Current Events > What if the dems got 2/3 in the house and senate and repealed the 2nd amendment?

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Fam_Fam
02/15/18 10:18:14 AM
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80/80

what would actually happen? realistically?
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Burgess
02/15/18 10:19:47 AM
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They wouldn't do that.
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Fam_Fam
02/15/18 10:22:31 AM
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Burgess posted...
They wouldn't do that.


that's not the point of the topic.
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CableZL
02/15/18 10:23:10 AM
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They wouldn't be able to do that with a supermajority in Congress. It takes more than that to add/remove a constitutional amendment.
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Fam_Fam
02/15/18 10:26:10 AM
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CableZL posted...
They wouldn't be able to do that with a supermajority in Congress. It takes more than that to add/remove a constitutional amendment.


ok suppose they had the supermajority, and they had enough pull in the states to get it done. what would happen after?
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Antifar
02/15/18 10:27:59 AM
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Repealing a right itself wouldn't do anything immediately; there would then have to be laws restricting/banning guns before real effects happened.
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Fam_Fam
02/15/18 10:29:13 AM
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Antifar posted...
Repealing a right itself wouldn't do anything immediately; there would then have to be laws restricting/banning guns before real effects happened.


yes, so what would happen if they repealed the right?
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DevsBro
02/15/18 10:30:34 AM
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Well I suppose one effect would be the internet would stop talking about it.
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Tropicalwood
02/15/18 10:30:41 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
Antifar posted...
Repealing a right itself wouldn't do anything immediately; there would then have to be laws restricting/banning guns before real effects happened.


yes, so what would happen if they repealed the right?

Good old fashion civil war when the democrats lose.... again
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addled
02/15/18 10:36:45 AM
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I don't think Congress can repeal an amendment. It would take 2/3 of both Houses propose the change then 3/4 of the states would have to approve it.

I think that's how it works.

Good luck with that repeal.
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Tyranthraxus
02/15/18 10:36:48 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
CableZL posted...
They wouldn't be able to do that with a supermajority in Congress. It takes more than that to add/remove a constitutional amendment.


ok suppose they had the supermajority, and they had enough pull in the states to get it done. what would happen after?


immediately, nothing. They'd just be able to pass stricter laws regarding gun ownership
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Complete_Idi0t
02/15/18 10:37:51 AM
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Something about cold, dead hands

Either that or people would drop their guns off at three nearest police station immediately
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hollow_shrine
02/15/18 10:41:55 AM
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That's what checks and balances are for, and unless the entire supreme court just up and dies and Trump somehow appoints a new judicial bench of anti-gun justices, that's not happening.

That will never happen. Both houses of congress could be 100% democratic and it would still never happen.

Why can't y'all come up with political apocalypse fantasies that at least make sense?
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Iodine
02/15/18 10:43:22 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
That's what checks and balances are for, and unless the entire supreme court just up and dies and Trump somehow appoints a new judicial bench of anti-gun justices, that's not happening.

That will never happen. Both houses of congress could be 100% democratic and it would still never happen.

Why can't y'all come up with political apocalypse fantasies that at least make sense?

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Balrog0
02/15/18 10:44:34 AM
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they would honestly probably enact a lot of really stupid measures that would satisfy people who are sick of the NRA, but would not be effective at curbing gun violence TBQH imho
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Balrog0
02/15/18 10:46:23 AM
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Iodine posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
That's what checks and balances are for, and unless the entire supreme court just up and dies and Trump somehow appoints a new judicial bench of anti-gun justices, that's not happening.

That will never happen. Both houses of congress could be 100% democratic and it would still never happen.

Why can't y'all come up with political apocalypse fantasies that at least make sense?


