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boxington
02/16/18 9:46:07 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
boxington posted...
s0nicfan posted...
boxington posted...
s0nicfan posted...
boxington posted...
Black Panther looks to be a higher quality and scale than the ones you've posted


Hopefully. That doesn't make it special, though. It just makes it good.

I think it's special in the sense that it's a so-called "black movie" with the same budget and marketing as any other


Bad Boys 2.

tbh, the only parts that I saw were outrageous or disgusting

I wonder if BP would get the same attention if it was rated R and not part of the MCU


Absolutely not. The MCU is the money making machine right now, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. The only reason people are calling BP a "moment" is because they think they'll be able to carve off a corner of Disney's machine to make their own stuff.

EDIT: But just to be clear, regardless of how good BB2 is, it had the same budget and marketing as any other AAA movie which was the key point.

sorry, I meant in relation to the buzz it's been getting from the media and prospective viewers
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Ivynn
02/16/18 9:46:42 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
boxington posted...
darkjedilink posted...
lolife67 posted...
It wasn't based around African-American/African culture.

Wait - do people think that Wakanda is a realistic portrayal of African culture?

idk if anyone believes that, but it is inspired by African cultures.

a futuristic/utoupian take.

Some of the people making the movie have openly said this is what Africa would be like if not for colonialism


Which is silly because the only reason Wakanda looks like the way it does and is advanced as it is is because of the vibranium deposits it sits on. Vibranium, a fictional metal. >_>
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s0nicfan
02/16/18 9:47:26 AM
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boxington posted...
s0nicfan posted...
boxington posted...
s0nicfan posted...
boxington posted...
s0nicfan posted...
boxington posted...
Black Panther looks to be a higher quality and scale than the ones you've posted


Hopefully. That doesn't make it special, though. It just makes it good.

I think it's special in the sense that it's a so-called "black movie" with the same budget and marketing as any other


Bad Boys 2.

tbh, the only parts that I saw were outrageous or disgusting

I wonder if BP would get the same attention if it was rated R and not part of the MCU


Absolutely not. The MCU is the money making machine right now, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. The only reason people are calling BP a "moment" is because they think they'll be able to carve off a corner of Disney's machine to make their own stuff.

EDIT: But just to be clear, regardless of how good BB2 is, it had the same budget and marketing as any other AAA movie which was the key point.

sorry, I meant in relation to the buzz it's been getting from the media and prospective viewers


I think being rated R wouldn't impact the buzz, given Deadpool is a thing. If anything, the narrative would chance slightly to emphasizing how important it is that the movie is rated R because you don't want to censor the struggle of his people.
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boxington
02/16/18 9:47:32 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
boxington posted...
darkjedilink posted...
lolife67 posted...
It wasn't based around African-American/African culture.

Wait - do people think that Wakanda is a realistic portrayal of African culture?

idk if anyone believes that, but it is inspired by African cultures.

a futuristic/utoupian take.

Some of the people making the movie have openly said this is what Africa would be like if not for colonialism

that's funny, tbh; no country in the world is close to being at that level of development, whether it was colonized or the colonizer
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boxington
02/16/18 9:48:16 AM
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truu
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Gamer99z
02/16/18 9:48:30 AM
#56:


The Admiral posted...
Identity politics and the myth of racial oppression weren't a thing in the pre-Obama era. People are much more obsessed about race in 2018 than they were in the 1990s, and it's a giant step back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 9:48:31 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
People were claiming white people can't dress as minorities for Halloween in the '90's?


Yes, they were. I can find proof if you'd like.

The Admiral posted...
Racism was never gone and probably never will be gone. The problem is systematic racism -- the ability for one racial group to collectively hold another racial group down. That does not exist in 2018 and hasn't for quite some time.


Buddy you once argued that since the CRA was passed in the 60s that there has been zero systematic racism in the country and use this argument to downplay any issues that racial minorities have had. And it doesn't matter if people cite you examples or argue with you, you insist they're wrong and you're right and that's the end of the discussion. So I'd much rather point out that your views on racial tolerance are entirely skewed because you live in a bubble.
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hockeybub89
02/16/18 9:49:50 AM
#58:


s0nicfan posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
"Black people already got a movie. Why aren't they satisfied?"


Take a step back, stop huffing your own farts, and realize that nobody is saying, thinking, or desiring that.

Ben Shapiro did
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The Admiral
02/16/18 9:52:18 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Buddy you once argued that since the CRA was passed in the 60s that there has been zero systematic racism in the country and use this argument to downplay any issues that racial minorities have had. And it doesn't matter if people cite you examples or argue with you, you insist they're wrong and you're right and that's the end of the discussion. So I'd much rather point out that your views on racial tolerance are entirely skewed because you live in a bubble.


You're moving the goalposts slightly now. The discussion is not whether systematic racism immediately ended in 1965 (something I never claimed), it's about whether it's still a major factor in 2018 and is still the primary factor responsible for the racial disparities between groups now. And while I'm sure you can find evidence of some bank discriminating against black people or some racist cops in some police precinct, you have no chance of finding data that show there is collective oppression keeping the entire group from progressing.
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FursonaNonGrata
02/16/18 9:55:10 AM
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The Admiral posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
The Admiral posted...
Identity politics and the myth of racial oppression weren't a thing in the pre-Obama era. People are much more obsessed about race in 2018 than they were in the 1990s, and it's a giant step back.


I don't understand how the racial oppression narrative became so much stronger in the Obama era. Shouldn't the election of the first black president have definitively ended it? If a black man can be president of the United States then there is nothing holding them back anymore.


