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byrone
02/16/18 4:43:19 PM
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Pointing out that he was wearing a MAGA hat doesn't make it an R vs D issue. It's just pointing out that we was the type to buy and then wear one of those hats. Not all republicans wear those stupid hats.

#notallrepublicans
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AvantgardeAClue
02/16/18 4:47:18 PM
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byrone posted...
Pointing out that he was wearing a MAGA hat doesn't make it an R vs D issue. It's just pointing out that we was the type to buy and then wear one of those hats. Not all republicans wear those stupid hats.

#notallrepublicans


C'mon, now you're making this harder
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
02/16/18 4:51:48 PM
#53:


Shuto-uke posted...
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And? If he was a Bernie bro would it be less tragic? Adding politics to this is why no one has been able to make meaningful progress.

Shootings aren't a political issue, they're a social issue.


Because Bernies platform was about guns and to hate on minorities? No? Then shut up.


Bernie was pro 2A and Vermont has some of the loosest gun laws in the country. Do you not even lookinto the candidates you vote for?
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Shuto-uke
02/16/18 4:54:27 PM
#54:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
I Like Toast posted...
And? If he was a Bernie bro would it be less tragic? Adding politics to this is why no one has been able to make meaningful progress.

Shootings aren't a political issue, they're a social issue.


Because Bernies platform was about guns and to hate on minorities? No? Then shut up.


Bernie was pro 2A and Vermont has some of the loosest gun laws in the country. Do you not even lookinto the candidates you vote for?

Pro-2A =\= gun free for all and rampant racism
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Shuto-uke
02/16/18 5:01:39 PM
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Axiom
02/16/18 5:05:59 PM
#56:


He's not even the first one. A damn Canadian was a Trumpanzee and shot up a mosque in a terrorist attack
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Shuto-uke
02/16/18 7:08:57 PM
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Axiom posted...
He's not even the first one. A damn Canadian was a Trumpanzee and shot up a mosque in a terrorist attack


Canadian trumpanzees? Lmao so lame
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Cosmic_Diabetic
02/16/18 7:14:04 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
All you are doing when you say things like this is shutting down any meaningful way of preventing mass shootings in the future

What progress is going to be made by going, "see its just the conservatives fault!". All it does is entrench the other side and force them to dig in.

Turning it into a us vs them thing is the dumbest thing you can do. Unite behind the tragedy to find a solution rather than point fingers and say nuh-uh it's your fault!


So talking about gun control is the same as just saying it's the conservatives fault? I suppose if you're saying that Conservatives are stopping the conversation about gun control then yes it is conservatives fault....
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I Like Toast
02/16/18 8:37:33 PM
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...


So talking about gun control is the same as just saying it's the conservatives fault? I suppose if you're saying that Conservatives are stopping the conversation about gun control then yes it is conservatives fault

Notice how you avoided any meaning conversation because you still want to have this us v them mentality.

Electing trump is the biggest embarrassment this country has done since the long list of things we try to down play that we did during WW2. I have no connection to Trump, idgaf if you support him or hate him or are indifferent because it's utterly irrelevant to the problem. And if you can't grasp that, you are the exact reason why despite trumps best efforts to lose, he won anyway.

You think you're the better party? You think you're morally superior? Then actually act like it for once.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 8:43:45 PM
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His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.
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byrone
02/16/18 8:45:55 PM
#61:


tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 8:53:34 PM
#62:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.


Sure. A MAGA hat would go over about as well as a Clinton shirt in a bad Chicago neighborhood.
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byrone
02/16/18 8:55:40 PM
#63:


tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.


Sure. A MAGA hat would go over about as well as a Clinton shirt in a bad Chicago neighborhood.

Disliking Trump doesn't make someone a Democrat.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 9:01:46 PM
#64:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.


Sure. A MAGA hat would go over about as well as a Clinton shirt in a bad Chicago neighborhood.

Disliking Trump doesn't make someone a Democrat.


Its a political view.
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byrone
02/16/18 9:08:47 PM
#65:


tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.


Sure. A MAGA hat would go over about as well as a Clinton shirt in a bad Chicago neighborhood.

Disliking Trump doesn't make someone a Democrat.


Its a political view.

I'll repeat myself because you're having trouble. Disliking Trump does not make someone a Democrat.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 9:13:15 PM
#66:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.


Sure. A MAGA hat would go over about as well as a Clinton shirt in a bad Chicago neighborhood.

Disliking Trump doesn't make someone a Democrat.


Its a political view.

I'll repeat myself because you're having trouble. Disliking Trump does not make someone a Democrat.


They are in heavily democrat areas that rely on government funding. They probably are not registered democrats, but lets not pretend that many of them dont lean to the left. You know that they do.
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byrone
02/16/18 9:16:38 PM
#67:


tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
His rampage does not appear to be politically motivated. So his political views are about as important as the political views of the Democrats that kill each other in Chicago and Baltimore.

