Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 3: The Maddening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Oldbag's total number of lines is amazing

So is the total number of lines in the last investigation and trial day

Honestly, the main reason trial day 1's total line count is so low is because of how much Oldbag talks. She almost has as many lines as Phoenix! No one else gets much of a word in edgewise!
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Oh right, forgot to post the overall total so far!

Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 2223
2. Miles Edgeworth - 1752
3. Mia Fey - 1013
4. The Judge - 793
5. Maya Fey - 565
6. Franziska von Karma - 519
7. Dick Gumshoe - 452
8. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
9. Calisto Yew - 256
10. Tyrell Badd - 242
11. The Judge's Brother - 221
12. Winston Payne - 209
13. Wendy Oldbag - 209
14. Redd White - 162
15. Marvin Grossberg - 150
16. Cody Hackins - 134
17. Godot - 112
18. April May - 104
19. Kay Faraday - 99
20. Penny Nichols - 85
21. Will Powers - 82
22. Terry Fawles - 74
23. Manfred von Karma - 68
24. Frank Sahwit - 58
25. Sal Manella - 57
26. Other - 57
27. The Bellboy - 52
28. Larry Butz - 29
29. Shi-Long Lang - 3

Overall total lines - 10231
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Edgeworth: So, you've come to laugh at the fallen attorney? Then laugh, laugh!
Phoenix: Edgeworth, we don't have so much free time we can spend it coming down here to laugh at you.
Edgeworth: ...Yes, you do.
Phoenix: (Actually, he's right.)
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aa1 so good!
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1-4 is a pure Maya case too. gg Edgeworth
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I think Edgeworth will probably get a lot of lines here due to being the defendant, although he doesn't do anything during the trial days until the very end.

I'm very curious to see how high von Karma goes here.
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All right, finished with 1-4 investigation day 1. Gumshoe already has more lines than he had in all of 1-3, so I'm guessing that case was just a weird exception. Phoenix/Maya still combined for like 65% of the lines though.
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in fairness, 1-4 has an unusually motivated gumshoe, since he has personal stakes in it
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Well, I think doing this made me realize how little Gumshoe actually is around during 1-3. He doesn't testify at all. He gives a quick overview of the case at the beginning of the first trial day, and that's it as far as the trial goes. He doesn't show up at all during investigation day 2 except to coincidentally overhear Cody's statement about seeing the moment of the killing and take him away. Then he has good timing in your favor at the end of the third day to save everyone from Vasquez. You only really talk to him a couple times during the whole investigation otherwise, and they're pretty short interactions.

You had to talk to Gumshoe on like three different occasions on investigation day 1 alone in 1-4.
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i wonder if the series is capable of rediscovering that form. i love a lot of the new cases, too, but AA1 was just as good with so much less game.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i wonder if the series is capable of rediscovering that form.

No.

Even Takumi can't do it anymore.
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Gumshoe really only has like 3 or 4 cases in the OT where he's notable.

1-4
1-5
2-4
3-3

he's more friendly to you and will show up occasionally but he's not going to get a lot of screen time, even in 3-5.
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though, I think he's a partner in 3-5? that probably means more than his fading plot relevance.
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Yeah, 3-5 will probably be the OT case where he has the most lines because he's partnered with Edgeworth for nearly all of day 1, and he even has a segment with Phoenix, too, on day 2.
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3-5 edgeworth/gumshoe is so incredibly good

it's shocking how bad AAI's pairing of the two is
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SeabassDebeste posted...

3-5 edgeworth/gumshoe is so incredibly good

it's shocking how bad AAI's pairing of the two is

they apparently stopped knowing how to write Gumshoe after T&T

so it's probably all well and good he was barely ever the partner in AAI
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yeah that's what i was getting at

what little of edgey/gumshoe together we did get in aai was really bad

kay is nice, but she shouldn't have been as necessary as she was
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I don't think Kay was that great in AAI1! Somehow they did a great job with Franziska as the partner in E1-4. Might be the game's biggest achievement!
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kay's great if only because she isn't AAI gumshoe
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Not really sure what the problem with AAI Gumshoe is? I certainly enjoyed his role in E1-4 which helps explains why he's got Edgeworth's back despite the latter generally being a jerk to him.