What does the SCOTUS have to do with it? The only thing this scenario is missing is that after proposing the amendment change, it would require 2/3 of state legislatures to agree to it. Which is also unrealistic, but it has nothing to do with the other branches of government
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Giant_Aspirin
02/15/18 10:46:54 AM
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i honestly would fear that it would start a war given how intensely the pro-gun folk feel about their firearms. they would stand by the "pry them from my cold, dead hands" slogan and would legit try to fight the government, im pretty sure. it would not be pretty
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Questionmarktarius
02/15/18 10:48:09 AM
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34 states would have to ratify.
https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html
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JE19426
02/15/18 10:48:18 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
That's what checks and balances are for, and unless the entire supreme court just up and dies and Trump somehow appoints a new judicial bench of anti-gun justices, that's not happening.

That will never happen. Both houses of congress could be 100% democratic and it would still never happen.

Why can't y'all come up with political apocalypse fantasies that at least make sense?


The Supreme Court only gets a say in constitutional amendments if the rules for them aren't followed. If they are they being followed the Supreme Court can't stop them.
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wackyteen
02/15/18 10:49:05 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
What does the SCOTUS have to do with it? The only thing this scenario is missing is that after proposing the amendment change, it would require 2/3 of state legislatures to agree to it. Which is also unrealistic, but it has nothing to do with the other branches of government

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

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Balrog0
02/15/18 10:50:57 AM
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hmm, I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or if you are so ignorant about the roles of the different branches of government that you think I'm the one who is ignorant about those things
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wackyteen
02/15/18 10:51:04 AM
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But on the real though I don't think anybody in the history of the United States would gamble their political supermajority on changing one of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights
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Barenziah Boy Toy
02/15/18 10:53:09 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
80/80

what would actually happen? realistically?

They would then need 38/50 state legislatures to sign off on it. That definitely ain't happening.
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Complete_Idi0t
02/15/18 10:56:09 AM
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If the Supreme Court declares something unconstitutional, it is. If they decided to ignore what the Constitution actually says and claim that a (hopefully fictional) law making it a crime to say mean things about the president is constitutional, than it is.

Isn't that how it works?
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DanHarenChamp
02/15/18 10:57:51 AM
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Amendments have to be approved by 75% of the states individually I thought
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KazumaKiryu
02/15/18 11:00:45 AM
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Then all the guns would magically disappear and there would be no more shootings. It would be glorious!
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thelovefist
02/15/18 11:05:09 AM
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Obviously the King of England would come to the USA to try to bully people and tell them what to do.
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Newhopes
02/15/18 11:10:58 AM
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Burgess posted...
They wouldn't do that.


Yes they would.
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voldothegr8
02/15/18 11:11:48 AM
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You can't repeal the Bill of Rights, only add amendments to it. And it's hard to add amendments.
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Balrog0
02/15/18 11:12:55 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
You can't repeal the Bill of Rights, only add amendments to it. And it's hard to add amendments.


you can add an amendment that repeals a previous part of the constitution, including previous amendments which includes the bill of rights
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DevsBro
02/15/18 11:14:22 AM
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
If the Supreme Court declares something unconstitutional, it is. If they decided to ignore what the Constitution actually says and claim that a (hopefully fictional) law making it a crime to say mean things about the president is constitutional, than it is.

Isn't that how it works?

Pretty much, yeah.
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Questionmarktarius
02/15/18 11:16:52 AM
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DevsBro posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
If the Supreme Court declares something unconstitutional, it is. If they decided to ignore what the Constitution actually says and claim that a (hopefully fictional) law making it a crime to say mean things about the president is constitutional, than it is.

Isn't that how it works?

Pretty much, yeah.

If you want to see some shit go sideways, wait until the day SCOTUS decides the 2nd amendment doesn't actually mean what it has meant for 200-some years.
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JE19426
02/15/18 12:31:54 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
You can't repeal the Bill of Rights, only add amendments to it.