So still important enough to mention?

Also lol @ thinking gang members are democrats or Republicans.


Sure. A MAGA hat would go over about as well as a Clinton shirt in a bad Chicago neighborhood.

Disliking Trump doesn't make someone a Democrat.


Its a political view.

I'll repeat myself because you're having trouble. Disliking Trump does not make someone a Democrat.


They are in heavily democrat areas that rely on government funding. They probably are not registered democrats, but lets not pretend that many of them dont lean to the left. You know that they do.

Many gang members in Chicago and Baltimore lean left? Source?

Did you know that red states rely on the federal government the most?
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 9:27:51 PM
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byrone posted...

Many gang members in Chicago and Baltimore lean left? Source?

Did you know that red states rely on the federal government the most?


Yeah if you are including things like farm subsidies. And there is little chance of getting those farmers to vote against the subsidies, just like old conservatives in Florida wont vote for anybody who will cut social security. People tend to favor what they think will help them.

And people who are surrounded by single mother households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.
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byrone
02/16/18 9:33:46 PM
#69:


tennisdude818 posted...
households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.

I'll repeat again. You are having some trouble.

Did you know red states rely on the federal government the most? So those red states are actually somehow blue states because their worldviews have been shaped accordingly?
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 9:40:08 PM
#70:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.

I'll repeat again. You are having some trouble.

Did you know red states rely on the federal government the most? So those red states are actually somehow blue states because their worldviews have been shaped accordingly


Not every subsidy is a partisan issue. I disagree with them all but Im in the minority. Farm subsidies, Indian reservations, and old age entitlements arent simple blue vs. red issues.
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byrone
02/16/18 9:44:30 PM
#71:


tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.

I'll repeat again. You are having some trouble.

Did you know red states rely on the federal government the most? So those red states are actually somehow blue states because their worldviews have been shaped accordingly


Not every subsidy is a partisan issue. I disagree with them all but Im in the minority. Farm subsidies, Indian reservations, and old age entitlements arent simple blue vs. red issues.

Only red states get farm subsidies, have Indian reservations, and have old people?
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CharlesBronson
02/16/18 9:47:37 PM
#72:


how many of the thugs in chicago that commit gang violence were obama voters?
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byrone
02/16/18 9:48:50 PM
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CharlesBronson posted...
how many of the thugs in chicago that commit gang violence were obama voters?

Probably not many. Can you picture gang members registering to vote and then waiting on line to vote?
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 9:59:56 PM
#74:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.

I'll repeat again. You are having some trouble.

Did you know red states rely on the federal government the most? So those red states are actually somehow blue states because their worldviews have been shaped accordingly


Not every subsidy is a partisan issue. I disagree with them all but Im in the minority. Farm subsidies, Indian reservations, and old age entitlements arent simple blue vs. red issues.

Only red states get farm subsidies, have Indian reservations, and have old people?


Those are just some examples of types of federal spending that your stat relies on, along with other non partisan things like military bases and federal research labs.
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byrone
02/16/18 10:05:45 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Those are just some examples of types of federal spending that your stat relies on, along with other non partisan things like military bases and federal research labs.

Right and blue states that have those things rely on that spending as well, no?

Also, you said:

tennisdude818 posted...
households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.

People who live in poverty surely rely on the most subsidies, right? They need them to get by.

Let's take a look at the poverty-level ranking by state:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-poverty-rate-by-state.html

There are a lot of red states atop that list. A lot of people relying on subsidies to get by.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 10:18:46 PM
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byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Those are just some examples of types of federal spending that your stat relies on, along with other non partisan things like military bases and federal research labs.

Right and blue states that have those things rely on that spending as well, no?

Also, you said:

tennisdude818 posted...
households who rely on subsidies to get by tend to have their worlview shaped accordingly.

People who live in poverty surely rely on the most subsidies, right? They need them to get by.

Let's take a look at the poverty-level ranking by state:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-poverty-rate-by-state.html

There are a lot of red states atop that list. A lot of people relying on subsidies to get by.


Yeah but that doesnt mean those items are evenly distributed.

There are red and blue voting blocks within those states. But I dont think youre really helping your core point here. I dont know how many poor areas with lots of food stamps vote republican, but they are probably A: brought up to see the world that way by friends and family and B:not going to support politicians who will cut their benefits. Republicans dont cut spending.

Poor criminals in bad Chicago areas are A: surrounded by people on the left and B: targeted by politicians who promise more goodies. Yeah some republicans vote for free shit as well, for reasons I already stated.
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byrone
02/16/18 10:24:39 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
There are red and blue voting blocks within those states.

Are there not red and blue voting blocks in Illinois?

tennisdude818 posted...
B:not going to support politicians who will cut their benefits.