That or I'm not as high on him in the OT, I dunno. The first game is the only game that made me really care about him. I was all ready to embrace Fulbright as my favourite detective even before you-know-what.
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E1-4 Gumshoe is the absolute worst version of Gumshoe, actually, even more than 4-0. It's also a version of Edgeworth that shouldn't even exist.
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Trial day 1 complete! Pretty even distribution between the Judge, von Karma, and Lotta there.
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Done with 1-4 investigation day 2! Didn't realize that you don't talk to Edgeworth at all here. By the way, I decided to give the Chief of the Detectives his own spot instead of lumping him together with "Other" since he's at least a unique character, even if he doesn't have a sprite.

also Maya has passed Mia for 3rd place overall
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By the way, for some reason I thought the whole, "Don't forget DL-6!" thing was the end of investigation day 2. I totally forgot that they actually go into the Records Room and look up the file on DL-6 at the end. I also love that Yanni Yogi is the very first person to have any mandatory storyline reaction to the Attorney's Badge, and he's still one of the only ones in the series to do so.
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"Know this, Mr. Wright. The moment you run out of explanations is the moment you lose."

and he never does

Phoenix is the best
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it's a few days early, but i'll be out of town and probably forget, so happy birthday in advance!
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Oh, thanks!
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I'm playing through 1-4 Investigation Day 3 and something occurred to me. Grossberg recognizes the handwriting of the letter as von Karma's, but why doesn't Edgeworth? Surely he's seen stuff written by him before.
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further fuel for the edgeworth-is-faceblind conspiracy theory

doesn't seem to process faces or names (or body types) well, makes sense that he wouldn't recognize handwriting, either

it does seem like a massive oversight on the writers' part, but at that point it's quite obvious to the players who wrote the letter, so it's easy not to think about why edgeworth doesn't know it
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Well yeah, I've played this case a bunch of times and this is the first time this has occurred to me. I don't think it's a huge deal or anything. Just a weird blind spot.
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In fairness it is consistent with Edgeworth's characterization as a guy who doesn't seem to recognize any personal!
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Well, Edgeworth does say in 1-5 that he places very little faith in his own memory. Maybe the reason for that is because his memory isn't good...!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

it's a few days early, but i'll be out of town and probably forget, so happy birthday in advance!

Oh yeah, this is true of me as well

Happy early birthday Leon!
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Thanks again.

of course it looks like I'll be spending my birthday playing 1-5 so this could be a down year for me
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I'm sorry.

And some people are good at recognising other people's handwriting, while others are not. This doesn't need any crazy theories to explain!
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Total lines by segment:

3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
E1-4 Middle - 1030
E1-4 End - 979
E1-4 Beginning - 926
1-4 Investigation Day 2 - 729
1-4 Investigation Day 1 - 700
1-3 Investigation Day 2 - 661
1-4 Trial Day 3 - 626
1-2 Trial Day 1 - 524
1-4 Trial Day 1 - 519
1-3 Trial Day 2 - 517
1-4 Investigation Day 3 - 478
1-3 Investigation Day 1 - 455
1-2 Trial Day 2 - 447
1-4 Trial Day 2 - 414
1-3 Trial Day 3 - 403
1-2 Investigation Day 1 - 402
1-2 Investigation Day 2 - 400
1-1 - 389
1-3 Trial Day 1 - 380
1-3 Investigation Day 3 - 325

Total lines by case:

1-4 - 3466
E1-4 - 2935
1-3 - 2741
1-2 - 1773
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

PW1 - 8369
AAI1 - 2935
T&T - 2392

Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)

Phoenix Wright - 1211 (34.94%)
Maya Fey - 705 (20.34%)
The Judge - 298 (8.60%)
Manfred von Karma - 248 (7.16%)
Miles Edgeworth - 212 (6.12%)
Lotta Hart - 192 (5.54%)
Dick Gumshoe - 179 (5.16%)
Larry Butz - 153 (4.41%)
Yanni Yogi - 98 (2.83%)
Marvin Grossberg - 84 (2.42%)
Other - 37
Polly - 20
Chief of Detectives - 8
Missile - 6
Gregory Edgeworth - 5
Mia Fey - 4
Winston Payne - 1
The Bellboy - 1
Wendy Oldbag - 1
Will Powers - 1
Penny Nichols - 1
Cody Hackins - 1

Total lines by character per game:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

1. Phoenix Wright - 3275
2. Maya Fey - 1270
3. The Judge - 720
4. Miles Edgeworth - 472
5. Dick Gumshoe - 330
6. Manfred von Karma - 248
7. Wendy Oldbag - 210
8. Lotta Hart - 192
9. Mia Fey - 189
10. Larry Butz - 182
11. Redd White - 162
12. Marvin Grossberg - 158
13. Dee Vasquez - 148
14. Cody Hackins - 135
15. April May - 104
16. Yanni Yogi - 98
17. Penny Nichols - 86
18. Will Powers - 83
19. Frank Sahwit - 58
20. Sal Manella - 57
21. Other - 57
22. The Bellboy - 52
23. Winston Payne - 45
24. Polly - 20
25. Chief of Detectives - 8
26. Missile - 6
27. Gregory Edgeworth - 5
28. Jack Hammer - 2

Most lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117
Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59%
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94%
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%

Testimonies by character:

1. Dahlia Hawthorne - 48 lines/8 testimonies
2. Dick Gumshoe - 35 lines/6 testimonies
3. Wendy Oldbag - 29 lines/5 testimonies
4. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
5. Redd White - 29 lines/4 testimonies
6. Lotta Hart - 22 lines/4 testimonies
7. Cody Hackins - 21 lines/3 testimonies
8. Frank Sahwit - 20 lines/3 testimonies
9. Phoenix Wright - 17 lines/3 testimonies
10. Dee Vasquez - 16 lines/2 testimonies
11. April May - 14 lines/2 testimonies
12. Yanni Yogi - 13 lines/2 testimonies
13. Larry Butz - 12 lines/2 testimonies
14. Sal Manella - 12 lines/2 testimonies
15. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
16. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
17. Miles Edgeworth - 8 lines/1 testimony
18. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
19. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony
20. The Bellboy - 5 lines/1 testimony
21. Polly - 3 lines/1 testimony
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Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 3434
2. Miles Edgeworth - 1964
3. Maya Fey - 1270
4. The Judge - 1091
5. Mia Fey - 1017
6. Dick Gumshoe - 631
7. Franziska von Karma - 519
8. Manfred von Karma - 316
9. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
10. Calisto Yew - 256
11. Tyrell Badd - 242
12. Marvin Grossberg - 234
12. The Judge's Brother - 221
13. Winston Payne - 210
14. Wendy Oldbag - 210
15. Lotta Hart - 192
16. Larry Butz - 182
17. Redd White - 162
18. Dee Vasquez - 148
19. Cody Hackins - 135
20. Godot - 112
21. April May - 104
22. Kay Faraday - 99
23. Other - 94
24. Penny Nichols - 86
25. Will Powers - 83
26. Terry Fawles - 74
27. Frank Sahwit - 58
28. Sal Manella - 57
29. The Bellboy - 53
30. Polly - 20
31. Chief of Detectives - 8
32. Gregory Edgeworth - 5
33. Shi-Long Lang - 3

Overall total lines - 13697

Next up is the first real challenge.
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Phoenix's characterization in 1-5 is weird sometimes. I don't understand this whole "I don't want to work" thing he goes through at the beginning.
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also I like the implication that Lana's backward facing sprite in the Detention Center means she's sitting in the chair on her knees facing the wrong way
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I still say 1-5 or 6-5 won't be as bad as trying to keep up with E2-5
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AAI2 in general is going to be a nightmare since I'll be playing it on an emulator, so I'll be constantly having to flip back and forth between the emulator and the spreadsheet.

maybe I ought to look into this whole "two monitors" thing
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LeonhartFour posted...

Phoenix's characterization in 1-5 is weird sometimes. I don't understand this whole "I don't want to work" thing he goes through at the beginning.

i mean it's a case whose existence is a retcon so naturally it'll feel off
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Phoenix only works like 4 weeks a year. He works really, really hard for those 4 weeks but it's not really strange that he doesn't want to work.
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I sometimes wonder how much of your issue is that you know it's a retcon. like would you call it out if you didn't know it was added after the fact

impossible to answer, of course

you do aai2 on an emulator? huh. I need to get you up to speed if you know what I mean. I wonder if this has impacted your enjoyment now that I think about it - I know you've mentioned being a little lower on it than others. hmm.
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I always thought Phoenix "didn't want to work" at the beginning of 1-5 because he was so bummed about Maya being gone
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yeah me too

on the other hand - 2 whole cases
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_Harmonica_ posted...

I always thought Phoenix "didn't want to work" at the beginning of 1-5 because he was so bummed about Maya being gone

I mean it's clear that's what he means

but he talks about turning down cases and that doesn't really seem like him especially since the guy talks about begging to work just to pay the bills in PW1

makes me wonder how much Edgeworth paid him for his defense

transcience posted...

I sometimes wonder how much of your issue is that you know it's a retcon. like would you call it out if you didn't know it was added after the fact

impossible to answer, of course

I don't know that it's totally impossible to answer since I wager most of us didn't realize 1-5 wasn't originally part of the canon our first time through. 1-5 has always felt a little "off" to me, even before I knew that.

transcience posted...

you do aai2 on an emulator? huh. I need to get you up to speed if you know what I mean. I wonder if this has impacted your enjoyment now that I think about it - I know you've mentioned being a little lower on it than others. hmm.

Eh, I doubt it's had that much of an effect.
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Gumshoe: "We've never had a Chief Prosecutor murder anyone before!"

I enjoy the retroactive irony of that line now
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I thought 1-5 was seriously off on my first playthrough of it, before I knew anything about it being a retcon. It completely ruins the narrative flow of the first game. I sometimes wonder if I'd think more fondly on the case if it had been advertised as a "special bonus case". Probably not since I'd still hate Lana and Gant I'm sure.
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Marshall: "I heard a phone ring just now...one of those newfangled ring-tunes."

I love that line

it dates this case so hard despite the fact that it was only supposed to take place last year

speaking of which, 2-4 "happens" in about 2 weeks
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