You most certainly repeal the Bill of Rights. You can also repeal only parts of it.
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creativerealms
02/15/18 12:34:50 PM
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The Democrats never do it when they have the chance. Why? Simple they know better. Banning guns will cause more trouble then it's worth and will probably lead to a civil war. So even if they want to they know they can't.
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Tyranthraxus
02/15/18 2:34:28 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
You can't repeal the Bill of Rights, only add amendments to it. And it's hard to add amendments.

the bill of rights is literally just the first 10 amendments to the constitution because when the constitution was originally drafted they could not get enough states to ratify it. The first 10 amendments were added to appease various state heads.
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MorbidFaithless
02/15/18 2:38:35 PM
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Why are gun owners so bloodthirsty? Would they really rather kill their friends, family, and neighbors instead of having a society with no guns? Weird.
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addled
02/15/18 7:15:13 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
hmm, I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or if you are so ignorant about the roles of the different branches of government that you think I'm the one who is ignorant about those things
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I'm not sure what you mean here and I am not trolling you. What exactly are you saying?
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dirtycommunist
02/15/18 7:22:44 PM
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I would be celebrating in the streets (assuming it was accompanied by nationwide sweeps to take away all the guns).
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More realistically, I'm not opposed to the idea of gun ownership, but I think guns and ammunition should be among the most strictly regulated items one could buy (and at no small cost), and there should be way fewer of them.
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DarthAragorn
02/15/18 7:28:34 PM
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creativerealms posted...
The Democrats never do it when they have the chance. Why? Simple they know better. Banning guns will cause more trouble then it's worth and will probably lead to a civil war. So even if they want to they know they can't.

They've never had a chance in hell at pulling this off
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Dark_Spiret
02/15/18 7:30:23 PM
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youd get an insurgency.
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nativengine
02/15/18 7:38:45 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
Antifar posted...
Repealing a right itself wouldn't do anything immediately; there would then have to be laws restricting/banning guns before real effects happened.


yes, so what would happen if they repealed the right?


Hold on, I must consult my fortune teller.
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r4X0r
02/15/18 7:40:28 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
Why are gun owners so bloodthirsty? Would they really rather kill their friends, family, and neighbors instead of having a society with no guns? Weird.


America will never, ever be a society with no guns. You can make a gun out of ten dollars worth of materials from Home Depot and in the world of 3D printing, there's always going to be guns. All gun bans do is ensure that the people who weren't going to break the law in the first place are unarmed. Lawbreakers do not care if their illegal firearms suddenly become more illegal.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/15/18 7:44:51 PM
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Laugh as the USA finally goes down in flames.
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Fam_Fam
02/15/18 9:48:54 PM
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nativengine posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
Antifar posted...
Repealing a right itself wouldn't do anything immediately; there would then have to be laws restricting/banning guns before real effects happened.


yes, so what would happen if they repealed the right?


Hold on, I must consult my fortune teller.


i dont get the point of this? I make a topic posting a hypothetical, and then you come in to shitpost. what's the point? I obviously know that you don't know the answer
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Tyranthraxus
02/15/18 10:04:53 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
i dont get the point of this? I make a topic posting a hypothetical, and then you come in to shitpost. what's the point? I obviously know that you don't know the answer

the problem is you have a completely open ended hypothetical.

You might as well ask "What if you woke up tomorrow and literally everything was different?"

like, what kind of fucking answer are you fishing for?

Do you have a specific restriction in mind? Why don't you ask about that instead.
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thronedfire2
02/15/18 10:05:55 PM
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states would all just pass their own gun ownership laws and it would probably be even worse
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scorpion41
02/15/18 10:08:59 PM
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Not much would change other than super liberal states like New York, California, and Illinois finally getting their 100% ban while red states continue business as usual.
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masticatingman
02/15/18 10:09:14 PM
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Hypotheticals are one thing and entirely understandable to pose, but only if they at least have somewhat of a slim chance of legitimately happening. In 2018 in the current political structure, there is no chance this could happen.

Also post 47 anyway. Look at Mississippi with how long they kept up with alcohol prohibition.
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pokemonzero
02/15/18 10:10:50 PM
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
Something about cold, dead hands

Either that or people would drop their guns off at three nearest police station immediately

definitely the first line
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