Source?
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ehhwhatever
02/16/18 10:24:48 PM
#78:


The sadist is just covering his bases. There is a behavior pattern that repeats, even CE is repeating the same predictable pattern.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 10:31:29 PM
#79:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
There are red and blue voting blocks within those states.

Are there not red and blue voting blocks in Illinois?

tennisdude818 posted...
B:not going to support politicians who will cut their benefits.

Source?


Im not talking about all of Illinois.

The welfare state grown for decades regardless of who is in power. Is that not evidence enough?
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byrone
02/16/18 10:33:54 PM
#80:


tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
There are red and blue voting blocks within those states.

Are there not red and blue voting blocks in Illinois?

tennisdude818 posted...
B:not going to support politicians who will cut their benefits.

Source?


Im not talking about all of Illinois.

The welfare state grown for decades regardless of who is in power. Is that not evidence enough?

It's funny how you talk about red states wanting food stamps as "they just grew up like that" compared to people in Chicago who are "surrounded by people on the left" and vote for politicians who "promise more goodies."

At the end of the day: red states take more than they give. Sad.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
02/16/18 10:38:23 PM
#81:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I Like Toast posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
All you are doing when you say things like this is shutting down any meaningful way of preventing mass shootings in the future

What progress is going to be made by going, "see its just the conservatives fault!". All it does is entrench the other side and force them to dig in.

Turning it into a us vs them thing is the dumbest thing you can do. Unite behind the tragedy to find a solution rather than point fingers and say nuh-uh it's your fault!


So talking about gun control is the same as just saying it's the conservatives fault? I suppose if you're saying that Conservatives are stopping the conversation about gun control then yes it is conservatives fault....

I Like Toast posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...


So talking about gun control is the same as just saying it's the conservatives fault? I suppose if you're saying that Conservatives are stopping the conversation about gun control then yes it is conservatives fault

Notice how you avoided any meaning conversation because you still want to have this us v them mentality.

Electing trump is the biggest embarrassment this country has done since the long list of things we try to down play that we did during WW2. I have no connection to Trump, idgaf if you support him or hate him or are indifferent because it's utterly irrelevant to the problem. And if you can't grasp that, you are the exact reason why despite trumps best efforts to lose, he won anyway.

You think you're the better party? You think you're morally superior? Then actually act like it for once.


I didn't avoid anything. You're just resorting to ad hominem. Mass shootings are a problem in this country. The ONLY meaningful way anyone is trying to do to stop that is to talk about gun control and possible legislation. You're trying to stop that when you say don't politicize these mass shootings. You're shutting down the only conversation that is trying to solve this crisis of children being butchered. You're right this isn't political party vs political party.

What this is is people who are trying to stop the mass shootings vs. YOU. If you don't want to talk about gun control fine. No one asked for you to participate you can go sit at the kids table and let the adults actually try and stop more children from being massacred.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 11:03:18 PM
#82:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
There are red and blue voting blocks within those states.

Are there not red and blue voting blocks in Illinois?

tennisdude818 posted...
B:not going to support politicians who will cut their benefits.

Source?


Im not talking about all of Illinois.

The welfare state grown for decades regardless of who is in power. Is that not evidence enough?

It's funny how you talk about red states wanting food stamps as "they just grew up like that" compared to people in Chicago who are "surrounded by people on the left" and vote for politicians who "promise more goodies."

At the end of the day: red states take more than they give. Sad.


What I said is that in both cases, people are influenced by people around them and support what they believe is in their interest. Not very controversial.

I could keep going down this rabbit hole, but the original point was that Chicago and Baltimore criminals are probably left leaning because of who they grew up around.
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byrone
02/16/18 11:04:34 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...

I could keep going down this rabbit hole, but the original point was that Chicago and Baltimore criminals are probably left leaning because of who they grew up around.

My point is that Chicago and Baltimore criminals probably don't give a shit about politics.

tennisdude818 posted...

What I said is that in both cases, people are influenced by people around them and support what they believe is in their interest. Not very controversial.

The wording is what I found interesting. Very biased.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 11:12:51 PM
#84:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...

I could keep going down this rabbit hole, but the original point was that Chicago and Baltimore criminals are probably left leaning because of who they grew up around.

My point is that Chicago and Baltimore criminals probably don't give a shit about politics.


Mainstream politics are probably not high up on their priority list. They are still from far left areas and those influences dont vanish the first time they kill somebody.

Like I said in my very first post, I dont care about their politics any more than I care about Cruzs politics, because the crimes were not political.
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byrone
02/16/18 11:14:46 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
They are still from far left areas and those influences dont vanish the first time they kill somebody.

But you have no concrete evidence that the gangsters of Chicago and Baltimore give a shit about politics. So you've made many posts without any point.
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Funbazooka
02/16/18 11:17:11 PM
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You guys have gone on quite a tangent. What's it supposed to relate back to?
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byrone
02/16/18 11:19:47 PM
#87:


Funbazooka posted...
You guys have gone on quite a tangent. What's it supposed to relate back to?

