borders being closed won't matter if companies then ferry them in themselves.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 02/13/18 3:26:50 PM #49:	Questionmarktarius posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... Borders being closed won't matter if companies then ferry them in themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid Trump allegedly colluded with Russia and they can't seem to bring him down - I doubt this will be the straw that would change that. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:896016706] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote>Borders being closed won't matter if companies then ferry them in themselves.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid</quote> Trump allegedly colluded with Russia and they can't seem to bring him down - I doubt this will be the straw that would change that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 02/14/18 12:27:39 AM #50:	Heineken14 posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess. Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing. Youre not supposed to respond, other people are. Damnit, Gator. Holy shit I am so glad I came back to this topic. Youre getting a tag. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:896047595] in 3 Trump pr... [t:76314998]...</cite> <quote><cite>Heineken14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Helping people with their visas and helping these people better their lives and you guys complain. Hilarious. Just no winning with you people I guess.</quote> Gator, I thought you of all people were better than this - you know exactly what this dude is doing.</quote> Youre not supposed to respond, other people are.</quote> Damnit, Gator.</quote> </quote> Holy shit I am so glad I came back to this topic. Youre getting a tag.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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