It became stronger because systematic racial oppression was almost impossible to still justify after a black president was elected, and yet racial disparities didn't really disappear. If anything, they grew wider after the recession of 2009. Instead of being honest and accepting responsibility for the factors that were keeping that disparity in place, it was easier to fabricate a racial oppression boogeymanand get young people fixated on identity politics. This is ironically hurting the very people these progressives like to say they care about.


This is textbook white nationalist horse shit
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hockeybub89
02/16/18 9:57:33 AM
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The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Buddy you once argued that since the CRA was passed in the 60s that there has been zero systematic racism in the country and use this argument to downplay any issues that racial minorities have had. And it doesn't matter if people cite you examples or argue with you, you insist they're wrong and you're right and that's the end of the discussion. So I'd much rather point out that your views on racial tolerance are entirely skewed because you live in a bubble.


You're moving the goalposts slightly now. The discussion is not whether systematic racism immediately ended in 1965 (something I never claimed), it's about whether it's still a major factor in 2018 and is still the primary factor responsible for the racial disparities between groups now. And while I'm sure you can find evidence of some bank discriminating against black people or some racist cops in some police precinct, you have no chance of finding data that show there is collective oppression keeping the entire group from progressing.

We argue as a society every time a minority or a woman is in an action movie or a video game. I don't want to hear shot about how beyond caring we are in 2018. Why are you making a current year argument anyway? You hate that
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Kitt
02/16/18 10:01:18 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
"Black Panther is the first black superhero movie!"Hancock?"Black Panther is the first black superhero comic book movie"Spawn? Steel?"Black Panther is the first black superhero marvel comic book movie"Blade?"Black Panther is better than Meteor Man"Yea... I think we can all agree on that.

There are two ways that I think people mean when they say that:

1. It's the first MCU film with a black person in the lead role.

2. It's the first superhero film with a largely black ensemble cast and setting what with Wakanda being a huge aspect and all.
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EndOfDiscOne
02/16/18 10:04:27 AM
#63:


boxington posted...
it's not just Black Panther, but also Wakanda


Yep, there are a lot of African Americans who can trace their heritage back to Wakanda, so this film is important to them and all of us.
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boxington
02/16/18 10:06:29 AM
#64:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
boxington posted...
it's not just Black Panther, but also Wakanda


Yep, there are a lot of African Americans who can trace their heritage back to Wakanda, so this film is important to them and all of us.

when did I say that, but there's something to say about people seeing a technologically advanced African nation, fictional or not
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Jiggy101011
02/16/18 10:15:28 AM
#65:


The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Buddy you once argued that since the CRA was passed in the 60s that there has been zero systematic racism in the country and use this argument to downplay any issues that racial minorities have had. And it doesn't matter if people cite you examples or argue with you, you insist they're wrong and you're right and that's the end of the discussion. So I'd much rather point out that your views on racial tolerance are entirely skewed because you live in a bubble.


You're moving the goalposts slightly now. The discussion is not whether systematic racism immediately ended in 1965 (something I never claimed), it's about whether it's still a major factor in 2018 and is still the primary factor responsible for the racial disparities between groups now. And while I'm sure you can find evidence of some bank discriminating against black people or some racist cops in some police precinct, you have no chance of finding data that show there is collective oppression keeping the entire group from progressing.


A white guy saying racism doesnt exist in 2018. Oi Gamefaqs, never change.
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hollow_shrine
02/16/18 10:16:30 AM
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Because who the fuck is Blade? What about the name and lore of Blade directly references the black empowerment movement or the civil rights movement or the cultural 'pivot to Africa' that took place in the wake of the Civil Rights movement when Black America was trying to rediscover a sense of cultural identity that could exist independent of the white gaze.

Blade can't do any of that, and wasn't written to. Black Panther on the other hand was Marvel making a couching an attempt at pandering to black people, as their company's stating solidarity with the struggle of that time. While their success with this has been inconsistent, at least the message has been a bit more consistent. In this world of white superheroes, whose to say a black nation given the same opportunity for cultural enrichment free couldn't rise to the same heights? And in that fantastic setting, they did.
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Ivynn
02/16/18 10:21:10 AM
#67:


hollow_shrine posted...
Because who the fuck is Blade? What about the name and lore of Blade directly references the black empowerment movement or the civil rights movement or the cultural 'pivot to Africa' that took place in the wake of the Civil Rights movement when Black America was trying to rediscover a sense of cultural identity that could exist independent of the white gaze.


Black Panther was created months before the political party was. He has nothing to do with the actual Black Panther Party.

IIRC, Lee and Kirby named him after an all-black WWII squadron that called themselves "the Black Panthers."
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Ilishe
02/16/18 10:22:16 AM
#68:


s0nicfan posted...
"Black Panther is the first black superhero movie!"
Hancock?
"Black Panther is the first black superhero comic book movie"
Spawn? Steel?
"Black Panther is the first black superhero marvel comic book movie"
Blade?

"Black Panther is better than Meteor Man"
Yea... I think we can all agree on that.


Fuck you Meteor Man is the GOAT
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hollow_shrine
02/16/18 10:29:16 AM
#69:


Ivynn posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Because who the fuck is Blade? What about the name and lore of Blade directly references the black empowerment movement or the civil rights movement or the cultural 'pivot to Africa' that took place in the wake of the Civil Rights movement when Black America was trying to rediscover a sense of cultural identity that could exist independent of the white gaze.


Black Panther was created months before the political party was. He has nothing to do with the actual Black Panther Party.

IIRC, Lee and Kirby named him after an all-black WWII squadron that called themselves "the Black Panthers."

I didn't know that. I know there was a small window of time when the political party appeared that they changed the name of the character to avoid being associated with the party, and then changed it back because it didn't play well on the page.
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Photachyon2
02/16/18 10:56:09 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
"Black people already got a movie. Why aren't they satisfied?"
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