When "tennisdude818" declared the "gangsters who shoot each other in Chicago and Baltimore" to be democrats without any reason to believe so
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SomeonesAlt
02/16/18 11:23:18 PM
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This is my surprised face

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r4X0r
02/16/18 11:27:15 PM
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Has anyone proposed a gun control law that would have stopped this incident, yet? After the Las Vegas shooting the Democrats openly admitted that gun grabbing is their agenda and that it doesn't stop gun violence.

This shooter is facing seventeen life sentences on top of various other crimes. If your solution is "We need to make this type of thing MORE illegal!" you might want to sit back and re evaluate your political positions. Do you genuinely give a damn about public safety, or do you just not want people to have guns?

I mean, after a bad car wreck, how many of you go "Damn, that's terrible. WE HAVE TO BAN CARS!"
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 11:32:53 PM
#90:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
They are still from far left areas and those influences dont vanish the first time they kill somebody.

But you have no concrete evidence that the gangsters of Chicago and Baltimore give a shit about politics. So you've made many posts without any point.


We are talking about a large number of people, so the fact that they exist in far left strongholds is relevant.

But here you go...

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

The former chieftains, several of them ex-convicts, represented some of the most notorious gangs on the South and West Sides, including the Vice Lords, Gangster Disciples, Black Disciples, Cobras, Black P Stones, and Black Gangsters. Before the election, the gangs agreed to set aside decades-old rivalries and bloody vendettas to operate as a unified political force, which they called Black United Voters of Chicago. They realized that if they came together, they could get the politicians to come to them, explains Baskin.

The gang representatives were interested in electing aldermen sympathetic to their interests and those of their impoverished wards. As for the politicians, says Baskin, their interests essentially boiled down to getting elected or reelected. All of [the political hopefuls] were aware of who they were meeting with, he says. They didnt care. All they wanted to do was get the support.

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byrone
02/16/18 11:35:28 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Has anyone proposed a gun control law that would have stopped this incident, yet?

Who's talking about guns ITT?

r4X0r posted...
Democrats openly admitted that gun grabbing is their agenda and that it doesn't stop gun violence.

Where did democrats say they want to grab guns and that gun grabbing doesn't work?

r4X0r posted...
We need to make this type of thing MORE illegal!"

Who wants to make murder more illegal? They want to increase firearm regulation.

r4X0r posted...

I mean, after a bad car wreck, how many of you go "Damn, that's terrible. WE HAVE TO BAN CARS!"

Guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing. Do you think gun owners should need to carry a gun license and make people pass a test before obtaining a gun?
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byrone
02/16/18 11:38:17 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...

But here you go...

One example doesn't mean you can accurately say that gang members in Chicago are democrats.

What about Baltimore

And them supporting certain policies doesn't even necessarily make them democrats!
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Bloodychess
02/16/18 11:39:50 PM
#93:


you know people like TC were desperately hoping he would be
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byrone
02/16/18 11:40:51 PM
#94:


Bloodychess posted...
you know people like TC were desperately hoping he would be

People like you were desperately hoping he'd be a Clinton supporter. You can tell by the projection in your post.
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Bloodychess
02/16/18 11:42:01 PM
#95:


Nah, I was pissed it happened in the first place.

Go get banned again lmfao
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byrone
02/16/18 11:43:06 PM
#96:


Bloodychess posted...
Nah, I was pissed it happened in the first place.

Go get banned again lmfao

Yeah, so was everyone.

Your projection is very pathetic.

Also, who got banned?
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Funbazooka
02/16/18 11:43:29 PM
#97:


byrone posted...
Guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing.

Some people are fond of repeating this line but it's short-sighted and intentionally ignores how peaceful law-abiding citizens use them.

Just sayin'.
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tennisdude818
02/16/18 11:44:25 PM
#98:


byrone posted...
tennisdude818 posted...

But here you go...

One example doesn't mean you can accurately say that gang members in Chicago are democrats.

What about Baltimore

And them supporting certain policies doesn't even necessarily make them democrats!


That article covers more than just one example. Im done dealing with your mental gymnastics.
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Bloodychess
02/16/18 11:44:48 PM
#99:


Imagine what kind of garbage is happy to identify the political orientation of a mass shooter

Go shitpost somewhere else
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byrone
02/16/18 11:45:27 PM
#100:


Funbazooka posted...
byrone posted...
Guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing.

Some people are fond of repeating this line but it's short-sighted and intentionally ignores how peaceful law-abiding citizens use them.

Just sayin'.

I'm not saying people buy them to kill people. I said the purpose of their creation is to kill.

Enlighten me as to what they are created for?
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